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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 6:00:39 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX4c8-QaOK8

tldw: trades done with Pigmen he did within the sample size provided had a 1 in 40,000,000,000 chance of happening, which is almost impossible

context: Dream is the biggest Minecraft content maker, his vids usually get 10+ million views

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littlebro07
10/24/20 6:02:11 PM
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You can speedrun Minecraft? Like there's a way to "beat" the game?

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Shotgunnova
10/24/20 6:28:43 PM
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I am shocked. Shocked.

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The Trent
10/24/20 6:28:59 PM
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Wii_Shaker
10/24/20 6:30:38 PM
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I'm not into Mincraft at all but I am glad that the community is calling out cheaters.

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pegusus123456
10/24/20 6:30:49 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
You can speedrun Minecraft? Like there's a way to "beat" the game?
Sort of. There's a boss called the Ender Dragon and the credits roll when you beat it, but it's not really an ending since there's content you can really only get to if you beat it.

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gunplagirl
10/24/20 6:32:23 PM
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BlockAddition
10/24/20 6:37:24 PM
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Speedrunning srs bsns (unfortunately)

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Prestoff
10/24/20 6:41:52 PM
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He should've been playing Smash Ultimate for Minecraft Steve

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XxKrebsxX
10/24/20 6:42:15 PM
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What the fuck did I just watch?
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Lord_Wombat
10/24/20 7:02:24 PM
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>plays Minecraft for YT views

>speedruns a game that's in no way meant to be a speedrun

>cheats on a record no serious runner would give a shit about

The cringe here is fucking unreal...
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pegusus123456
10/24/20 7:06:18 PM
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Really though, is there other evidence?

It being that unlikely still means it's possible.

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UnfairRepresent
10/24/20 7:09:50 PM
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Why do speedrunners always cheat?

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DeathDeathSong
10/24/20 7:11:17 PM
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i love watching dream, his manhunt series is great, and the smp wars are amazing

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ChocoboMogALT
10/24/20 7:17:52 PM
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Minecraft speedruns are pretty competitive. It's a popular game with both a nostalgic and modern audience. Few games are really made to be speedrun, but that doesn't mean they're not fun or interesting. Why is GameFAQs always so awful about anything regarding speedruns?
Also, cheating in speedrunning is almost inevitable on any level. Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, even YuGiOh all have rather notorious stories about cheating. Hell, the most mainstream videogame player is a notorious cheater.

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UnfairRepresent
10/24/20 7:25:50 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Minecraft speedruns are pretty competitive. It's a popular game with both a nostalgic and modern audience. Few games are really made to be speedrun, but that doesn't mean they're not fun or interesting. Why is GameFAQs always so awful about anything regarding speedruns?
Also, cheating in speedrunning is almost inevitable on any level. Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, even YuGiOh all have rather notorious stories about cheating. Hell, the most mainstream videogame player is a notorious cheater.
I saw the yu gi oh one where the guy hacked the game and a literal 101104eregsh%#%4751 style message came up for one of the cards due to his cheating fucking up the programming

That was hilarious

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Lord_Wombat
10/24/20 7:30:23 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Minecraft speedruns are pretty competitive. It's a popular game with both a nostalgic and modern audience. Few games are really made to be speedrun, but that doesn't mean they're not fun or interesting. Why is GameFAQs always so awful about anything regarding speedruns?
Also, cheating in speedrunning is almost inevitable on any level. Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, even YuGiOh all have rather notorious stories about cheating. Hell, the most mainstream videogame player is a notorious cheater.

Good point, cheating is okay after all
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AzurexNightmare
10/24/20 7:32:27 PM
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Speed runs are crap.

The only fun speed run I've ever seen is RE7 being speed ran but the guy who was talking was a wussy.

