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BeerOnTap 04/04/20 4:06:10 PM #1: |
..despite calls from experts to do so.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/ There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises during Obamas tenure. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the countrys ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded. https://www.dailywire.com/news/obama-admin-allegedly-depleted-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-never-replaced-reports-say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Miroku_of_Nite1 04/04/20 4:08:12 PM #2: |
"allegedly-depleted"
All I need to know about that link. Right up there with 'an anonymous source' --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeerOnTap 04/04/20 4:09:33 PM #3: |
Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
"allegedly-depleted" So what about the USA Today saying its true? You know theyd be circling the wagons to defend Obama if they could, sort of like youre doing now. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 04/04/20 4:10:11 PM #4: |
So now anonymous sources are cool for the Trumpsters?
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captpackrat 04/04/20 4:11:24 PM #5: |
So... For 3 years Trump couldn't buy new masks for some reason?
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BlackScythe0 04/04/20 4:12:17 PM #6: |
captpackrat posted...
So... For 3 years Trump couldn't buy new masks for some reason? He was too busy leaving federal agencies understaffed and firing the pandemic response team. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WastelandCowboy 04/04/20 4:12:25 PM #7: |
The Obama Administration hasn't been in effect in over three years. The Trump Administration has. Take some goddamn accountability for once.
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Mead 04/04/20 4:17:04 PM #8: |
I wonder if the group of disease control experts that Obama put in place and that Trump fires might have done something about the masks needed for such an event
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Zeus 04/04/20 4:23:41 PM #9: |
Oh look, finally an anonymous source that #NeverTrumpers won't believe without question! And this is despite the fact that it's coming from a respected outlet like USA Today that's notably less-biased than the numerous places they've closed their eyes and opened their mouths when swallowing other anonymous claims. However, here's the real kicker -- most of the facts ARE independently established from public sources (as noted in the USA Today fact-check), so once again it's just the #NeverTrump crowd rejecting reality and inserting their own.
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BeerOnTap 04/04/20 4:25:50 PM #10: |
Mead posted...
I wonder if the group of disease control experts that Obama put in place and that Trump fires might have done something about the masks needed for such an event well they certainly didnt when they were in place under Obama. So much for that logic. Back to your unemployed drawing board mead. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 04/04/20 4:27:33 PM #11: |
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OhhhJa 04/04/20 4:29:50 PM #12: |
OP you should know better than to suggest their god might not be perfect
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teddy241 04/04/20 4:32:50 PM #13: |
Has there ever been a president whos pointing the finger at the previous regime as much as trump? I mean we are almost at the end of his first term and hes still pointing the finger
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RCtheWSBC 04/04/20 4:44:05 PM #14: |
USA TODAY: Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/03/fact-check-did-obama-administration-deplete-n-95-mask-stockpile/5114319002/ --- https://imgur.com/HZf4bFJ the White-Sounding Black Chick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HelIWithoutSin 04/04/20 4:58:17 PM #15: |
Well Obama won't be getting my vote, I'll tell you that much.
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HornedLion 04/04/20 5:05:49 PM #16: |
Imagine if on February 7th, 2020 the Trump administration sent China 18 TONS of PPE including Masks, gowns, respirators, etc.
Imagine Mike Pompeo tweeting a video of the plane landing in China with such equipment. Then imagine Trump blaming our shortage entirely on the previous administration of 3+ years ago. And finally imagine the PotD community ignorant of all this. --- President Obama Best President in centuries. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GanonsSpirit 04/04/20 5:07:36 PM #17: |
ProPublica reported on April 3 that congressional budget battles in the early years of the Obama administration contributed to stockpile shortages. But the article notes available funds were used not to replenish masks: "With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said."
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Monota 04/04/20 5:08:07 PM #18: |
This is pretty pathetic, but that's just the country at this point.
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Muscles 04/04/20 5:27:20 PM #19: |
So what I get from this is both sides were unprepared but both sides want to act like it's the others fault
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BeerOnTap 04/04/20 6:14:24 PM #20: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
Dailywire LMAO RCtheWSBC posted... USA TODAY: Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeerOnTap 04/04/20 6:19:15 PM #21: |
teddy241 posted...
Has there ever been a president whos pointing the finger at the previous regime as much as trump? I mean we are almost at the end of his first term and hes still pointing the finger Obama spent his entire first term blaming Bush. Where were you? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 04/04/20 6:20:20 PM #22: |
LOL
people are forreal trying to blame Obama hahaha guy hasn't been in office for like three years now tf? --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 04/04/20 6:31:16 PM #23: |
FatalAccident posted...
