Board 8 > Final Fantasy VII Remake Review Zone

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ninkendo
04/06/20 4:55:33 AM
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Is one hour from now.

In light of various information presented in topics on this board yesterday it'll be interesting to see how reviewers came at it.

but I will be asleep. I look forward to seeing what it is in the morning.

https://opencritic.com/game/8586/final-fantasy-vii-remake

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ChaosTonyV4
04/06/20 5:02:04 AM
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My Amazon shipped Deluxe Edition ETA is the 14th.


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RaidenGarai
04/06/20 6:01:49 AM
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Mines also saying April 14th, but it hasnt shipped yet.

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Gradieus
04/06/20 6:31:23 AM
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Gamespot gave it 10/10, metacritic has it at 88. A few reviews gave it low grades due to episodic (expected), so probably 90 if they weren't biased.
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voltch
04/06/20 6:50:08 AM
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Easy Allies gave it a 9.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/06/20 7:13:35 AM
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Gradieus posted...
Gamespot gave it 10/10, metacritic has it at 88. A few reviews gave it low grades due to episodic (expected), so probably 90 if they weren't biased.

Which one is biased here iyo, the 10/10 or the people who think episodic is a knock?

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davidponte
04/06/20 7:18:08 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Which one is biased here iyo, the 10/10 or the people who think episodic is a knock?

As a biased person myself it's clear that the bad review scores are the biased ones.

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TheRock1525
04/06/20 7:56:38 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Which one is biased here iyo, the 10/10 or the people who think episodic is a knock?
Yeah don't listen to that dude, he was exposed as a pedophile on the Politics board a while back.

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Surskit
04/06/20 8:08:07 AM
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Final Fantasy getting a 10 in the year 2020, who knew?

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iiicon
04/06/20 9:23:20 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Yeah don't listen to that dude, he was exposed as a pedophile on the Politics board a while back.
quickest 'time to pedophile' in a reviews topic yet

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BlAcK TuRtLe
04/06/20 9:25:44 AM
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Tamoor Hussain is a pedophile?

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Punnyz
04/06/20 9:33:00 AM
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mine is arriving the 16th

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MechanicalWall
04/06/20 10:47:14 AM
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87 as of right now

I don't put too much stock in numbers, but it does seem like this isn't a bust. I think the episodic format was inevitably gonna hurt this game, and JRPGs in general are going to be slightly divisive; you have to be a worldbeater to get yourself across that 90 line (P5 is the only JRPG to get >90 in how long?)

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 11:02:54 AM
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Completely irregardless of recent revelations, I don't know how anybody that SE, especially Nomura himself, was gonna out a game that didn't have a bunch of problems, regardless of the source material. The company has not been firing on all cylinders for a while, and their by far best game of the last 5 years was just through publishing.
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pjbasis
04/06/20 12:17:44 PM
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I doubt most of the story bs is going to affect critical reviews too much.

If the gameplay is good it should be fine.

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ninkendo
04/06/20 12:54:22 PM
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ah 8.8 the twilight princess of the series

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iiicon
04/06/20 1:31:59 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
The company has not been firing on all cylinders for a while, and their by far best game of the last 5 years was just through publishing.
In the last 5 years, internally they've released HITMAN, SaGa: Scarlet Grace, Dragon Quest XI, Nier: Automata, and two Final Fantasy expansions (one of which might be the best FF game ever). It's not wise to blindly trust Square I agree, but not many developers have released nearly as many game of the generation calibre games in that time frame.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 1:50:16 PM
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I think we have a different definition of internal here. Nier is internal? That's a Platinum game. Hitman is not them either. Those are publishing.

Saga I don't know about never liked those things since the beginning. FFXIV I will give you, even if it's not my thing.

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iiicon
04/06/20 2:02:22 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
I think we have a different definition of internal here. Nier is internal? That's a Platinum game. Hitman is not them either. Those are publishing.
Nier is a Square and Platinum co-production as it used staff from both companies. IO were an Eidos subsidiary and Eidos has been owned by Square since 2009. If you're looking for Square published games, that would be something like the Life is Strange or Just Cause franchises.

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pjbasis
04/06/20 2:07:09 PM
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I think when we say square in this case it's really the old guard dev team that comes up with final fantasy and kingdom hearts

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 2:10:18 PM
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Yes, I'm talking strictly mainline internal, not some staff bleed over.

When I think modern square I think about how FFXV and KH3 are embarrassments.
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skullbone
04/06/20 2:13:00 PM
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I feel like FFXV and KH3 are only bad for plot reasons which is a little more excusable in my opinion. Square has had some rough years but they earned enough good will that I can still give them the benefit of the doubt to make a good experience.

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pjbasis
04/06/20 2:13:18 PM
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TBF I don't really know anything about square's structure as a company. All I know is I don't hear the names Nomura and Tabata when talking about Nier and DQ, etc.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 2:14:17 PM
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I think KH3 is just a button mashing skilless nightmare and FFXV has the most aggravating clunky combat to ever grace an action RPG, but that's just me.
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squexa
04/06/20 2:23:30 PM
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Yeah, even if Squenix is one big company, most of the subunits operate relatively independently from each other iirc.

Dragon Quest is literally just Squenix handing a blank cheque to Yuji Horii to make whatever he wants. I know for the first 8 Dragon Quests, Squenix didn't even develop it internally and instead outsource it to some other studio like Chunsoft or Level 5.

Final Fantasy's biggest issue for why all the recent games have been lackluster is that it's a RPG series with high sales expectations that's supposed to target both Japanese and Western mainstreams and for the most part, what the Japanese mainstream and what the Western mainstream want have diverged significantly since the early 2000s. What we end up is some soul-less chimera product like FFXV that somehow disappoints both.

