Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 289: You Down to Invoke P? Yeah You Know Me!

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Corrik7 posted...

This is another example of you guys trying to find something so stupid to argue about that is literally not real when you could argue about what is in front of you.

Spoiler: Nothing is accomplished by either
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The extra context doesn't change anything

He's making an aside to brag about banging models and then goes back to talking about the actual coronavirus models.

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Wanglicious posted...

significantly longer clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2ArJSKXyM

yeah... no, he wasn't making that joke.
i mean personally i wish he was but he pretty clearly wasn't making a reference to banging chicks there, he was just talking normally, no change in expression or mannerism to indicate a joke like he does when he's making one. this one's actually one of those cases where media's making the innuendo he never meant.

Is there actually any media making the innuendo yet?

Not that they wont, but isnt it just people on Twitter?
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*Person literally blasts what Trump says in Press Conference earlier.*

*People in outrage over dumb take of Trump*

*Person who literally blasted Trump earlier says that is a dumb take*

*People act like person is "gaslighting" them and "not worth listening to"*

Like... You guys are something else.


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Corrik7 posted...

Okay. Sorry if someone wouldn't entertain your clearly wrong notion. Live in lala land. Lol.

i'd rather live in lala land than "i'm so blinded by trump love that i can't even imagine that someone would interpret a comment he made negatively" land

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The extra context doesn't change anything

He's making an aside to brag about banging models and then goes back to talking about the actual coronavirus models.

It is just what you want to believe at this point.

It is clear as day he wasn't referring to what you are saying and there is an outright easy to see logical explanation that makes sense to explain what he is saying if you couldn't naturally grasp it.

So, that is on you I guess.

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Corrik7 posted...

The clip is cut off right there for a reason dude.

Watching the longer clip Wang posted changes nothing about the context
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HarshRapDebater posted...

i'd rather live in lala land than "i'm so blinded by trump love that i can't even imagine that someone would interpret a comment he made negatively" land

Corrik7 posted...

Jesus Christ. Trump said the CDC recommends cloth masks and Trump goes out of the way to say it is voluntary, and he won't be doing it himself.

Owning yourself, buddy.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Watching the longer clip Wang posted changes nothing about the context

Then it is what you want to believe. Again. A normal, rational person wouldn't jump over the logical explanation to find an explanation that is supported by no demeanor or mannerisms to support it.

Your choice.

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the clip isn't doctored at all but it is purposefully cut there to not showcase how absolutely nothing he does changes and he continues talking about the same thing, in the same kind of language, without any shift in tone. it's purposefully done to drive an entirely different narrative.

basically corrik and redsox are right that it's purposefully making outrage out of you. i can get how you'd interpret it the wrong way but that's because what's being presented to you is wrong and the idea is explicitly being put in your head. they ain't gaslighting you as much as trying to tell you that you're being trolled.

LordoftheMorons posted...

You mean like talking about his dick size during a debate

see, this is a good example.
when trump is joking, he'll change his mannerism, he smirks, his tone of voice changes, etc. he's done jokes in these conferences too - every day at that - and there's a clear shift that happens.

here nothing changes and he just keeps going, same old.


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that line really doesnt have the inflection of a joke at all, and his expression doesnt change when he says it as if he thinks its funny

I think youre seeing something that isnt there, LotM.
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I just don't see what other interpretation there is for what he said, even by his rambling standards. Financial models?

Okay Ill give Corrik this. Hes probably not gaslighting us. I just forget he is pretty bad at reading subtext
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I will grant one thing - this joke might actually be a little too clever for Trump to have slipped in there that off the cuff, so maybe it is just a coincidence

Literally everyone should be shitting on him for saying he isn't going to wear masks. And, you guys are going about this dumb shit.

Like, that was literally atrocious.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I just don't see what other interpretation there is for what he said, even by his rambling standards. Financial models?

maybe, I dunno, he says weirder shit all the time about windmills and toilets. I cant explain whats going through his head, but nothing about his delivery makes it seem like a joke.
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Wanglicious posted...

the clip isn't doctored at all but it is purposefully cut there to not showcase how absolutely nothing he does changes and he continues talking about the same thing, in the same kind of language, without any shift in tone. it's purposefully done to drive an entirely different narrative.

basically corrik and redsox are right that it's purposefully making outrage out of you. i can get how you'd interpret it the wrong way but that's because what's being presented to you is wrong and the idea is explicitly being put in your head. they ain't gaslighting you as much as trying to tell you that you're being trolled.

see, this is a good example.
when trump is joking, he'll change his mannerism, he smirks, his tone of voice changes, etc. he's done jokes in these conferences too - every day at that - and there's a clear shift that happens.

here nothing changes and he just keeps going, same old.

Okay, what models do you think hes referring to that hes been involved in?
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Wanglicious posted...

see, this is a good example.
when trump is joking, he'll change his mannerism, he smirks, his tone of voice changes, etc. he's done jokes in these conferences too - every day at that - and there's a clear shift that happens.

here nothing changes and he just keeps going, same old.