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gunplagirl
10/24/20 7:35:55 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Minecraft speedruns are pretty competitive. It's a popular game with both a nostalgic and modern audience. Few games are really made to be speedrun, but that doesn't mean they're not fun or interesting. Why is GameFAQs always so awful about anything regarding speedruns?
Also, cheating in speedrunning is almost inevitable on any level. Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, even YuGiOh all have rather notorious stories about cheating. Hell, the most mainstream videogame player is a notorious cheater.
Who is the player you're talking about

@ChocoboMogALT


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Prestoff
10/24/20 7:40:06 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Minecraft speedruns are pretty competitive. It's a popular game with both a nostalgic and modern audience. Few games are really made to be speedrun, but that doesn't mean they're not fun or interesting. Why is GameFAQs always so awful about anything regarding speedruns?
Also, cheating in speedrunning is almost inevitable on any level. Golden Eye, Super Mario 64, even YuGiOh all have rather notorious stories about cheating. Hell, the most mainstream videogame player is a notorious cheater.

The only pleasure I get from watching speed runs on live stream is when they screw up and break something in their room.

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Mecha Sonic
10/24/20 7:42:01 PM
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call me crazy but i need to see some actual proof before i believe Dream is a cheater

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gunplagirl
10/24/20 7:45:57 PM
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Prestoff posted...
The only pleasure I get from watching speed runs on live stream is when they screw up and break something in their room.
Werster not even being mad because he just said the only thing that can lose him the fight is if x happens, and then it does.

Or him taking time to explain the odds of it happening after.

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Fluttershy
10/24/20 7:48:23 PM
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lol this dude wishes he was robert stack
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Buzz Killjoy
10/24/20 7:53:17 PM
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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 9:24:25 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Really though, is there other evidence?

It being that unlikely still means it's possible.

It's less "unlikely" and more "near impossible, statistically, and all scientific fields disregard such odds because the sigma value is so enormous that the odds are assuredly an anomaly"

for reference; particle physics as a field cuts off things at about a 1 in 3 million chance of being wrong and consider that to be adequately close enough to objectively true.

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Delirious_Beard
10/24/20 9:27:42 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Who is the player you're talking about

@ChocoboMogALT

i assume he's talking about Billy Mitchell

which reminds me that apparently the guy behind all those videos shining light on Billy is apparently a huge piece of shit

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PatrickMahomes
10/24/20 9:27:57 PM
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Prestoff posted...
The only pleasure I get from watching speed runs on live stream is when they screw up and break something in their room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFEDOah9Zpo

this whole series of just "rage in speedrunning" is fantastic

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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 9:30:36 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/DdvSnSi.png

dream's now-deleted response doesn't inspire confidence either since the sample size point he makes is nonsensical

i think the only way the video in my OP is wrong is if it incorrectly obtained the data (i.e. excluded trades or missed ones) or did the math wrong, but nobody's contested the latter and the former wasn't a point made by Dream, sooooo


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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 9:33:39 PM
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Mecha Sonic posted...
call me crazy but i need to see some actual proof before i believe Dream is a cheater

I wouldn't be surprised if his Manhunt series is scripted but I am legitimately surprised such a big youtuber seems to be caught doing something this big when it obviously isn't that hard to grind the math on this and expose it. Problem is? Plenty of speedrunners have done stuff like this. A lot of in-community runners who were respected nuked their careers by cheating in subtle ways that were eventually exposed

Fluttershy posted...
lol this dude wishes he was robert stack

Yeah the skit stuff is whatever I'm mainly interested in the math here

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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 9:35:45 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
You can speedrun Minecraft? Like there's a way to "beat" the game?

Random seed runs are done where you aquire Eyes of Ender and get to The End and beat the Ender Dragon. They're RNG heavy but very competitive and popular probably because runners have to have a good instinct to do good runs since you're working with so many random factors (also Minecraft is HUGE right now)

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dib153
10/24/20 9:37:19 PM
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Oh noooo, some guy cheated in a dated single player children's game, what a disgrace and stain upon the community

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FlameTurtle
10/24/20 9:38:23 PM
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Why are some of you guys so mad about the mere existence of this topic?

