Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 298: Blood Sugar Flex Magik

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Jakyl25
05/26/20 6:28:49 PM
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Trump is capping insulin costs for seniors, and has asked for their votes in return
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LordoftheMorons
05/26/20 6:49:56 PM
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Not-so-fun fact: if you extend the rate current fraction of NYC residents currently confirmed to have died of COVID to the entire country, we would have about 640,000 deaths.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 6:56:05 PM
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I would hope any reasomable people would know OANN, the network that makes FOX look like a left leaning liberal bastion, isn't actual news.

May as well say your most trusted network is NRA TV.
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Suprak the Stud
05/26/20 7:07:01 PM
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If that officer in Minnesota doesnt go to jail, no officer ever will. Thats as clear cut as it is.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/26/20 7:09:41 PM
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Oh I think there's very little chance of jail time. I will even say that if he is SENTENCED to jail time, assuming it even goes to court. It would get moved to time served after the fact.

It's a miracle he was fired, honestly. Doubt he gets much worse than that unless they find a text he sent saying he wanted to kill someone and get away with it.
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LordoftheMorons
05/26/20 7:52:40 PM
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https://twitter.com/timodc/status/1265429360879661056?s=21

Very cool

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Paratroopa1
05/26/20 7:58:53 PM
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Sick RHCP reference
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SmartMuffin
05/26/20 8:02:09 PM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265427539008380928

Uh oh Twitter, you're in trouble now. Trump is about to monitor this situation harder than he's ever monitored anything before!

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Mr Lasastryke
05/26/20 8:03:11 PM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
Sick RHCP reference

their last great album

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Jakyl25
05/26/20 8:09:03 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265427539008380928

Uh oh Twitter, you're in trouble now. Trump is about to monitor this situation harder than he's ever monitored anything before!


I kinda hope he moves to Gab just to see what happens
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LordoftheMorons
05/26/20 8:24:04 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
their last great album
Wow, reported for defamation

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SmartMuffin
05/26/20 9:20:56 PM
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I find this to be an entirely appropriate analogy



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SmartMuffin
05/26/20 9:24:58 PM
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https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow/status/1265300315370291200

I like how in England this sort of thing is a legit big deal scandal, but here in the US everyone already knows/assumes all of our leaders are giant frauds and hypocrites and so when they get caught, we all just kind of shrug.

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Jakyl25
05/26/20 9:38:17 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
I find this to be an entirely appropriate analogy




Except none of them are as good at their job as these two
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StealThisSheen
05/26/20 9:40:22 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow/status/1265300315370291200

I like how in England this sort of thing is a legit big deal scandal, but here in the US everyone already knows/assumes all of our leaders are giant frauds and hypocrites and so when they get caught, we all just kind of shrug.

Get caught doing what? The order got struck down. This would only be a scandal if it didn't.

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red sox 777
05/26/20 9:41:51 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/DanODonnellShow/status/1265300315370291200

I like how in England this sort of thing is a legit big deal scandal, but here in the US everyone already knows/assumes all of our leaders are giant frauds and hypocrites and so when they get caught, we all just kind of shrug.

Her job is to interpret the law. Her colleagues outvoted her, so now she is following their decision. She doesn't have to act in accordance with her interpretation of the law when that isn't the one that won.

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StealThisSheen
05/26/20 9:45:28 PM
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According to SmartMuffin, if everybody doesn't reopen RIGHT NOW, they're nazis and destroying liberty and blah blah blah. But also if you ever at any time supported the stay at home orders, you must follow them even after they've been ended.

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ChaosTonyV4
05/27/20 2:19:14 AM
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https://beetpress.com/2020/05/26/biden-campaign-hires-amy-cooper-as-director-of-black-outreach/


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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 9:04:33 AM
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https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/1265623024243441665

The IFR for those not living in nursing homes is like 0.1%. 1 in 1000. You don't shut down society over that.

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Jakyl25
05/27/20 9:48:21 AM
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You do realize that all of those stats are what they are BECAUSE we shut things down
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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 9:49:47 AM
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https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1265636238255669252

this is some pretty goddamn hilarious framing

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HashtagSEP
05/27/20 9:50:05 AM
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No. He's never going to realize that.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 9:50:08 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
You do realize that all of those stats are what they are BECAUSE we shut things down

This is a baseless assertion that is unsupported by any statistical evidence.

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Inviso
05/27/20 9:52:09 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...
This is a baseless assertion that is unsupported by any statistical evidence.

I mean, what statistical evidence do you have that says it's wrong?

Do you have access to an alternate dimension in which we didn't shut down anything, and thus there are completely different stats?

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 9:57:18 AM
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Do you have access to an alternate dimension in which we didn't shut down anything, and thus there are completely different stats?

No. What we have are countless graphs of fatality rates, which vary all over the place, and don't correlate even a little bit with lockdown speed or severity.

No country did "literally nothing at all" but different countries acted more or less quickly, or were more or less intrusive... and there's absolutely no way to tell which is which by just looking at cases or fatalities or IFR or anything else.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 9:58:12 AM
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And note that I'm not saying "We can be 100% sure lockdowns did nothing." What I'm saying is the same thing that CNN and the fact checkers always say about everything Trump says... that there's no evidence the lockdowns did anything. Which is true. No serious person argues otherwise at this point.