Are we gonna sit here and act like Trump has never made a dry innuendo before?

literally what is this argument

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

maybe, I dunno, he says weirder shit all the time about windmills and toilets. I cant explain whats going through his head, but nothing about his delivery makes it seem like a joke.

Maybe calling it a joke is whats causing the issue.

It really was more like he was just stating it as a matter of fact that he has indeed dated models, in case the sentence fragment before it might have lead you to believe otherwise

Like when guys used to unironically say No homo after complimenting another guy.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Okay, what models do you think hes referring to that hes been involved in?

Okay, having thought about it, I will offer this steelman response: Trump says "I've never been involved in a model" - thinks, wait, that makes me sound too stupid, I'm a businessman and I've done business before, so I should clarify that it's just pandemic models that I don't know about

I can see this having happened and this might be what it is

however, the notion that there's no possible chance that he was making a joke is naive - perhaps the president should choose his words more carefully

Corrik7 posted...

Then it is what you want to believe. Again. A normal, rational person wouldn't jump over the logical explanation to find an explanation that is supported by no demeanor or mannerisms to support it.

Your choice.

ok now that you called me abnormal and irrational i totally believe your interpretation

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I just don't see what other interpretation there is for what he said, even by his rambling standards. Financial models?

financial, business, supply chain, military, etc. the stuff he regularly brags about. i mean is he the type that could make that sort of joke? yeah, i can see it. did he? nah, this ain't his way of joking. will he try to retroactively say he did... probably not?

Jakyl25 posted...

Is there actually any media making the innuendo yet?

Not that they wont, but isnt it just people on Twitter?

unfortunately you forget that a significant chunk of twitter check marks are journos so it reaches them fast. from there, sex sells and trump saying outlandish shit and sex is a perfect mix for them.
so yes.

in fact i expect it to be brought up the next conference at which point he's totally gonna make a joke and shit on the media at the same time. but i just did a google search on trump models and got these 3 as top results.



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even fox news sees it

Paratroopa1 posted...

Okay, having thought about it, I will offer this steelman response: Trump says "I've never been involved in a model" - thinks, wait, that makes me sound too stupid, I'm a businessman and I've done business before, so I should clarify that it's just pandemic models that I don't know about

I can see this having happened and this might be what it is

however, the notion that there's no possible chance that he was making a joke is naive - perhaps the president should choose his words more carefully

this is sort of the explanation I was thinking of. He briefly admits a weakness (no knowledge of models), then his weird ego kicks in and he has to walk it back a bit.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Okay, having thought about it, I will offer this steelman response: Trump says "I've never been involved in a model" - thinks, wait, that makes me sound too stupid,

See I think he thought wait, that makes me sound like a virgin. I must let them know I am a Chad.
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Why try to argue that his joke clearly isn't what it obviously is when Trump has said things thousands of times more horrible than what ends up being a mostly harmless joke.

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Wanglicious posted...

financial, business, supply chain, military, etc. the stuff he regularly brags about. i mean is he the type that could make that sort of joke? yeah, i can see it. did he? nah, this ain't his way of joking. will he try to retroactively say he did... probably not?

It literally is exactly his way of joking, just because he didnt LOL during a press conference, you think he doesnt make joking nonsequiters constantly?

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I will admit that I think it would be really difficult for Trump not to smirk at his own joke

I feel like youre really narrowing down to everyone only having a single certain way they tell jokes, Wang

I would hope we are all capable of a grander sense of humor than that
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HarshRapDebater posted...

ok now that you called me abnormal and irrational i totally believe your interpretation

I don't care because you have already made it known you don't care what happened, just what you want to have happened.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Okay, what models do you think hes referring to that hes been involved in?

Financial models! Risk models!

Now that you mention it, he wrote about an experience he had as a casino owner in Atlantic City - he lost $6 million to a Japanese high roller and wanted to win it back, so he hired an expert to analyze how to do it. And what the expert found was that the longer the game goes on, the bigger effect the house advantage has relative to luck, so you want to keep the high roller gambling as long as possible.

So Trump or the expert (I forget who) came up with a plan - he made a handshake deal with the high roller that he would bring $12 million and wouldn't leave until he had either doubled his money or lost it all (or some long period of time had elapsed, presumably). And there was some maximum bet per hand of baccarat, as there always is, so he would have to get a pretty high number of hands ahead to reach the $12 million. The plan worked, the high roller hit a hot run early and won $10 million, but per the deal, he couldn't walk away until he hit $12 million, and he gave it all back and $10 million more. Then according to the high roller Trump dishonored the deal and discontinued the game having won back his $6 million and a profit of $4 million.

Now this is not a sophisticated model and it's quite strange that a casino owner would brag about finding a plan as simple as "try to keep the gambler playing in the casino as long as possible" but this is Trump and he bragged about it.

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Corrik why is it bad that hes saying he wont wear a mask if its just voluntary anyway?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It literally is exactly his way of joking, just because he didnt LOL during a press conference, you think he doesnt make joking nonsequiters constantly?

while that's a joke he's totally capable of making, it wasn't in the way he jokes and it's not in the way he's been doing jokes in these conferences either. you're just looking for something that ain't there because he could do something like that instead of looking at it and realizing he didn't. you're making the innuendo for him, basically.

i mean you're getting your feathers ruffled over something that, in your view, means he's witty and crude.
i don't think anyone objects to the latter but if you're finally accepting the former, cool i guess?

