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09/25/21 10:02:11 AM
#201:


SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
It's not just that, it's Wodin too. Having him over a 5* magicite is going to give you a significant stat boost, and his holy seal and 65 mind gauntlet will boost damage as well. When I use Rem she does 7000 per hit with her sync entry on d350 fodder,

Well first of all you're using dated stuff-- now that I have Mog she does like 6000 on entry (Minwu does more too tho) and if she gets bumped up on damage so does Minwu

Second of all like the relevant facts are number of expected dualcasts, really, since most hits are capping, since they are taking their first 3 turns at roughly the same time as Rem's ATB Speed gets offset by Minwu's fast AASB cast. (It goes Minwu a bit before Rem, same time, Minwu a bit after Rem-- and by a bit I mean like, not by enough that the enemy gets anymore attacks, it's a very small margin on both ends). I mean people doing more damage and Odin 99999 followup is nice but that just skews the fights even shorter.

I mean I don't know why you're arguing this so hard. Just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of game mechanics here. If 2x ATB isn't actually getting you more turns then it doesn't matter. And it doesn't until turn 4 (they're dead by turn 4)

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/25/21 2:59:17 PM
#202:


You're the one basically making a big deal of this, everyone else knows Rem is better than Minwu because every veteran in game knows how overpowered ATB speed boosting syncs are.

But if Minwu is capping on entry then he's basically hit a celling while stuff like enmpower magicte shards and potential future stuff like more record boards, hero artifacts or 7* motes or magicite will close the gap on entry damage.

While I don't have a r8 Minwu awakening, I do have an r7 Alphinaud Awakening, he has the same speed stat as Minwu and that's close enough. I raced them in the Stroke of the Brush since it gives you 2 bars at the start and Alph's awakening only beat Rem sync by this much



Yeah, major difference there

She still reached Turn 3 quicker than Alph did with just Mog Awakening 1 as quickcast, and here's Rem at turn 2



With Allegro con Moto and Mog glint+ she near instant casts her sync command

Here's Rem at turn 3 with that



So yeah, you're really overexaggerating about the ranked awakening cast time and dualcasts making that much of a difference, or you're overlooking that Rem has a 17 speed stat advantage over Minwu. I doubt a scroll is going to make up for that much turn 3 ATB bar gap.

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09/25/21 8:11:42 PM
#203:


Dude I'm posting the turn orders

You're saying I'm the one making a big deal and I'm just saying "these are the observations"

Like you can probably straight math it out but I think you just wanna say "nah bro Rem is the best" and try to like twist out the variables with data that isn't identical and claim I'm lying.

Like I'm just running auto with Rem and Minwu and telling you what happens. 2.0x ATB doesn't matter as much as you think it does with CTs in the mix-- particularly at Speed 5 where input buffering eats a lot of that. You can literally see the only difference by Rem turn 3 is that Yuna goes (very small fraction of a turn) before Minwu and after Rem. I honestly feel like you wouldn't really feel the difference till turn 5

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/25/21 9:03:57 PM
#204:


You're posting the order but not really optimizing the speed of the cast time, hence why Alexander is showing up. Yuna's probably the main reason (I'm not sure why you're bringing a character who gets gimped by fatigue and uses a long soul break animation anyway) using haste RM when it's detrimental on bulkier bosses (especially when Atmos and Byblos slow) And not using Orran with Allegro and Mog glint+, if you have the glint+ that is. Though that's just kinda a bonus/safety net for that Type-0 robot who uses the gravity attack, Rem is still stupid fast without it.

I'll give you benefit of the doubt that on speed 5 it gives the illusion that Minwu's awakening cast time is much faster than it actually rather than call you a liar, but it's clear the fast time you were bragging about with Minwu's rank 8 awakening was clearly overblown with my Alphinaud test.

And 2X ATB doesn't matter? Are you not seeing that Alph there isn't even half full on his third ATB bar when Rem is casting? With a speed advantage like that even if Minwu got a quadcast Rem would have already matched that damage before Minwu got halfway to his third turn, and by that point Wodin would have killed the boss if the party didn't kill it already with dualcasts.

I got a dupe Thief Awakening 1 on LotR tonight, well maybe it will help with Bio Wodin a little I s'pose. It's poison boosting Armor as well.

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LordoftheMorons
09/25/21 9:09:06 PM
#205:


I: 1/3, Echo USB1

No 7*s across all of LotR :/

AASB draw: 3/11: Cid Raines 1, Braska, Golbez

I already have Golbezs sync, so that ones definitely useful

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/25/21 9:24:10 PM
#206:


Congrats on that Golbez awakening! He's a beast with Hero Artifacts and a 6 hit HA.