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AzurexNightmare
10/24/20 9:41:15 PM
#34:


FlameTurtle posted...
Why are some of you guys so mad about the mere existence of this topic?
Are you on Salvia? You seem to be imagining things lol

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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 9:41:34 PM
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FlameTurtle posted...
Why are some of you guys so mad about the mere existence of this topic?

i dont think anybody is? some are laughing at the idea of minecraft speedrunning being a thing which is fair i guess

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NeonOctopus
10/24/20 9:41:36 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
context: Dream is the biggest Minecraft content maker, his vids usually get 10+ million views
How the fuck do these YouTubers get this many views and I literally never heard of them? >_>

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dib153
10/24/20 9:45:59 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
How the fuck do these YouTubers get this many views and I literally never heard of them? >_>

Cuz they're niche celebrities in a self contained community that doesn't hardly ever crossover into other popular communities with equally as notable content creators

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ChocoboMogALT
10/24/20 10:29:38 PM
#38:


gunplagirl posted...
Who is the player you're talking about

@ChocoboMogALT
Yeah, Billy Mitchell. He's probably not the most "well known" videogamer with how popular youtube and twitch are with younger people, but he's the most mainstream.
There is some debate over how much he really cheated, but he never puts up a good defense of himself and there's plenty of evidence of foul play or impossible scores.

Lord_Wombat posted...
Good point, cheating is okay after all
I never said it was.

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Ziggyshack
10/24/20 10:37:52 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Yeah, Billy Mitchell. He's probably not the most "well known" videogamer with how popular youtube and twitch are with younger people, but he's the most mainstream.
There is some debate over how much he really cheated, but he never puts up a good defense of himself and there's plenty of evidence of foul play or impossible scores.
The only defense I've seen him use so far is to try and sue his detractors into financial oblivion. Not the actions of an honest player IMO.


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The-Apostle
10/24/20 11:16:20 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I saw the yu gi oh one where the guy hacked the game and a literal 101104eregsh%#%4751 style message came up for one of the cards due to his cheating fucking up the programming

That was hilarious
I cheated in Lego Harry Potter Collection once because I was frustrated I had to do a third playthrough (Years 1-4) to get the gold brick achievement. Cheating screwed up the programming.

1st playthrough: 100% everything, no achievement.
2nd playthrough: A Slytherin House Student in Peril glitched because of a mistake I made, costing me a gold brick.
3rd playthrough: I cheated to get a Slytherin character early, screwing up the programming. Every time I tried to enter Slytherin House, I fell through the floor.
4th playthrough (only attempted it after unglitching a gold brick in Years 5-7): I successfully unlocked the achievement.

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Prestoff
10/24/20 11:34:49 PM
#41:


PatrickMahomes posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFEDOah9Zpo

this whole series of just "rage in speedrunning" is fantastic

Thanks, it's honestly a shitty guilty pleasure of mines.

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RoxyReturns
10/24/20 11:40:27 PM
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Mecha Sonic posted...
call me crazy but i need to see some actual proof before i believe Dream is a cheater

LMAO shut the fuck up he posted the video proof, you are just in denial
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The-Apostle
10/24/20 11:43:50 PM
#43:


PatrickMahomes posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFEDOah9Zpo

this whole series of just "rage in speedrunning" is fantastic
"Fuck Illuminati!" made me lol so hard...

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Zero_Destroyer
10/24/20 11:46:18 PM
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RoxyReturns posted...
LMAO shut the fuck up he posted the video proof, you are just in denial

Only way it isn't proof is if there's some bug with how the the distribution rates work, but I'm unaware if similar figures apply to other players

Spreadsheet for reference:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BlapSLxf5TvFBwaFDrB6naooUzHFyq4VP5BKQwQopxU/edit#gid=0

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The Trent
10/24/20 11:46:40 PM
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say that it is not so

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Choco
10/25/20 7:45:24 PM
#48:


FlameTurtle posted...
Why are some of you guys so mad about the mere existence of this topic?
ce is full of psychos who will get mad about literally anything

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Endgame
10/25/20 7:49:29 PM
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Speedrun..... Minecraft?

What?!
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kingdrake2
10/25/20 7:49:34 PM
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The-Apostle posted...
cheated in Lego Harry Potter Collection once


some people had to do so. there was one golden brick that ended up glitching. had to enter one of the brick codes to get a 100% and the trophy/gamerscore depending on system.
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