LOLObama blamed bush for stuff years after, and bush did it with clinton, and so forth, its how politica in the modern world works, take as much credit for good things that you can and blame the guy before you for anything bad --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ParanoidObsessive 04/04/20 6:50:18 PM #24: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
So now anonymous sources are cool for the Trumpsters? To be fair, it's not as if citing anonymous sources or blatantly biased websites has ever stopped the people who've been bashing him for three straight years. Goose, gander, double standards, etc etc. Why, it's almost as if most modern political discussion from both sides of the aisle is just people picking sides and from then on bending the facts to fit their opinions rather than bending their opinions to fit the facts. Surely not! --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 04/04/20 8:52:58 PM #25: |
Zeus posted...
Oh look, finally an anonymous source that #NeverTrumpers won't believe without question! And this is despite the fact that it's coming from a respected outlet like USA Today that's notably less-biased than the numerous places they've closed their eyes and opened their mouths when swallowing other anonymous claims. However, here's the real kicker -- most of the facts ARE independently established from public sources (as noted in the USA Today fact-check), so once again it's just the #NeverTrump crowd rejecting reality and inserting their own. Everybody knows that real news sites are never reliable sources on Gamefaqs. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorthremar 04/04/20 8:57:24 PM #26: |
dog trump's been president for three years, probably time to stop being mad at the former president (tho unfortunately a lot of people are never going to get over the fact that we had a black president which is super neat)
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Revelation34 04/04/20 9:03:21 PM #27: |
Lorthremar posted...
dog trump's been president for three years, probably time to stop being mad at the former president (tho unfortunately a lot of people are never going to get over the fact that we had a black president which is super neat) Trump doesn't have a dog. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 04/04/20 9:10:08 PM #28: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
To be fair, it's not as if citing anonymous sources or blatantly biased websites has ever stopped the people who've been bashing him for three straight years. I wasn't attempting to do whataboutism. It's just a nonsense claim being made as has been laid out across the thread. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 04/04/20 9:35:51 PM #29: |
captpackrat posted...
So... For 3 years Trump couldn't buy new masks for some reason? Yeah, that's about my thought. I'll believe that Obama failed to replenish the stockpile, but Trump's had plenty of opportunity to remedy that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 04/04/20 9:37:39 PM #30: |
Why even bother challenging a person's world view when they post the dailywire as a source and will probably go back to it tomorrow?
Might as well be citing doctor who lore. I don't even like Obama that much, the only way anyone can get elected these days is to pretend to be a political outsider "who's going to change the whole system" while doing a 180 in office. And he did manage to fuck up his side project of hoarding respirators for a case like this if anyone cares about that whole incident. Nothing compared to Trump's incompetence on this, who basically arrogantly decided nothing bad was ever going to happen, but there was a little naivety there from the Obama administration. I'd post the link but it happens to be nytimes, which is "biased liberal fake news" to convince absolutely no one who doesn't already believe it, despite being actual well done journalism Seem to get a sin from liberals for bashing Obama, but he also bombed children despite the progressive tap dance he put on back home sorry --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lorthremar 04/04/20 10:03:06 PM #31: |
Revelation34 posted...
Trump doesn't have a dog.glad that this is the most creative remark you can come up with "haha he didn't use a comma" --- the 9/11 buildings got destroyed in the 9/11 thing - xyphilia ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BUMPED2002 04/04/20 11:56:58 PM #32: |
BeerOnTap posted...
..despite calls from experts to do so.I don't believe that. Obama was not as dense as Trump seems to be. --- SpankageBros ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWitchMorgana 04/05/20 1:59:48 AM #33: |
how dare obama not realize that there would be an unprecedented global pandemic that would overwhelm the incredibly fragile american health care system
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Zeus 04/05/20 2:14:26 AM #34: |
I like that people keep fixating that he linked to Daily Wire when he fucking linked to USA Today first which completely established his initial claim. He could link to Alex Jones, Mother Jones, or Mother Hubbard and it doesn't weaken the existing verification from a credible source.
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TheWitchMorgana 04/05/20 2:19:42 AM #35: |
Zeus posted...
I like that people keep fixating that he linked to Daily Wire when he fucking linked to USA Today first which completely established his initial claim. He could link to Alex Jones, Mother Jones, or Mother Hubbard and it doesn't weaken the existing verification from a credible source. it definitely doesn't make me think you're fostering a good-faith discussion about it though --- and love comes back around again, it's a carousel, my friend ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trialia 04/05/20 2:29:24 AM #36: |
WastelandCowboy posted...
The Obama Administration hasn't been in effect in over three years. The Trump Administration has. Take some goddamn accountability for once. --- PSN: Trialia_X, Xaedere (100%) | XBL: trialia, Noquelle (100%) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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aDirtyShisno 04/05/20 2:36:13 AM #37: |
Muscles posted...