Man what's with these fest events, it's like it's 4 years late or something. A nerfed Battle Square, unleashed soul break fights that might as well be free and an event you trade orbs for... *5 abilities? Seriously?

I know people hated the stairs from the last fest but c'mon, this doesn't even feel like a fest anymore. Doesn't even feel like Golden Week.

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09/26/21 12:55:19 AM
#207:


Yuna uses summoning which isn't gimped by fatigue really. I could just have her start by spamming The Sending but I'm not sure if that makes me die on some bosses-- may try it but I'm clearing really fast now so not a huge drive to.

I'd just say run your team with speed 5 on full auto, put your rank 7 Awakening in Rem's slot, compare turn progression on each, and be in awe of how little Rem's fast atb speed actually matters in full auto. Yes it makes her faster but it makes her fractional ticks faster and it takes several turns for those fractional ticks to actually net her actions. Like I'm posting turn order and measuring clear times. Like you talk about about "If I get an extra cast I kill such and such before they get a turn" now imagine you get extra casts twice as often

Also realize that I am getting out the initial summon out faster due to haste rm which probably shaves off a few turns in my turn order from the summon follow up due to squeaking it out a second faster.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 1:24:30 AM
#208:


Tried it on speed 5, Rem still wins and easily, Alph didn't do a third cast before Wodin came out. Must be a phone performance thing because it doesn't happen on Bluestacks.

Also when I said dualcasts I didn't mean Rem/Minwu I meant Fusoya and Iris dualcasting. It doesn't matter if Minwu gets a quadcast because even if Rem doesn't triplecast she still landed 24 hits before Minwu's third ATB bar is half full and if the boss is still somehow alive then Wodin finishes him off before Minwu can even do his third cast. I put dualcast white magic RM on Fusoya and Iris because they cap/near cap anyway, especially if Fusoya land more imperls killing bulky bosses faster. The main reason is so they have a higher chance of pushing the boss to 70% or 40% HP so they start a new phase and reset their ATB bar leading to no boss action win.

Also seems like a meh return on getting Alexander out ASAP with haste RM, he only does 30000 damage on follow up, and that's crapped on even more by Marrillis and FF11's Alexander's damage reductions. A dualcast by a white mage capping does more damage. If it was Wodin I'd get it since he still hits over 90000 even on third phase but Alexander?

Lopen posted...
I could just have her start by spamming The Sending but I'm not sure if that makes me die on some bosses-- may try it but I'm clearing really fast now so not a huge drive to.

No boss in labyrinth does enough damage to be a threat besides Atmos and the Lunasaurs (and that's because of reflecting Holyja, not their actual attacks) If you're fast enough you they won't even attack more than twice, or at all and as far as I know no bosses use overstrike attacks. Maybe the Type-0 robot because he messes with Rem because she gets synergy and outspeeds Mog but he wastes turns hasting himself anyway.

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Kaxon
09/26/21 1:31:35 AM
#209:


I would have liked the depths if they didn't make you repeat every fight five times, with ridiculous amounts of HP. Agree everything in this one so far seems super easy,but at least there's lots of mythril.

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09/26/21 1:34:48 AM
#210:


The reason I'm hasting Alexander out is so I have the right characters doing the right things since I don't want to manually enter in turns as gaining a few seconds in clear speed isn't worth spending way more than that paying attention to the game since I'd have to sit through the load screen and a few animations. Has nothing to do with wanting him out faster has everything to do with burning turns on less valuable characters.

And my phone performs better than bluestacks having used bluestacks on a fairly high end gaming PC before (my phone is a Galaxy S20 so also fairly high end). But frankly your take on how many ticks are lost to speed 5 is pretty much at odds with everything I've read from people on this game-- it's why no one uses wait mode on high end content. You lose a ton of efficiency in chain duration and ATB speed boosts.

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09/26/21 1:36:37 AM
#211:


Also turn 3 should basically be a dead heat. Like my experience has been

Turn 1 Minwu slightly faster
Turn 2 exactly even, maybe one or the other is slightly faster but the turn order is always identical
Turn 3 Rem slightly faster, but basically the same instant (it's Rem winning tiebreaker vs Yuna's turn and Minwu losing it but they're all doing a full charged attack at the same time)

is Alph the turn just after Wodin in your testing? How many turns are inserting between Rem 3 and Alph 3

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 1:40:42 AM
#212:


But I'm talking full auto, my semi manual team is Rosa/Arc and my full auto is Orran/Iris. The Orran/Iris team still 3 turns every non bulky/shell user in labyrinth.

