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Consciousness
07/07/20 5:45:04 AM
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They haven't had any new cases for a while now but in other countries, the death toll keeps going up.
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SoIidLegacy
07/07/20 5:46:34 AM
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Two possibilities:

  1. They lie about their numbers.
  2. They have more obedient citizens.

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UnfairRepresent
07/07/20 5:46:38 AM
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They bordered up the worst parts and trod on all human rights. Then lied about the figures

The west cant do that

also it's not under control there
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AsianFury2020
07/07/20 5:50:19 AM
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They've been in constant communication with Big Gretch.

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alimajor
07/07/20 5:52:21 AM
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SoIidLegacy posted...
Two possibilities:

1. They lie about their numbers.
2. They have more obedient citizens because their leaders have no problems taking them out if they dont comply.

Expanded on that second point for yah

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Spellcaster
07/07/20 5:52:39 AM
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They've had more conflicts with pandemics in the recent past than America. A lot of their "I'm too stupid to wear a mask. Stop being cowards and come out and work wah wah wah" idiots have been shamed out of existence years before this hit, while America seems to put those types of people on a pedestal for some reason.

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pistachio12
07/07/20 5:56:51 AM
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The same way Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong, Vietnam, etc. dealt with it. Citizens of Asian countries trust their governments more, and are more willing to listen to orders from federal officials and wear masks out in public. They also have extensive contract tracing due to previous experience with pandemics.

UnfairRepresent posted...
also it's not under control there

Says who?

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UnholyMudcrab
07/07/20 6:18:53 AM
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Part of it is a collectivist culture that's better suited in general to handling things like this, and part of it is that the government can intervene more directly to prevent people from moving around.
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apolloooo
07/07/20 6:21:36 AM
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SoIidLegacy posted...
They lie about their numbers.


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DocDelicious
07/07/20 6:22:44 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
They bordered up the worst parts and trod on all human rights. Then lied about the figures

The west cant do that

also it's not under control there

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Rika_Furude
07/07/20 6:37:52 AM
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the only countries struggling are the only countries braindead enough to not shut down. so america, italy, and sweden i think oddly enough since they are usually quite competent

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action52
07/07/20 6:51:38 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
also it's not under control there
This is not true. While we certainly shouldn't trust the numbers that the CCP is putting out, there are limits to what they can do. Back when the virus first started getting bad, they tried to keep things under wraps but the news kept getting out. Hospitals were being overwhelmed, doctors were posting on social media how the disease was different than anything they'd seen before. The government tried to crack down and censor them but the news was getting out there. Taiwan was already moving to keep the disease from spreading when 2020 started.

There's just no way China could be posting numbers this low if it were still raging at anything like the rate in America. So the truth seems to be that their draconian measures worked.

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UnfairRepresent
07/07/20 6:53:22 AM
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action52 posted...

This is not true. While we certainly shouldn't trust the numbers that the CCP is putting out, there are limits to what they can do. Back when the virus first started getting bad, they tried to keep things under wraps but the news kept getting out. Hospitals were being overwhelmed, doctors were posting on social media how the disease was different than anything they'd seen before. The government tried to crack down and censor them but the news was getting out there. Taiwan was already moving to keep the disease from spreading when 2020 started.

There's just no way China could be posting numbers this low if it were still raging at anything like the rate in America. So the truth seems to be that their draconian measures worked.

lolwut?

It's not true because they lied before?

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Ricemills
07/07/20 6:55:49 AM
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there are no virus in Ba Sing Se

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Kingbuffet
07/07/20 7:05:54 AM
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Masks. It's simple as that.

Americans have dumb people who think wearing a mask is restricting their freedom.
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Blightzkrieg
07/07/20 7:10:24 AM
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China went hard on containing the virus and wearing masks is more normalized in Asia.

America is also kind of anomalous in its inability to control the virus.

The Chinese numbers are definitely worse than they say (and as the first country hit, they might be even worse than the US) but anyone claiming the US handled it better at this point is lying to themselves.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
07/07/20 7:12:36 AM
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because they can shut and close down entire cities dictator style and everyone goes along with it.


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pistachio12
07/07/20 7:48:25 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
lolwut?

It's not true because they lied before?

Great logic Charlie

How about you provide evidence that it's still raging hard over there?
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LG50
07/07/20 8:02:25 AM
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Because this is the habit of their Govt. to hide about the facts and always lying with the numbers.
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ssjevot
07/07/20 8:06:46 AM
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Plenty of countries did far better than China and never had any lockdowns, etc. I live in one. The key difference is people aren't idiots who think masks are a conspiracy and we need to get together in huge groups and infect each other for freedom. Freedom works great in countries that have responsible citizens that care about other people.

