Current Events > I'm not too happy that the cop's charges were upgraded to 2nd degree

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I think they upgraded his charges so he has a better chance of a not guilty verdict. Those sly snakes.
He deserves to suffer in prison, but now he may not.

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they had to because they arrested the other 3 cops today.

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I'm sure that they realize that if they do that then all hell will break loose

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A good point was raised by the ACLU about the murder 3 charge, though. Precedent in Minnesota law tends toward murder 3 not being supported if only one person is in danger.

It's a pretty shit situation all around.
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DarkProto05 posted...

I think they upgraded his charges so he has a better chance of a not guilty verdict. Those sly snakes.
He deserves to suffer in prison, but now he may not.

first thing i thought when i saw the upgraded charges was that they're going to have a hell of a time proving it. 3rd degree murder is essentially accidental manslaughter, 2nd degree requires malice.

i remember reading that the guys might have known each other, something about working in the same club for about a year. maybe there's history there.

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Should be murder 1. Either way if the charges don't stick, this country will pay for it dearly. I hope they don't let that happen

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My thoughts exactly tbh. You can see the wheels turning to get the murdering cop acquitted. Bullshit system as usual.

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Diogeknees posted...

Should be murder 1. Either way if the charges don't stick, this country will pay for it dearly. I hope they don't let that happen

Let?

I mean it's a triall... not a military tribunal.

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He will never go to prison if it's involuntary manslaughter. He should face the charges of a murderer because that's what he is.

Collat posted...

He will never go to prison if it's involuntary manslaughter. He should face the charges of a murderer because that's what he is.

What's the point of facing charges if he wont get convicted. The bastard deserves more than just facing murder charges, he deserves a long imprisonment.

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Alteres posted...

Let?

I mean it's a trial... not a military tribunal.

They are letting him go free by upgrading his charges which wont stick.

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DarkProto05 posted...

They are letting him go free by upgrading his charges which wont stick.

They'll reap what they sow

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That could be their angle, I have seen a lot of that stuff about precedent for 3rd degree being talked about as well.

I admit I am not qualified to comment on the intricacies of the law in that regard.

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People were demanding and still are demanding 1st degree murder are they not? Even though that would be even easier for the cop to come out not guilty.

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DarkProto05 posted...

I think they upgraded his charges so he has a better chance of a not guilty verdict. Those sly snakes.
He deserves to suffer in prison, but now he may not.

You think Keith Ellison did that?

k

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DarkProto05 posted...

What's the point of facing charges if he wont get convicted. The bastard deserves more than just facing murder charges, he deserves a long imprisonment.

Which he wont get for involuntary manslaughter even if found guilty.

Collat posted...

Which he wont get for involuntary manslaughter even if found guilty.

Wasn't he set for 20-30 years with 3rd degree? Whilst 2nd degree would bump it to around 40 years if it actually works, which is far less likely than the almost guaranteed 3rd degree charges.

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Oh for fucks sake

The judge will still give the jury instructions that they can find him guilty of manslaughter as well as murder. Just like they did with Zimmerman.

This whole "This just makes it easier to find him not guilty because he can no longer be accused of mansalughter!" stuff is claptrap.

The only difference this makes is sentence and the barganing position of plea deals. Which in both cases, raising the charge is a good thing for people who want justice.

LightHawKnight posted...

People were demanding and still are demanding 1st degree murder are they not?

He should be

Even though that would be even easier for the cop to come out not guilty.

No
IT
WOULDN'T

That's not how the justice system works.

This isn't fucking Phoenix Wright.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Oh for fucks sake

The judge will still give the jury instructions that they can find him guilty of manslaughter as well as murder. Just like they did with Zimmerman.

This whole "This just makes it easier to find him not guilty because he can no longer be accused of mansalughter!" stuff is claptrap.

The only difference this makes is sentence and the barganing position of plea deals. Which in both cases, raising the charge is a good thing for people who want justice.

He should be

No
IT
WOULDN'T

That's not how the justice system works.

This isn't fucking Phoenix Wright.

Do you even know how the justice system works? Going for 1st degree murder would require the prosecution to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. It is much much less likely to be proven guilty.

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They're keeping the original charges you dinguses

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Diogeknees posted...

Should be murder 1. Either way if the charges don't stick, this country will pay for it dearly. I hope they don't let that happen

"I don't know what first degree murder is."

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Well itll be a shame if youre right but it definitely is 2nd degree murder at the very least. He had several people including a firefighter and martial artist begging him for several minutes to stop suffocating Floyd.

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The difference between second and third degree murder is its effectively saying that this was the result of an accident if they go with third degree.

Im expecting the defense to either get everyone to clam up or else insist that this was a valid tactic included in the departments training manual.

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did anyone watch the DA talk at all?
he doesn't seem to have any interest in letting them off, he wants convictions for sure
why would he upgrade the charges in the hope that they don't stick?
like, what?

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The Trent posted...

did anyone watch the DA talk at all?
he doesn't seem to have any interest in letting them off, he wants convictions for sure
why would he upgrade the charges in the hope that they don't stick?
like, what?

He could have been told to. No matter how powerful you are there is someone out there even more powerful.

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Murder 2 and murder 3 are separate charges. If one isn't proven then the other still can be. Its not a case of double jeopardy

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DarkProto05 posted...

He could have been told to. No matter how powerful you are there is someone out there even more powerful.

you'd rather believe that than the DA (who is black) is going to do his best to get a 2nd degree to stick?

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I had a similar issue with the Casey Anthony case. I felt like they were trying to go for the big money when they didn't have enough evidence to prove it, despite the existence of enough evidence to prove a lesser charge.

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This is a silly topic.

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