Were you using an older version of Bluestacks? My computer is like 7 years old and it still runs FFRK better than my 2 year old phone (especially on 6* magicite, lags like molasses against Ramuh and it makes me wonder if the game crashed when using Kite's shop.)

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09/26/21 1:51:49 AM
#213:


My last phone (LG G5) lagged on record keeper a bit

Galaxy s20 has never had a bit of lag. The game isn't well optimized for Android but the phone squashes its spec requirements.

I dont think lag actually screws with turn orders anyway. Usually presents in like soul breaks slowing the game down

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MalcolmMasher
09/26/21 1:56:52 AM
#214:


I drew on both Awakening Lucky Draws, yesterday and today. Got a total of one new AASB: Rafa's. Welp, there goes 50 Mythril, but it's not like I can claim I was surprised.

I did also get an Edge AASB dupe, so maybe that'll save me two Scrolls of Honing down the line.
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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 2:20:26 AM
#215:


I did some experimenting in speed 5 and Alph does gets closer (I put him in slot 4 and Rem in slot 5) but Rem still wins, maybe not as decisively as she does in speed 1 but she still gets the third turn first and Wodin comes out before Alph finishes casting. The boss does get a few more attacks in but nothing threating. (also it's annoying because I can't bring Orran in soul breakless so I have to do a quick soul breaks off so he can use Allegro then quickly turn it back on so Mog can use glint+, that said even without one of them Rem still wins)

Wodin's kinda iffy, if Allegro and Mog Glint+ both activate Rem beats Wodin, if only one activates then Wodin beats Rem, still both of them outspeed Alph and the boss is most likely dead before Alph finishes his third turn cast. It happened to Ahriman



Besides if you're worried about damage just leave the battle speed at 1-3, you rarely see boss attacks which is a time saver anyway.

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09/26/21 2:55:05 AM
#216:


Eh boss attacks would be offset by the slower charge rates since overall the goal is real time speed not turn speed. Most bosses have fairly quick animations on the whole. The idea of auto running at speed 1 while trying to keep real time efficiency high is ridiculous. Speed 3 might be okay but I feel even that one likely loses overall speed.

Side note I did a run with Yuna using The Sending and while I was at no risk of dying the average times were actually worse I think. Basically the reason bring that two The Sending animations on double speed arent actually taking significantly longer than Glint + For The Calm, and their damage isn't always higher either (really only when Yuna is at 9+ fatigue). What's more is Yuna gets turn 3 quicker with Glint + AASB and hits really hard on her turn 3 as she's got break damage limit twincast and summon math so tankier foes like Alexander who can survive three Minwu/Rem turns fold significantly faster.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 3:09:07 AM
#217:


Nidhogg has some long attack animations though, I'd rather 1 speed no action him than sit through his slow fireball attack. Same with Brynhildr (though she's a little trickier to no damage since she's pretty fast as well) Besides I don't think you're losing that much real time on speed 1 anyway with Rem being on turbo ATB.

Also on speed 5 it also makes haste RM more questionable if the bars fill up so fast anyway, you might as well just use Iris as the magicite caster and give her dualcast or damage+ RM to deal with tankier bosses. That way it frees up Fusoya to imperil.

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LordoftheMorons
09/26/21 3:53:52 AM
#218:


Phew, eked out that honing scroll (lost a medal for actions taken)

Galuf was basically soloing the last two bosses since Noctis and Biggs ran out of hones... Galuf having way too much stuff to juggle as my chain holder finally paid off!

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LordoftheMorons
09/26/21 9:17:21 AM
#219:


Fear ticket #1: 2/10, Haurchefant AASB, Vivi USB3

The Haurchefant AASB is a FBC which is nice, though I dont think hed make the team for the DK anyway. This is my first non-complete-garbage Vivi relic other than his chain, but unfortunately its ice/lightning instead of fire.

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09/26/21 9:45:53 AM
#220:


I've never seen Nidhogg do anything since swapping my team composition. Don't need any tricasts to kill him before The Scarlet Price every time.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 10:23:11 AM
#221:


Well I was just assuming you might get hit on speed 5, I haven't done a manual run since I got my Ceodore 5% armor a couple days ago. I don't really want to do anymore manual runs until the fire labyrinth stuff comes out since I have most of the current artifacts at 5/5/8 and I don't care about Yang, Cid 4 and Parom. I only have 65 magic keys left too and I don't want to waste them on those 3 or more Golbez dupes, gotta save them for Braska since his stuff isn't dropped by the Snow Giant..