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ssjevot
07/07/20 8:10:31 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
the only countries struggling are the only countries braindead enough to not shut down. so america, italy, and sweden i think oddly enough since they are usually quite competent

Neither Taiwan or Singapore shut down and they have among the best numbers around. Korea and Japan also never did mandatory lockdowns and both have very low numbers compares to the West. The truth is nothing the West legally does will matter much at this point because of cultural issues and refusal to take advice from East Asian countries early on. They started admitting masks work like a month ago in most of the West and many still doubt it.

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HydraSlayer82
07/07/20 8:17:07 AM
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China was literally welding people shut in their own houses.

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Were_Wyrm
07/07/20 8:17:14 AM
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They created it so they have the vaccine and cure, duh.

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ssjevot
07/07/20 8:24:41 AM
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Hirunesukidayo posted...
fine,don't trust the WHO and CDC

I mean you shouldn't, the countries that did best certainly weren't following either of their guidelines. They shut down travel while the WHO insisted there was no need, they used masks when they were saying they didn't work, Taiwan told the WHO back in December it was infectious and they hadn't even acknowledged it existed at that point. Political organizations shouldn't be confused for science. Those organizations have both done incredible harm by causing the public to distrust science.

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Hirunesukidayo
07/07/20 8:30:39 AM
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It also helps that unlike the US and many other western countries that it didn't turn into a political issue. Add in a lot of people insisting that its a fake virus and deny science(fine,don't trust the WHO and CDC)but they do have other options to look for the answers elsewhere,like independent scientists without an agenda or something to sell but isn't easy to find since they get buried and labeled misinformation if not represented heavily by government.

One thing to keep in mind,its not the common cold,influenza flu,its a type of SARS that not be treated as pneumonia,it's pretty sinister when you find out how different it really is and what it can do.

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monkmith
07/07/20 8:41:30 AM
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a combination of being a police state and lying about numbers.

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KainFourteh
07/07/20 8:42:10 AM
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Their population does as they're told.
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Hirunesukidayo
07/07/20 8:49:35 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Hirunesukidayo posted...

I mean you shouldn't, the countries that did best certainly weren't following either of their guidelines. They shut down travel while the WHO insisted there was no need, they used masks when they were saying they didn't work, Taiwan told the WHO back in December it was infectious and they hadn't even acknowledged it existed at that point. Political organizations shouldn't be confused for science. Those organizations have both done incredible harm by causing the public to distrust science.

Thanks for correcting me on that. I should have said take everything both organizations say with a huge grain of salt in addition to the other stuff I said,still a little early here so my bad.

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-Kush-
07/07/20 9:00:39 AM
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Asians are use to wearing masks. It's all new in North America and people here have been spoiled hence some people upset over required masks.

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voldothegr8
07/07/20 9:01:18 AM
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SoIidLegacy posted...
Two possibilities:

1. They lie about their numbers.
2. They have more obedient citizens.

It's both. And the citizens have to be more obedient because of the whole dictatorship thing.
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CableZL
07/07/20 9:02:30 AM
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-Kush-
07/07/20 9:03:01 AM
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Chinese mindset is different than Western society. It's clearly shown in that Netflix docu where the Chinese factory workers are happy with their job, but Americans think otherwise.

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voldothegr8
07/07/20 9:09:51 AM
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-Kush- posted...
Chinese mindset is different than Western society. It's clearly shown in that Netflix docu where the Chinese factory workers are happy with their job, but Americans think otherwise.

You mean to say people under a dictatorship have a different mindset than free folk? Get out.
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iPhone_7
07/07/20 9:13:57 AM
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Police state
lying
more obedient citizens


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monkmith
07/07/20 9:14:46 AM
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-Kush- posted...
Chinese mindset is different than Western society. It's clearly shown in that Netflix docu where the Chinese factory workers are happy with their job, but Americans think otherwise.
lol do they appreciate the suicide nets?

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averagejoel
07/07/20 9:30:06 AM
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why do people think the numbers in china are less trustworthy than the numbers put out by any other government

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ShroomKingJr
07/07/20 9:31:50 AM
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CableZL posted...
China had the sexiest lockdown

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Rika_Furude
07/07/20 9:37:11 AM
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averagejoel posted...
why do people think the numbers in china are less trustworthy than the numbers put out by any other government
because the chinese government is not to be trusted, period.