So what I get from this is both sides were unprepared but both sides want to act like it's the others fault This is pretty much the first statement I can get behind in this thread. The previous administration should have replenished the supplies it expended but the current administration also should have been aware of the shortage and rectified it. If they had theyd even had scored themselves some brownie points to brag about. --- Que sera, sera. Whatever happens, happens. ...and he was never heard from again. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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deoxxys 04/05/20 2:39:34 AM #38: |
Oh no, these people did this thing under this president
and they did this thing under this president how horrible Blessed be the president that masters running a country perfectly in his mighty four to eight years in office. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeerOnTap 04/05/20 9:18:17 AM #39: |
adjl posted...
Yellow posted... Why even bother challenging a person's world view when they post the dailywire as a source and will probably go back to it tomorrow? I posted the DailyWire link because its literally the first thing mentioned in the USATodays fact check article. I led with USATodays fact check by the way. Youre projecting and setting up a strawman. And for the record, USAToday deemed DailyWires claims to be true. This immediate knee jerk reaction to crap on sources when it smacks against your narrative and you dont have anything to prove it wrong is very telling. Youre lashing out and you look silly. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veedrock- 04/05/20 9:51:37 AM #40: |
"Obama didn't replenish masks."
"Neither did Trump." "Neither did Trump." "Neither did Trump." "Neither did Trump." You guys are so fucking fragile omg. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 04/05/20 9:52:53 AM #41: |
Whataboitism
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BlackScythe0 04/05/20 10:23:10 AM #42: |
Zeus posted...
I like that people keep fixating that he linked to Daily Wire when he fucking linked to USA Today first which completely established his initial claim. He could link to Alex Jones, Mother Jones, or Mother Hubbard and it doesn't weaken the existing verification from a credible source.What verification ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueStormDragoN 04/05/20 11:10:10 AM #43: |
Whether the reserve was low at the end of 2016, or not; it does not mean much in 2020.
After 3 years in office, this shortage still being a problems sits firmly on his own shoulders and his team, no one else. Period. Trump fired a response team from the CDC and put nothing in place in exchange. This is reminiscent of the Obamacare fiasco, in that he tried to have it removed without a good plan in exchange and it failed. The President made light of the coronavirus for 6 weeks and didn't plan anything in the meantime. Now the United States are far worse for it and hundreds of people that die will own it to him personally. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 04/05/20 11:24:11 AM #44: |
GanonsSpirit posted...
ProPublica reported on April 3 that congressional budget battles in the early years of the Obama administration contributed to stockpile shortages. But the article notes available funds were used not to replenish masks: "With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said."Quoting again because apparently no one read it. So again...ever since Trump came into office and deficits stopped mattering again (witness the huge hand out to the rich w/ the 2017 tax law that blatantly wasn't "paying for itself" and now how we've blown trillions of dollars in the span of a week on this virus), why hasn't some money been spent to replenish the supply? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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botsrule 04/05/20 12:16:59 PM #45: |
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/04/how-the-tea-partys-war-with-obama-left-the-federal-medical-stockpile-unprepared-for-coronavirus_partner/
How the Tea Party's war with Obama left the federal medical stockpile unprepared for coronavirus Fiscal cuts imposed by Republicans in Congress during the Obama administration left the U.S. unprepared ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_tall_midget 04/05/20 12:46:30 PM #46: |
BlueStormDragoN posted...
Whether the reserve was low at the end of 2016, or not; it does not mean much in 2020. Both team are at fault, got it. --- DRUUUMMMPPPFFF!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_tall_midget 04/05/20 12:47:13 PM #47: |
BeerOnTap posted...
I posted the DailyWire link because its literally the first thing mentioned in the USATodays fact check article. I led with USATodays fact check by the way. Youre projecting and setting up a strawman. And for the record, USAToday deemed DailyWires claims to be true. It's Yellow. Don't bother. See my sig to see what you should expect. --- DRUUUMMMPPPFFF!!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hmnut7 04/05/20 1:42:12 PM #48: |
BlueStormDragoN posted...
Whether the reserve was low at the end of 2016, or not; it does not mean much in 2020.Every word of this is 100% true. Trump had money to give a the rich a tax cut, and he was willing to shut down the government over building a wall. Trump knows how to prioritize what he wants to prioritize. Public Health was not one of those things, people will die because of it. Elections have consequences. More will die because of Trump and his supporters stupidity and incompetence than died in the Bosnian Genocide. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 04/05/20 7:17:34 PM #49: |
The_tall_midget posted...
Both team are at fault, got it. GanonsSpirit posted... ProPublica reported on April 3 that congressional budget battles in the early years of the Obama administration contributed to stockpile shortages. But the article notes available funds were used not to replenish masks: "With limited resources, officials in charge of the stockpile tend to focus on buying lifesaving drugs from small biotechnology firms that would, in the absence of a government buyer, have no other market for their products, experts said. Masks and other protective equipment are in normal times widely available and thus may not have been prioritized for purchase, they said." It wasn't both teams firing the pandemic response team. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 04/05/20 7:25:12 PM #50: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
I bet you would only accept it if it was from Vice or Vox. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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