First ticket got me dupe Prompto Awakening and Tifa DYAD! Yes! I wonder how to use her now in my Kalavinka Striker team, I guess replace Gladiolus since Galuf has chain and Dorgann can imperil. Maybe I can I use her to get a better time on Bahamut as well? She does have Hero gear.

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MalcolmMasher
09/26/21 11:56:56 AM
#222:


I like how the Job Mote events from this festival are weak against the elements their job can use and resistant to the others. Of course, they're still just speedbumps, so I'm using my crystal farming auto-battle team against them anyway. But I do appreciate the thought!

This is my first non-complete-garbage Vivi relic other than his chain, but unfortunately its ice/lightning instead of fire.

I was going to comment that Ultima can count as ice/lightning damage while benefiting from a fire chain (quirky Ultima shenanigans amuse me) but it turns out that Vivi USB3 cares about Black Magic, regardless of element. So if you do end up trying to make it work in a fire party, you can stick with normal fire magic and still get the self-buffs and extra hits.

Without a chain, will the extra hits be worth caring about? ...Probably not so much.

And hey, if you don't have any other relevant relics for Vivi, with USB3 only he's just as not-complete-garbage at water as he is at ice and lightning! (It's been a while, but... did this relic come out around the same time as Voltech? That's the only reason I can think of for random water-element on Vivi.)
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Kaxon
09/26/21 12:18:47 PM
#223:


I got Mog G+ on the daily (party medica and fastcast)

Gladio glint, Shadow LM, and Enna Kros LM with the ticket.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 1:59:06 PM
#224:


Kaxon posted...
I got Mog G+ on the daily (party medica and fastcast)

If it's new congrats! It can seriously mean the difference between life and death in stuff like phase 2 mega flare or Nexus bosses dead ends.

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Kaxon
09/26/21 2:03:27 PM
#225:


Thanks, it is new but I don't have any of his good relics yet so I need to get those before I can use it. I have too many dupes to pull on b5 so I probably would need to spend a dream select on it if I want his awakening.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 2:06:59 PM
#226:


Oh you didn't get his awakening 2 from that 100 mythril select a couple fests ago? Bummer.

I think it's dream selectable from now on starting with the next Dream select, I'd get both awakening and hone his second one. He's easily one of the game's best investments.

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Kaxon
09/26/21 2:29:08 PM
#227:


No, that banner was all dupes for me, literally nothing good on it. And spending 100 mythril would have meant not being able to get 10 stamps on the fest. So I took sync select+chance to draw good stuff over awakening selection + dupes

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/26/21 6:08:14 PM
#228:


Tried Kalavinka Striker with Tifa, still can't win even with overdrive, ugh. I can get to phase 4 pretty easily at least. She does good with dyad+ Ability double USB as a semi awakening, she's a lot faster than Gladiolus which is helpful. I also don't have her dualcast lmr, but with 9 more tickets I think I should wait on getting it from the Record Laboratory in case I do get it with one of those.

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Kaxon
09/26/21 9:12:35 PM
#229:


100 gems: Rydia dyad!
3/11 - Rinoa G+, dupe Rinoa G+, dupe Rydia dyad
3/11 - Alisaie G+, Ashe Limit glint, Rydia awakening 2

Pretty much all consolation prizes, although at least the consolation prizes on this banner are good. I'm very glad to get another Rydia awakening. That Rinoa glint is a better version of the 1st half of a dyad. I really would have liked Elarra's sync though, and Rydia's new sync, and/or Rinoa's Zidane-style sync.

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Ultimaphazon
09/27/21 12:07:55 AM
#230:


I did a pull on banner 1 and hit a very nice 4/11:
Ashe LBG, Alisaie LBO, Elarra Sync, Rinoa Sync

The first 2 relics are whatever, but Elarra's Sync is nice and Rinoa's Sync was one of my most wanted relics this fest.
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LordoftheMorons
09/27/21 7:57:03 AM
#231:


Finally finished my last Dark Odin



I screwed up with my healing at the end there because I was dumb and forgot to save two bars for Deuce; luckily Seymours sync has some hp stock sorcery going on and I avoided wiping at at 1%. This time I actually outraced his dumb four slot sleep which was the really annoying part last time I tried this

This team actually has five BDLs and a chain (although two of the BDLs are on my chainer), so I should probably try to take down Alexander...

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LordoftheMorons
09/27/21 9:07:56 AM
#232:


Fest ticket #2:

4/10: Snow AASB2 (dupe), Luneth USB2, Quistis USB1, Barret BSB

Got my hopes up there!

