Board 8 > Undertale losing was ridiciulous.

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:23:31 PM
#154:


Hbthebattle posted...
That list literally boils down to

...ok so

XIII_rocks posted...
This is the shit I'm talking about
Wtf is this? Is there no room for like nuance or difference?


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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:27:06 PM
#156:


NFUN posted...
Undertale is very esoteric yes. Truly inscrutable

I mean
It was a cult indie game released literally weeks before the contest started with a small but passionate fanbase and not much mass appeal. The average person sees Mario in a contest and they're like "oh, Mario". They see Undertale and at that time you'd be more likely to say "wtf is Undertale".

Am I using the word wrong?

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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 5:29:07 PM
#157:


XIII_rocks posted...

This is the shit I'm talking about
Wtf is this? Is there no room for like nuance or difference?

Dude, you said on discord that Undertale's fans were liars and that implying that Board 8 screencaps whining about the game helped push the rally further was "victim blaming". Don't try to take the moral high road in talking about nuance.
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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:29:45 PM
#158:


I simply do not have the language available to me to make you guys see the difference between me getting a hundred extra votes for Tifa against Luigi if that versus a hundred thousand people flooding us from the LoL Sub or Undertale tumblr.

I don't have the words to do it if you aren't understanding it already. I guess we'll just have to move on. There's a fundamental part of the english language that you people just do not seem to grasp.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 5:31:52 PM
#159:


So its a scale thing? So David Hayter rallying for the contest was bad? Thats your claim?

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:32:16 PM
#161:


by the way, my Tifa rally backfired on me after that when she beat Sephiroth, so it's not just "rallies that help me"

If Hentai reddit had flooded GameFAQs and made Tifa win the contest with ease, I'd still be apologizing for it

because I see the nuance here.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:33:11 PM
#162:


SantaRPidgey posted...
So its a scale thing? So David Hayter rallying for the contest was bad? Thats your claim?

Hayter brought in a thousand votes at most and was OVERWHELMED by Draven's rally with ease. How are you making arguments like this in good faith? It has to be trolling.

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:33:24 PM
#163:


Hbthebattle posted...
Dude, you said on discord that Undertale's fans were liars and that implying that Board 8 screencaps whining about the game helped push the rally further was "victim blaming". Don't try to take the moral high road in talking about nuance.

I laid out a multitude of reasons and example and you dismissed it with a post that LITERALLY STARTED with "that list boils down to". You are absolutely anti-nuance here.

You have no interest in discussion, just persecuting and accusing people who weren't in love with Undertale's rally. That is the stall you have set out here. It's like a weird type of tone policing, where everyone not in favour of this rally you enjoyed must be persecuted and not discussed with in real terms.

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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 5:35:01 PM
#165:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I simply do not have the language available to me to make you guys see the difference between me getting a hundred extra votes for Tifa against Luigi if that versus a hundred thousand people flooding us from the LoL Sub or Undertale tumblr.

I don't have the words to do it if you aren't understanding it already. I guess we'll just have to move on. There's a fundamental part of the english language that you people just do not seem to grasp.

The way I see it, you RUINED the contest by summoning a SWARM of PORN-THIRSTY RALLIERS to DESTROY X's chance to beat Tifa and thus by extrapolation his chance to beat Sephiroth and be crowned a Noble Nine breaker. Your rallying absolutely drastically affected the contest's path, but you're ok with this compared to Undertale doing it because you like Tifa and hate Undertale. That's all it boils down to.
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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:35:06 PM
#166:


And I don't see how you guys aren't understanding how similar Draven and Undertale were. THOSE are the only rallies that have been met with this much backlash. It's not hard to see the comparison.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 5:35:34 PM
#167:


ExThaNemesis posted...


Hayter brought in a thousand votes at most and was OVERWHELMED by Draven's rally with ease.

So if Hayter's rally had brought in enough votes to dwarf draven, then it would have been bad?

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:36:39 PM
#168:


SantaRPidgey posted...
So if Hayter's rally had brought in enough votes to dwarf draven, then it would have been bad?

Hayter wasn't turning a character that loses to Chie Satonaka into an unbeatable God, and Hayter's rally was only brought about to try and combat that god-tier rally.

Again, how are you this ignorant?

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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 5:38:16 PM
#170:


XIII_rocks posted...

