Board 8 > Are these rumored FF7 Remake spoilers actually real? (spoilers, obviously)

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xp1337 posted...

wow missed opportunity to name this Rebuild of Final Fantasy VII.

Because we all know how positively those movies were received.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Also I wonder how little sense this game will make for anyone who has never played OG FFVII

I highly doubt anyone playing the remake hasn't played the original

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I highly doubt anyone playing the remake hasn't played the original

There are 22 year olds who weren't born when the original was released. I am pretty sure a lot of them are experiencing it for the first time this gen.

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I highly doubt anyone playing the remake hasn't played the original

Bruh, no wonder you're all over the place this contest if you actually think stuff like this.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I highly doubt anyone playing the remake hasn't played the original

do you think thats true for all remakes or just this one for some reason

like do you think no one who didnt play original RE3 is playing that remake?
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Didn't read the thread, but I have read the spoilers and I don't mind them

from trailer 2 or so we knew it wasn't going to be a straight remake, so an alternate telling of the original (with the same major set pieces and characters) is fine

UshiromiyaEva posted...

If that's your takeaway then I can't help ya!

indeed you cannot

none of this was real, none of it really mattered, screw you for playing it, but hey it was fun right???

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really gonna need you guys to spoil whatever game you're talking about

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

really gonna need you guys to spoil whatever game you're talking about

Which game? FF7R or "game that has the fandom trying to force the story to be the same as before"?
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

really gonna need you guys to spoil whatever game you're talking about

Pretty sure they're talking about (spoilers for potentially any game ever made ahead!!!) Danganronpa V3

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User SaveEstelle says he approves of these spoilers and that's good enough for me

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oh well fuck that series, that's fine

if anything it sounds more interesting than I thought it would be

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It's heavy.

And yeah no greater self own than feeling attacked by that ending.

the joke is indeed on me for being invested

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So what I'm getting is that Yoshi-P is still the only one keeping Square afloat.

Whatever. The gameplay for this game was really fun in the demo for me and I can't wait to play the rest.

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There are few people more invested in that franchise than me, sans financially.

If you feel like you were attacked for liking it, I think you missed it.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

do you think thats true for all remakes or just this one for some reason

like do you think no one who didnt play original RE3 is playing that remake?

The playrate for Final Fantasy 7 is much higher than RE3. Also, RE3 is a much more casual friendly game that's more likely to pull in new players. I'm willing to guess less than 1% of FF7R players have not played, or are at least familiar with the story beats of the original

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Even I personally know 3 people who are in their late 20s/early 30s who want to play the remake and have never played the original nor really know the story outside of "Cloud is in Smash Bros"

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Leonhart4 posted...

User SaveEstelle says he approves of these spoilers and that's good enough for me

Well now I know he's dead and Leon has been covering for him this whole time


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Tons of people are interested in it just because FFVII is still talked about as a legendary all time game.

The hype is not just because of a bunch of a nostalgic ol fogeys

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there is a HUGE number of people who simply WILL NOT play games because "they are old" and "whatever if it's good they'll remake it" which is definitely the case for FF7

pjbasis posted...

Well now I know he's dead and Leon has been covering for him this whole time

I've got the receipts

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I started reading through the topic on ETI, this thing is a dumpster fire.

I feel like the demo was misleading, because I was super stoked at how fun and faithful it was.

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Got further in

Why couldn't this have gone the Yakuza Kiwami/RE2 remake route?

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This is really disappointing and the main reason for that is not that I wanted a full HD reamke 1:1 of my favorite game even though I did.

I feel like the the demo and the trailers and basically everything we heard about the game presented it as that with very few differences.

I wonder how much of this was the idea before the whole project basically had to start over.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

I wonder how much of this was the idea before the whole project basically had to start over.

Something tells me the Cyber Connect version wouldn't have been this, lol.

RELEASE THE CC CUT

I'm torn on the spoilers. I played 7 when it was originally released and enjoyed it, but it barely cracked my top 100 so I'm not going to write it off because of some major changes. How faithful to the original was my favorite part of the demo though since I'm really not sold on the combat, but I also like having the unknown. I mostly enjoyed the Resident Evil 3 remake even though they changed a lot, so I guess I'll have to wait and see.

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I was going to buy this on release but I think I'll pass. Might buy it when it's like $20. What a mess

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ctesjbuvf posted...

This is really disappointing and the main reason for that is not that I wanted a full HD reamke 1:1 of my favorite game even though I did.

I feel like the the demo and the trailers and basically everything we heard about the game presented it as that with very few differences.

I wonder how much of this was the idea before the whole project basically had to start over.

This is basically my problem with it too. It's a bait and switch. If they had said from the get go it was drastically different then I'd have been pissed that I wasn't getting what I wanted but eventually been fine with it. Now it just feels worse because they have gotten our hopes up by presenting it as faithful to the original before pulling the rug out from underneath us at the very last second.

And they have done it on purpose because they knew they would have faced a ton of backlash if they had told us all along

Wow i always was saying this game would be a scam and boy was I right but for the completely wrong reasons.

They aren't going to make a part 2.
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I just don't understand why Square is willing to throw away money.

They were primed and ready to just milk people for like 8 parts with this game. And all they had to do was remake the fucking thing. Easiest fucking money they left on the table for, what? To try to be more artistic with the story?

It's actual insanity and I don't know how someone didn't go "Okay, but people might just want a remake and might not buy the next part if we add all this bullshit." Like, did this not even occur to them?

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

To try to be more artistic with the story?

More artistic is one of the last phrases I'd use to describe this. It's more just more anime and middle school targeting.