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Jakyl25
05/27/20 10:00:47 AM
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Shouldnt basic knowledge of how diseases spread tell you that lockdowns allowed fewer people to be infected?
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Jakyl25
05/27/20 10:01:41 AM
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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:03:27 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Shouldnt basic knowledge of how diseases spread tell you that lockdowns allowed fewer people to be infected?

Logically yes. This does make sense. It's a valid theory.

It just isn't supported by the data. Not even a little bit. There's still a lot going on with COVID that we just don't understand.

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Jakyl25
05/27/20 10:05:52 AM
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Jakyl25
05/27/20 10:09:14 AM
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Although hey, if this gets rid of Twitter, the ends might justify the means
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TheRock1525
05/27/20 10:22:09 AM
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I mean if you wanna see what happens when you do fuck-all, check out Brazil.

I like how the response to "we don't understand Covid-19" is "we should do nothing about it."

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:24:13 AM
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I mean if you wanna see what happens when you do fuck-all, check out Brazil.

https://slatestarcodex.com/blog_images/owidgraph2.png

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TheRock1525
05/27/20 10:27:04 AM
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Brazil literally just posted the highest daily death toll the past two days.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:28:04 AM
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and? so their curve isn't quite flat yet

that doesn't mean that clearly and obvious no lockdown produces worse overall outcomes than lockdown

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TheRock1525
05/27/20 10:29:29 AM
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Also the website you linked to:

https://slatestarcodex.com/

Literally the first blog post (since it is a blog) is about a 5000 essay about the fanfic "My Immortal".

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TheRock1525
05/27/20 10:37:02 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...
and? so their curve isn't quite flat yet
You only flatten the curve if you actually make some attempt to. Brazil is literally digging mass graves right now and their largest city still hasn't been hit yet. They're totally fucked.

You'll dig for whatever kernel that supports your point of view while the majority of doctors and scientists tell you how wrong you are just because your fiancee is upset about your wedding. We literally have studies showing how social distancing sooner would have saved more lives and yet you still insist it did nothing.

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HashtagSEP
05/27/20 10:39:39 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...
and? so their curve isn't quite flat yet

that doesn't mean that clearly and obvious no lockdown produces worse overall outcomes than lockdown

Not just their highest death toll

The highest death toll in the world

And it's five days straight

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Inviso
05/27/20 10:39:54 AM
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Smuffin, if you're going to post a graph, at least post one that has dates referenced. There's no way of knowing, based off that graph, when the data is from, or how long its been since the information in the graph was gathered.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:42:23 AM
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Inviso posted...
Smuffin, if you're going to post a graph, at least post one that has dates referenced. There's no way of knowing, based off that graph, when the data is from, or how long its been since the information in the graph was gathered.

the dates are indexed to the date after each country first surpassed one in a million cases per capita, to control for "well the disease wasn't there yet" type objections, that's why the lines don't all end in the same point

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:43:11 AM
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You only flatten the curve if you actually make some attempt to.

This is simply not true. Cases are declining in many locations that had very light lockdowns, or no lockdowns at all. I suggest you do more research rather than just going all-in on your prior assumptions.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:43:53 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Also the website you linked to:

https://slatestarcodex.com/

Literally the first blog post (since it is a blog) is about a 5000 essay about the fanfic "My Immortal".

and?

SSC is brilliant. He's very smart and does thorough analysis.

And the graph itself is from Our World In Data, a very reliable and trusted and entirely mainstream source.

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TheRock1525
05/27/20 10:45:08 AM
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Cases are literally spiking all over the US thanks to reopening, including places like North Carolina where they saw 1000 new cases.

You are literally factually wrong about this.

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HashtagSEP
05/27/20 10:48:14 AM
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I think the digital console games never go on sale topic proves that Muffin makes broad assumptions based on whatever one source is in front of him at exactly that moment.

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:48:48 AM
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Cases are literally spiking all over the US thanks to reopening

Texas reopened two weeks ago. Yesterday it saw its lowest fatality rate since late March. How can that happen if reopening and lockdowns are the primary variable? How is it even possible?

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SmartMuffin
05/27/20 10:49:09 AM
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HashtagSEP posted...
I think the digital console games never go on sale topic proves that Muffin makes broad assumptions based on whatever one source is in front of him at exactly that moment.

I didn't say they never did. I literally asked. The topic is literally a question.

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Inviso
05/27/20 10:50:14 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...
the dates are indexed to the date after each country first surpassed one in a million cases per capita, to control for "well the disease wasn't there yet" type objections, that's why the lines don't all end in the same point

I'm aware of that. But the graph gives no information as to the cut-off point for the data. It could end on 5/26 and is accurate up to yesterday. Or it could have ended on 4/1, and there are almost two months' worth of data unaccounted for. I have no way of knowing based solely on that graph.

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MoogleKupo141
05/27/20 10:55:02 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...


I didn't say they never did. I literally asked. The topic is literally a question.


the words you typed inside the topic are Why is this just a PC thing? which sounds like you think it doesnt happen on consoles
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TheRock1525
05/27/20 11:01:36 AM
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US Coronavirus cases are rising in Texas, and deaths are a lagging indicator so deaths will rise as well.

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Peace___Frog
05/27/20 11:12:57 AM
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SmartMuffin posted...
Texas reopened two weeks ago. Yesterday it saw its lowest fatality rate since late March. How can that happen if reopening and lockdowns are the primary variable? How is it even possible?
If I cherry pick results and demand that you prove that my conclusions are false, does that make me a real internet debater?

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