You have no interest in discussion, just persecuting and accusing people who weren't in love with Undertale's rally. That is the stall you have set out here. It's like a weird type of tone policing, where everyone not in favour of this rally you enjoyed must be persecuted and not discussed with in real terms.

How big of victim complex around this do you have? Pointing out that you have a double standard with rallies is not persecution in any way, shape, or form.
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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:38:38 PM
#171:


Hbthebattle posted...
The way I see it, you RUINED the contest by summoning a SWARM of PORN-THIRSTY RALLIERS to DESTROY X's chance to beat Tifa and thus by extrapolation his chance to beat Sephiroth and be crowned a Noble Nine breaker. Your rallying absolutely drastically affected the contest's path, but you're ok with this compared to Undertale doing it because you like Tifa and hate Undertale. That's all it boils down to.

again, if Tifa had decimated X/Luigi and won the entire contest I'd be apologizing for ruining it by getting the hentai ralliers.

But my rallying, which I find acceptable in one hundred percent of cases, nudged one character just over the finish line against another and didn't cause a complete burial and an influx of obnoxious users at the same time.

The difference is pretty clear.

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:38:51 PM
#173:


SantaRPidgey posted...
So its a scale thing? So David Hayter rallying for the contest was bad? Thats your claim?

My post covered that already.

Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is (Snake is a well-established gaming icon), didn't turn the board into any more of a toxic soup than Draven's rally already had done, and didn't actually win. Also Snake didn't have the Draven downtime stink around him.

And also, yes, Snake is heavily favoured on the board. It's not not a factor, it'sjust not the only factor.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:39:18 PM
#174:


Hbthebattle posted...
How big of victim complex around this do you have? Pointing out that you have a double standard with rallies is not persecution in any way, shape, or form.

He doesn't have a double standard, and he is clearly getting frustrated with your refusal (or inability, more likely) to argue about this intelligently.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:40:03 PM
#175:


XIII_rocks posted...


My post covered that already.

Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is (Snake is a well-established gaming icon), didn't turn the board into any more of a toxic soup than Draven's rally already had done, and didn't actually win. Also Snake didn't have the Draven downtime stink around him.

And also, yes, Snake is heavily favoured on the board. It's not not a factor, it'sjust not the only factor.

Don't leave out the most important thing that Hayter was only recruited to rally BECAUSE of what Draven was doing.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:40:31 PM
#177:


UltimaterializerX posted...
No rally was more hated than Mario in the 2002-2003 era.

and... lo' and behold. HE PAID FOR IT IN 2004!

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DoomTheGyarados
04/03/20 5:40:47 PM
#178:


Hb is right on the merits but I understand the feels of the other side.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:41:06 PM
#179:


yes yes Ulti we all believe your face turn this time, truly.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:41:59 PM
#180:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Hb is right on the merits but I understand the feels of the other side.

He's not correct about anything, actually.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 5:42:28 PM
#181:


I'm just trying to understand the actual borders of what upsets you about rallies. Maybe its because L-block was my first contest but I just don't see how rallies are a totally normal, predictable even, feature of the contest.

Personally to me, there's no world in which an effective David Hayter rally wouldnt be totally rad. Lol and undertale were interesting lighting in a bottle situations to look at in terms of what makes a rally effective and possible, a situation that becomes both more likely and less likely every year due to influencers with high followers and gamefaqs contests not mattering to anyone

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Thenenen
04/03/20 5:43:11 PM
#183:


ExThaNemesis posted...
and... lo' and behold. HE PAID FOR IT IN 2004!
Yeah, he paid for it in the contest specifically built so that Mario would take a dive to an inflated Crono. Such payback, many deserved.

And then Mario shut all you people back up the next year.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:43:32 PM
#184:


SantaRPidgey posted...
I'm just trying to understand the actual borders of what upsets you about rallies. Maybe its because L-block was my first contest but I just don't see how rallies are a totally normal, predictable even, feature of the contest.

No you aren't, because if you were actually in good faith trying to understand the parameters, they've all been laid out for you over and over and over and over

Like, over the course of years we've laid this out for you how are you not getting it

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Hbthebattle
04/03/20 5:43:59 PM
#185:


XIII_rocks posted...


My post covered that already.

Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is (Snake is a well-established gaming icon), didn't turn the board into any more of a toxic soup than Draven's rally already had done, and didn't actually win. Also Snake didn't have the Draven downtime stink around him.