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red13n posted...

Why try to argue that his joke clearly isn't what it obviously is when Trump has said things thousands of times more horrible than what ends up being a mostly harmless joke.

even if he was making a joke, why are we talking about this at all when hes said things thousands of times more horrible

i dont know how anyone has the energy to be bothered by this anymore. Oh no, the guy who is consistently very bad said something else bad.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It literally is exactly his way of joking, just because he didnt LOL during a press conference, you think he doesnt make joking nonsequiters constantly?

yeah, this reminds me of when he made the "she was bleeding from... wherever" joke about megyn kelly, which he said in a totally deadpan manner

granted, that was an audio clip so maybe he was making a weird face when he said that

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I guess this is the left owning the left though I guess. When they have a ripe angle that everyone in the world would agree was terrible with his mask comments... They pick the ridiculous thing to try for in order to let that go under the radar and have the right just dismiss their criticism as stupid.

Jesus.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik why is it bad that hes saying he wont wear a mask if its just voluntary anyway?

Did you watch the press conference? They recommend you do it. Then he made it outright known how it is just voluntary and he isn't gonna do it because he doesn't see the need to yadda yadda. He outright undercut and destroyed the CDC recommendation live on stage.

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Wanglicious posted...

i mean you're getting your feathers ruffled over something that, in your view, means he's witty and crude.
i don't think anyone objects to the latter but if you're finally accepting the former, cool i guess?

No I actually literally dont care what he says or does, nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.

The absolute refusal that he might have been joking is ruffling my feathers.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

No I actually literally dont care what he says or does, nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.

The absolute refusal that he might have been joking is ruffling my feathers.

same

Jakyl25 posted...

I feel like youre really narrowing down to everyone only having a single certain way they tell jokes, Wang

I would hope we are all capable of a grander sense of humor than that

nah, i'm just narrowing it down to "this ain't how he does it." there's a number of different ways he can show this was a joke and none are being shown here. i'm saying you're making the joke for him.

and i mean, i appreciate it as i do love a good innuendo! alas.


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Corrik7 posted...

I guess this is the left owning the left though I guess. When they have a ripe angle that everyone in the world would agree was terrible with his mask comments... They pick the ridiculous thing to try for in order to let that go under the radar and have the right just dismiss their criticism as stupid.

Jesus.

The left being Fox News apparently according to Wangs search results
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Corrik7 posted...

Did you watch the press conference? They recommend you do it. Then he made it outright known how it is just voluntary and he isn't gonna do it because he doesn't see the need to yadda yadda. He outright undercut and destroyed the CDC recommendation live on stage.

And what effect is that actually going to have on whether or not people wear masks?

No one is looking to him for guidance. They either reject him outright or think hes being manipulated into a leftist agenda
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HarshRapDebater posted...

yeah, this reminds me of when he made the "she was bleeding from... wherever" joke about megyn kelly, which he said in a totally deadpan manner

granted, that was an audio clip so maybe he was making a weird face when he said that

It reminds me of how he would deadpan riff on Hillary at the debates

Wrong comes to mind as the chief example
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Jakyl25 posted...

And what effect is that actually going to have on whether or not people wear masks?

No one is looking to him for guidance. They either reject him outright or think hes being manipulated into a leftist agenda

What

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Wanglicious posted...

i mean you're getting your feathers ruffled over something that, in your view, means he's witty and crude.
i don't think anyone objects to the latter but if you're finally accepting the former, cool i guess?

the fact that it was a joke doesn't make him witty because the joke sucks.

(i'll admit that occasionally he's made some legitimately funny jokes. not nearly as often as his worshipers think he has, though.)

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Jakyl25 posted...

And what effect is that actually going to have on whether or not people wear masks?

No one is looking to him for guidance. They either reject him outright or think hes being manipulated into a leftist agenda

Plenty of people look to him for guidance. Not the 50% of the country who disapproves of him but most of the 45% who support him are going to be influenced by the behavior he models.

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Corrik7 posted...

What

Everyone is either getting their guidelines from people like Dr Fauci, or getting their theories about why the guidelines are bullshit from various right wing sources.

Did Trump say anything technically incorrect about the CDC guidelines?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Everyone is either getting their guidelines from people like Dr Fauci, or getting their theories about why the guidelines are bullshit from various right wing sources.

Did Trump say anything technically incorrect about the CDC guidelines?

Trump is a right wing source and the most important one.

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red sox 777 posted...

Plenty of people look to him for guidance. Not the 50% of the country who disapproves of him but most of the 45% who support him are going to be influenced by the behavior he models.

I feel like your stance to be consistent with your character should be applauding Trump for both being informative about CDC regulations while at the same time demonstrating the power of personal liberty
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Jakyl25 posted...

I feel like your stance to be consistent with your character should be applauding Trump for both being informative about CDC regulations while at the same time demonstrating the power of personal liberty

I only ever post opinions I believe in (when context is understood correctly), that's why my character is so effective.

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