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Ultimaphazon
09/27/21 9:27:32 AM
#233:


1/10 Noctis AOSB
Not bad, but after already getting his LBO 2 weeks ago, this isn't that great anymore. I guess, maybe there could be time for 2 finishers in some cases.
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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/27/21 10:33:37 AM
#234:


I got a dupe Ultimecia Awakening. At least it's a rank up for a character on my Sandworm/Dragonking team.

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09/27/21 11:55:23 AM
#235:


So what the heck should I even be aiming for on Edward's artifacts? Holy damage seems fairly pointless but at the same time the best one due to starting resistance and damage barriers being even more pointless?

I mean I guess not caring about the percentage is nice.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/27/21 12:06:53 PM
#236:


Delay reduction. It's pretty much the only thing he can use.


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09/27/21 12:28:31 PM
#237:


Oh I didn't think delay reduction was on any of his gear aside from the accessory guess I've just been unlucky with the draws so far

They cap at 5%?

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Kaxon
09/27/21 12:37:51 PM
#238:


3/10 - Reno sync, dupe Luneth OSB, Gau glint

I hope I'm not wasting my luck on characters I don't like.

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/27/21 12:44:20 PM
#239:


Yes it caps a 5%.

I wish I got that Reno sync, I need a third character with two magic lighting cap breaks for Nexus Kraken.

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Kaxon
09/27/21 12:52:19 PM
#240:


I would give it to you if I could! I don't like him, I still only have one cap break for him, and I have two for Vivi and Edge so they'll probably get the job done.

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09/27/21 1:05:35 PM
#241:


I've been getting Reno stuff these draws too

Got Reno AASB (the one with the overflow lightning reflect damage, not sure if that's his first or if he has two and it's the second) and got his Limit Overflow very recently too from something or other.

I'd like his sync! I could use him on my lightning teams then!

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Ultimaphazon
09/27/21 1:59:01 PM
#242:




16/16 Argent Odin
Not exactly super-fast, but there was never really any danger of losing.

Rinoa's new Sync, Ysayle USB and Edea CSB got him to 75% before Argent Zantetsuken.
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09/27/21 2:16:42 PM
#243:


SSJSephirothGokuX123 posted...
Delay reduction. It's pretty much the only thing he can use.

So I'm looking and I'm not seeing delay reduction on armor on anyone

Is it only his weapon that can get it and I should just go with the 5% holy damage on the armor?

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/27/21 3:56:45 PM
#244:


Huh I checked myself and maybe there is no delay reduction on armor. Never noticed that, but then again Edward is the only character that has come up so far where delay reduction is better than damage.

I guess damage barrier for armor I suppose, I wouldn't really bother with holy damage since he's only going to do weakass 3 hits, unless you really need to build chain you'd be better off using Goddess Paean.

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LordoftheMorons
09/27/21 6:45:44 PM
#245:


Noticed I finally had enough souls to finish unlocking all of the characters

I have literally never heard of most of these Beyond guys; what games are they even from?

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
09/27/21 8:12:27 PM
#246:


They're from Final Fantasy Dimensions 2 (Morrow, Aemo, Wrieg) World of Final Fantasy (Lann, Reyn, Enna Kros, Tama, Serafae) or Final Fantasy Brave Exvius (Rain, Fina, Lasswell)

The Dimensions 2 characters are completely useless because they haven't had a new relic in like 5 years, well Morrow is okay as an entrustbot but he doesn't have a record board so you might as well use Shelke.

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WhiteLens
09/27/21 9:51:53 PM
#247:


You know, I don't know why DeNA has never added Crystal Chronicles to the game.

Would've been a decent way to add more Beyond characters and even put it in the Realm Dungeons.

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Lopen
09/27/21 9:56:55 PM
#248:


Still holding out for Bravely Default characters but will probably never happen

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LordoftheMorons
09/27/21 10:50:38 PM
#249:


Old man banner is tempting for FFV favoritism reasons; too bad its happening during fest!

Actually, how does the team work exactly? If you want all four old men in your party (and presumably a healer) do you just not bring a support and all of the old man synergy effects make up for it?

Speaking of tie-ins, I recently saw that Japan got DQ dress records for Tyro/Elarra and Im very sad that we didnt...!

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MalcolmMasher
09/27/21 11:51:41 PM
#250:


Actually, how does the team work exactly? If you want all four old men in your party (and presumably a healer) do you just not bring a support and all of the old man synergy effects make up for it?

The one who really cares about having a full Dawn Warriors party is Xezat, and Xezat AASB gives such a team 100% Crit and Crit Damage Up on entry for free. So, he does indeed cover your support requirements. (You'd also want a healer with quick cast, ideally, because Xezat AASB only gives two turns of that.)
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