And also, yes, Snake is heavily favoured on the board. It's not not a factor, it'sjust not the only factor.

So, essentially: Snake rallying is ok because I like Snake and he's already popular. You're excluding characters you don't like or care about from acceptably rallying, while giving a free pass to those who do.
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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:44:07 PM
#186:


Thenenen posted...
And then Mario shut all you people back up the next year.

He shut me up? Sorry I picked him to beat Crono and Samus in 05, kid.

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NFUN
04/03/20 5:44:08 PM
#187:


XIII_rocks posted...


I mean
It was a cult indie game released literally weeks before the contest started with a small but passionate fanbase and not much mass appeal. The average person sees Mario in a contest and they're like "oh, Mario". They see Undertale and at that time you'd be more likely to say "wtf is Undertale".

Am I using the word wrong?

Entirely.
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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 5:44:24 PM
#189:


XIII_rocks posted...
Snake isn't exclusionary like Draven is

Ok so this feels like the crutch on which your argument leans pretty heavily on which is "Draven doesn't really have the 90s kid appeal" despite the fact he is from one of the most popular gaming franchises on the planet

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:44:42 PM
#190:




Hbthebattle posted...
How big of victim complex around this do you have? Pointing out that you have a double standard with rallies is not persecution in any way, shape, or form.

But you're clearly more interested in attacking people who are against it, branding them as hypocrites, than actual discussion. That became clear when you chose to "boil down" what I said.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:44:52 PM
#191:


Hbthebattle posted...
So, essentially: Snake rallying is ok because I like Snake and he's already popular. You're excluding characters you don't like or care about from acceptably rallying, while giving a free pass to those who do.

What part of "it's not the only factor" was hard for you to understand. Maybe I can help you learn how to read here.

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SantaRPidgey
04/03/20 5:45:21 PM
#192:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Like, over the course of years we've laid this out for you how are you not getting it

Over the course of years I've read all your arguments and found them lacking.

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Thenenen
04/03/20 5:45:34 PM
#193:


Since when was MGS not a cancerous fanbase?

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:46:00 PM
#194:


Our site's traffic was nuked long ago and no rally was ever gonna save it, Ulti.

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DoomTheGyarados
04/03/20 5:46:02 PM
#196:


I remember one time when I said xiii and extha were bad at pokemon battling and they flipped out on me. Dont know why I remember that it must be 9 years now.

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XIII_rocks
04/03/20 5:46:59 PM
#197:


Hbthebattle posted...
So, essentially: Snake rallying is ok because I like Snake and he's already popular.

Holy fuck.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:47:22 PM
#198:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Over the course of years I've read all your arguments and found them lacking.

I really can't do much for you then if you can't see the difference between us getting a Hayter retweet during a match and the Tumblr/Reddit swarms that overwhelmed entire contests.

Your ability to comprehend things is just too underdeveloped for me to help you further. Seek help.

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TheRock1525
04/03/20 5:47:57 PM
#199:


A rally is a rally is a rally.

Why are we having 100+ posts determining which rallies are okay and which are bad?

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:48:18 PM
#200:


square up on Sw/Sh anytime Chris!

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Thenenen
04/03/20 5:48:25 PM
#201:


TheRock1525 posted...
A rally is a rally is a rally.

Why are we having 100+ posts determining which rallies are okay and which are bad?
Because anti-rallies ruined my bracket.

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ExThaNemesis
04/03/20 5:49:05 PM
#202:


UltimaterializerX posted...
If Cuphead catches a bandwagon and wins this contest, is that bad?

If Cuphead goes from losing its first match to a bottom feeder to suddenly getting more votes ITSELF than any of the previous matches had COMBINED, I would probably be pretty disgusted.

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snake_5036
04/03/20 5:49:37 PM
#203:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I don't see how you guys aren't understanding how similar Draven and Undertale were.
One of them had a fanbase come in to make a meme joke character win and made this board insufferable to be on while insulting everyone and the other was tracexcalibur and a few other accounts that are legitimately big fans of Undertale bringing attention to the poll, then parts of this board, and most especially you, started to be lame and whiny about it (and that's an extremely nice way of putting it) which kickstarted the fanbase coming over here to rightfully mock y'all for being assholes.

If only you weren't so heavily anti-big rallies to the point that you start to insult genuine fans for voting for something they enjoy, Undertale wouldn't have gotten the support of the entire internet against you for laughs. \_()_/

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