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monkmith
07/07/20 9:42:03 AM
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averagejoel posted...
why do people think the numbers in china are less trustworthy than the numbers put out by any other government
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/asia/china-
coronavirus-numbers-trust-intl-hnk/index.html

mostly anecdotal evidence and the fact china has a long history of fudging numbers to look good. say what you want about america and its 'fake news' problem, but at least public officials dont get disappeared in the night for speaking out...

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BlockAddition
07/07/20 9:45:22 AM
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Lies, masks and more people following orders/guidelines

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ApoorHollow
07/07/20 9:45:39 AM
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averagejoel posted...
why do people think the numbers in china are less trustworthy than the numbers put out by any other government
Because they were already caught trying to cover up and lying about covid numbers, no?

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DevsBro
07/07/20 9:47:01 AM
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HydraSlayer82 posted...
China was literally welding people shut in their own houses.
This is the biggest thing.

Probably what we should do tbh.

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Cowthief
07/07/20 9:47:40 AM
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In the absence of strong leadership in the Whitehouse all the dogs begin to act like wolves.

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DevsBro
07/07/20 9:49:57 AM
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Cowthief posted...
In the absence of strong leadership in the Whitehouse all the dogs begin to act like wolves.
Eh

Donnie didn't help but let's not pretend "stick it to the man" hasn't been around for decades.

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averagejoel
07/07/20 10:35:59 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
because the chinese government is not to be trusted, period.
so which governments are to be trusted?

monkmith posted...
mostly anecdotal evidence and the fact china has a long history of fudging numbers to look good. say what you want about america and its 'fake news' problem, but at least public officials dont get disappeared in the night for speaking out...
so it's better when the FBI or CIA does it?

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Fenriswolf
07/07/20 10:38:24 AM
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LMAO, it's hilarious to see Americans who can't even locate China on a map let alone speak Chinese lecturing others about China. The Chinese government's missteps were during containment of the virus (hindsight is 20/20) but once they realized the extent of the spread they spared no expenses in imposing an absolute lockdown and travel ban, plus mandatory testing and wearing of masks. China and other East Asian countries experienced SARS and other infectious diseases before, they had the prior experiences, but sadly, the West spent the critical first months from whining about "civil rights violations" to claiming that their political system automatically makes them immune, not to mention outright denials like that coronavirus is no worse than the flu.

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LeperMessiahXX
07/07/20 10:40:22 AM
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China literally chained people into their houses. If they can't contain the virus with those kind of tactics, then no one can.

I'm more upset about Europe doing a better job than the US. I mean good on them, I don't want them to be down in the shit with us, but it just shows it can be beat without going full on authoritative and we just didn't do it.
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Fenriswolf
07/07/20 10:46:39 AM
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ssjevot posted...
Neither Taiwan or Singapore shut down and they have among the best numbers around. Korea and Japan also never did mandatory lockdowns and both have very low numbers compares to the West. The truth is nothing the West legally does will matter much at this point because of cultural issues and refusal to take advice from East Asian countries early on. They started admitting masks work like a month ago in most of the West and many still doubt it.

That's because Taiwan and Singapore are tiny places with easily controllable borders, and so are Korea and Japan. In contrast, China is a developing country with the world's third largest landmass plus the world's largest population. Comparing the response between China and smaller Asian countries without accounting for these factors is just ridiculous.

ssjevot posted...
Hirunesukidayo posted...

I mean you shouldn't, the countries that did best certainly weren't following either of their guidelines. They shut down travel while the WHO insisted there was no need, they used masks when they were saying they didn't work, Taiwan told the WHO back in December it was infectious and they hadn't even acknowledged it existed at that point. Political organizations shouldn't be confused for science. Those organizations have both done incredible harm by causing the public to distrust science.

That's a false claim.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-24/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak

All Taiwan asked WHO was whether COVID19 can have H2H transmissions, but since the genome wasn't mapped until mid January they can't have a definite answer. The Taiwanese government which is currently involved in a spat with the Chinese government then falsely claimed that they "warned" WHO after the crisis worsened to score political points.

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monkmith
07/07/20 10:58:20 AM
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averagejoel posted...
so it's better when the FBI or CIA does it?
i'm sorry, are you saying the FBI and CIA routinely grab american citizens for online shitposters/community activists/news reporters and ship them off to a secret prisons? because if so man i'd be worried if i were you...

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Blue_Popo
07/07/20 10:58:35 AM
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Muh freedom, damn deep state pedos tellin me to wear masks and infringe on my god given gift to breath. Trump 2020

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