It's much easier to develop a game like Persona 5 or Dragon Quest XI that's built towards a smaller group rather than an FF game that has to satisfy a huge variety of tastes.

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Haunter12O
04/06/20 2:32:00 PM
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People complaining about there being mindless fetch quests are forgetting that Nier Automata did the same exact thing.
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voltch
04/06/20 2:37:05 PM
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Nier Automara brought great flavour text to those fetch quests though.

There was almost always a payoff with the quest giver involved.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 2:39:58 PM
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Yeah, NieR Automata had tons of fetchquests, but "mindless" is the last thing I would call them.

Now, I do wonder what work they're gonna do to the Nier Replicant rerelease, because a lot of those fetch quests I WOULD call mindless.
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/06/20 2:40:56 PM
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Man there's a lot of valid criticisms of FFXV to make but "soulless" is certainly not one of them.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 2:42:51 PM
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How about just terrible?
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Sharinnegan
04/06/20 2:44:47 PM
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FFXV ironically needed more time to develop (even after the 10 year development hell)

the concept of the battle system was good, but it wasn't executed properly (it has been now in VII remake). the story was good, but wasn't told properly (i didnt even understand most of it until looking up videos explaining on youtube). the world looked great but there wasn't enough to do on it.

XV was the basis of a great game released before being molded into its final state.

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ninkendo
04/06/20 2:45:03 PM
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I liked the end of polygons review. Seemed to sum up what I've been seeing on this board

Remake is wildly uneven, poorly paced, and not entirely successful as a game in its own right. It takes a game that still feels staggeringly ambitious and often turns it into something more traditional, even if every aspect of the experience is so much more technically advanced.
But Remake is also the very best thing a game can be: fascinating. It forces us to confront our subjective tastes, and asks us to consider what we value in the games we play. Your feelings about Remake will be determined by what you, personally, valued in the original release.
Its a mirror held in front of each member of the audience. What are your favorite parts of Final Fantasy 7, and did Square Enix enhance those aspects of the game, make them worse, or remove them altogether? Every fan of the original is likely going to have a slightly different answer to both questions.
Gaming has grown, and so have we, but what have we lost in the transition? This isnt a replacement for the original game. Its another take on the same ideas, blown up to fill multiple releases in a way that feels artistically justified in some ways and mercenary in its approach to becoming a commercial juggernaut in others.
We know where weve been, and this beginning of an updated version of that experience gives us some idea of where the modern Square Enix thinks were headed. The biggest question left is whether fans will agree with its assessment.

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voltch
04/06/20 2:45:21 PM
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XV and KHIII p good yeah.

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UshiromiyaEva
04/06/20 2:45:34 PM
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I actually liked the combat in the first FFXV demo more than the final product.
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iiicon
04/06/20 2:47:07 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Yes, I'm talking strictly mainline internal, not some staff bleed over.
So are Dragon Quest 8 and 9 not Square games? Because there was less time between the purchase of Enix and the release of those games than the purchase of Eidos and the release of HITMAN.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Man there's a lot of valid criticisms of FFXV to make but "soulless" is certainly not one of them.
no that one sounds apt! It's a game about relationships without firmly established or believable relationships, set in a world with bog standard sidequests like "find these frogs" and "find these dog tags."

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Surskit
04/06/20 3:56:53 PM
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ninkendo posted...
I liked the end of polygons review. Seemed to sum up what I've been seeing on this board
In less wordy terms, "It's a flawed game but people might still like it depending on their expectations".

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TheRock1525
04/06/20 3:59:24 PM
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iiicon posted...
So are Dragon Quest 8 and 9 not Square games? Because there was less time between the purchase of Enix and the release of those games than the purchase of Eidos and the release of HITMAN.

no that one sounds apt! It's a game about relationships without firmly established or believable relationships, set in a world with bog standard sidequests like "find these frogs" and "find these dog tags."
But do you ever find frog tags?

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Lucavi000
04/06/20 4:01:04 PM
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If you go into remake thinking it'll be mostly 1:1... you're gonna have a bad time.

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iiicon
04/06/20 4:31:31 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
But do you ever find frog tags?
...I think those two quest givers do cross over eventually actually

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The Mana Sword
04/06/20 4:31:59 PM
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icon is a well documented Dave fan

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Metal_DK
04/06/20 4:41:02 PM
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eh im kinda hoping its not a direct remake. However from what Ive read I'm not sure if this is the best way to do what i think they are doing

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KamikazePotato
04/06/20 4:45:20 PM
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How to tell if a Square release will have issues:

1. Nomura is attached to it

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BK_Sheikah00
04/06/20 5:48:26 PM
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Talking gameplay, KH3 Remind is anything but mindless button mashing.

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Nanis23
04/06/20 5:58:28 PM
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Reviews are a little disappointing but it's because of the high expectations so it's kinda like "Twilight Princess 8.8" all over again

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ninkendo
04/06/20 5:58:40 PM
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Trying to get the pro codes trophy in Kingdom Hearts 3 remind is the most I've ever had to git gud at Kingdom Hearts

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Yuri_LowelI
04/06/20 6:36:01 PM
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ninkendo posted...
ah 8.8 the twilight princess of the series

TP was overrated and deserved less

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CassandraCain
04/06/20 6:36:02 PM
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pjbasis
04/06/20 6:38:58 PM
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
TP was overrated and deserved less

Yeah people should have been flipping out that it wasn't lower.

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pjbasis
04/06/20 6:39:23 PM
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Lucavi000 posted...
If you go into remake thinking... you're gonna have a bad time.


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GANON1025
04/06/20 6:45:22 PM
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Do you think Cloud will get an upkeep boost in Mercs 6 because of what he does in the remake, or not

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