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Okay, but they think they are being artistic with it.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I think you missed it.

most likely but nobody has ever been able to explain what I missed

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Okay, but they think they are being artistic with it.

Seems more like they're spinning the "what's really popular in anime these days?" roulette, and landing on Rebuild of Evangelion without realizing that the hardcore fans hated the Rebuilds.

And also them thinking that the stupidity of FF13 and KH3D were stuff people wanted to see more of instead of less. Seriously, you have no idea how relieved I was when KH3's explanation for the villains being around was simply "Garlandnort grabbed everybody from out of time and stuffed them into Replica bodies".

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Thenenen posted...

Seems more like they're spinning the "what's really popular in anime these days?" roulette, and landing on Rebuild of Evangelion without realizing that the hardcore fans hated the Rebuilds.

Hello I guess I am a hardcore Eva fan, at least in that Ive watched the series and all the films numerous times and actively engaged with the fans for years.

I do not think that is an accurate statement regarding opinions towards Rebuild. We have to look at it film by film though:

1.11 - Minor differences, hints that it is actually a sequel rather than a remake. Well-liked by the fandom.

2.22 - Mostly the same with significant differences, hints become a lot more obvious. Beloved by the fans, seen right up there with EoE as the peak of the franchise.

3.33 - Totally different other than a few key points, skips right over key story beats they set up, completely changes the story, setting, characterisations and themes from both the series and the previous Rebuilds. Wildly divisive if not outright disliked by the fans.

Dont take my word for it though, just look at the difference in imdb score between 2 and 3:

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0860906/?ref_=m_tt_sims_tt
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0860907/?ref_=m_tt_sims_tt

I have been thinking about the Rebuilds a lot in regards to these spoilers (which I have largely avoided specifics on, but I know the gist). People didnt turn on Rebuild because it went in a different direction or was a stealth sequel rather than a remake. Thats all in 2.22 and they love that. They turned on it because it abandoned what the franchise was about and seemed to actively spurn what the films had set up and built. Of course, Rebuild was always clear that it would diverge since its announcement, but not the sequel thing.

The kind of story FFVII Remake evidently wants to tell can absolutely be done well. They just better hope that they land on Evangelion 2 and not Evangelion 3.

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Yeah, as a "hardcore eva fan" (Evangelion is my favorite anime) I don't think the fandom tide turned on Rebuild until 3.0 (and I'm okay with 3.0 personally.) 1 is basically a straight remake with some cuts for time and enough interesting changes to fuel speculation. 2 is pretty beloved even if I have some bones to pick with it. It was only with 3 that you saw things turn south with many fans. Not helped by the fact that the timetable of the releases went straight into Versus XIII territory.

As for FFVII Remake in this analogy the spoilers make it sound like they're speedrunning this scale and going from 1.0 all the way to 3.0 by the end so "we'll see."

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Everyone in this topic needs to take Clouds words of wisdom to heart.

https://youtu.be/vTIwlW7wlSg?t=41

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I liked the end of polygons review. Seemed to sum up what I've been seeing in this topic

Remake is wildly uneven, poorly paced, and not entirely successful as a game in its own right. It takes a game that still feels staggeringly ambitious and often turns it into something more traditional, even if every aspect of the experience is so much more technically advanced.

But Remake is also the very best thing a game can be: fascinating. It forces us to confront our subjective tastes, and asks us to consider what we value in the games we play. Your feelings about Remake will be determined by what you, personally, valued in the original release.

Its a mirror held in front of each member of the audience. What are your favorite parts of Final Fantasy 7, and did Square Enix enhance those aspects of the game, make them worse, or remove them altogether? Every fan of the original is likely going to have a slightly different answer to both questions.

Gaming has grown, and so have we, but what have we lost in the transition? This isnt a replacement for the original game. Its another take on the same ideas, blown up to fill multiple releases in a way that feels artistically justified in some ways and mercenary in its approach to becoming a commercial juggernaut in others.

We know where weve been, and this beginning of an updated version of that experience gives us some idea of where the modern Square Enix thinks were headed. The biggest question left is whether fans will agree with its assessment.

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Will also pop in to say Rebuild 2 is is fantastic and Rebuild 3 is an absolute joke.

Lucavi000 posted...

Everyone in this topic needs to take Clouds words of wisdom to heart.

https://youtu.be/vTIwlW7wlSg?t=41

This is all I wanted out of the game: extremely high production value Barret content
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Rebuild 3's piano scene is legit the only thing I can remember about it even as a major Eva fan but that by itself almost justifies the movie.

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One less game I need to buy.

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StifledSilence posted...

One less game I need to buy.

3 or 4 tbh.

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GildedFool posted...

3 or 4 tbh.

There's no chance the sequels get made. A slip-up like this will make them rethink the time and money the series would take.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

There's no chance the sequels get made. A slip-up like this will make them rethink the time and money the series would take.

https://opencritic.com/game/8586/final-fantasy-vii-remake

Reception is actually great overall and you're off your rocker if you don't think this is going to sell like hotcakes even if it was truly awful, which is ultimately the only thing that matters.

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Xiahou Shake posted...

https://opencritic.com/game/8586/final-fantasy-vii-remake

Reception is actually great overall and you're off your rocker if you don't think this is going to sell like hotcakes even if it was truly awful, which is ultimately the only thing that matters.

How many of the sales were pre-orders based on name only?

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

How many of the sales were pre-orders based on name only?

100%

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Let's be real. If there is any production value behind the game (and there is) and it isn't a total technical mess, there was no way that any critic was going to trash the story part for a Final Fantasy VII Remake. They will want Square to keep giving them advanced copies and they don't want to be the critic who burned the FFVII Remake.

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