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hockeybub89
09/24/21 10:41:58 PM
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No, anti-vaxxers, pharmacies are not going to let you kill yourself because you don't trust vaccines. Why aren't you worried about what's in ivermectin or how there are no studies that prove it safe at high, extended time period doses?

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Lost_All_Senses
09/24/21 10:43:29 PM
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They don't understand hypocrisies.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 12:24:29 PM
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A 14 week course for acute COVID! What the fuck?! These teladoc quacks needs to be imprisoned.

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itachi15243
09/25/21 12:27:33 PM
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Are you more sick of narcotic seeking individuals or covid related "medicine" seeking individuals

Also how do you feel about that new trend on nebulizing hydrogen peroxide to "disinfect the covid" from your longs trend

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LightHawKnight
09/25/21 12:27:36 PM
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I mean if they are getting the prescription, it should be for human use and therefore not kill like horse paste. Still stupid, but at least not as stupid. Though arent they now on huffing iodine or whatever?

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Mearcstapa
09/25/21 12:27:52 PM
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These ivermectin morons need a good beatdown.

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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/21 12:28:00 PM
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stop treating us like animals and give us the Ivermectin already, Fauci!
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ScazarMeltex
09/25/21 12:28:49 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
A 14 week course for acute COVID! What the fuck?! These teladoc quacks needs to be imprisoned.
It's a grift for a ton of these doctors. To a degree I get it, these dumb assholes are going to get their horse dewormer somehow, better that it be dispensed in it's proper form and dosage by a professional than bought at a livestock store so that it's less likely to kill them or cause permanent damage. And you get to grift idiots for cash.

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 12:34:08 PM
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I dont understand why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about a known medication rofl, lets just do trials? if it works like they say it does then yay? we got nothing to lose really
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Solar_Crimson
09/25/21 12:36:40 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
I dont understand why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about a known medication rofl, lets just do trials? if it works like they say it does then yay? we got nothing to lose really
They've already tested it and it has shown to have no benefits in treating COVID.

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 12:38:01 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
They've already tested it and it has shown to have no benefits in treating COVID.
but some doctors are saying otherwise in India and Japan at least, all Ive seen from the FDA is that it isnt proven yet meaning not enough research has been done

Im not blindly believing its a miracle cure like these anti vaxxers but lets keep our options open?
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ScazarMeltex
09/25/21 12:38:13 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
They've already tested it and it has shown to have no benefits in treating COVID.
Which doesn't matter because the people wanting it place no value in trials, or science and expertise. They didn't reason themselves into that position so you aren't going to reason them out of it. They've been conditioned to not trust anything that doesn't come from one of their little cult's leaders.

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LightHawKnight
09/25/21 12:39:30 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Which doesn't matter because the people wanting it place no value in trials, or science and expertise. They didn't reason themselves into that position so you aren't going to reason them out of it. They've been conditioned to not trust anything that doesn't come from one of their little cult's leaders.

Apparently the group that pushed horse paste is the same group that pushed hydroxychloroquine. Wonder what stupid shit they are pushing out next.

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ScazarMeltex
09/25/21 12:42:24 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Apparently the group that pushed horse paste is the same group that pushed hydroxychloroquine. Wonder what stupid shit they are pushing out next.
I would guess it will be something else in which the leadership of that group has a vested interest in seeing their sales go up.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 12:43:58 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
I dont understand why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about a known medication rofl, lets just do trials? if it works like they say it does then yay? we got nothing to lose really
We know a lot of medications. Still doesn't mean pharmacists are going to fill a tramadol prescription for 600% the recommended dose. Do trials and update the guidance passed on the findings.

Medicine isn't just found to be safe or not safe. There are restrictions on what it's used for and how it's dosed. It's not like "I'll have a drink" in a movie.

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LeperMessiahXX
09/25/21 12:44:51 PM
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I don't even get the logic behind using it. The vaccine is bad because they rushed it and that means it's not a proven commodity so they won't take it, but ivermectin is good even though there is next to no research to suggest it helps in any way.

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LightHawKnight
09/25/21 12:46:17 PM
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LeperMessiahXX posted...
I don't even get the logic behind using it. The vaccine is bad because they rushed it and that means it's not a proven commodity so they won't take it, but ivermectin is good even though there is next to no research to suggest it helps in any way.

They think medicine currently in use is safe and can be used without any problems. Even though that is not how medicine works at all.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 12:46:39 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Are you more sick of narcotic seeking individuals or covid related "medicine" seeking individuals

Also how do you feel about that new trend on nebulizing hydrogen peroxide to "disinfect the covid" from your longs trend
I'm sick of both of them, though at least the doctor aren't typically involved when we see someone trying to overfill a narcotic. Also, what the fuck, sounds like Trump's inject bleach shit.

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Tyranthraxus
09/25/21 12:47:36 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
It's a grift for a ton of these doctors. To a degree I get it, these dumb assholes are going to get their horse dewormer somehow, better that it be dispensed in it's proper form and dosage by a professional than bought at a livestock store so that it's less likely to kill them or cause permanent damage. And you get to grift idiots for cash.

Yeah I feel like the doctors are banking on pharmacies to not fill the prescription so they can just grift insurance money from idiots who want ivermectin.

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 12:49:07 PM
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anyway I just read there are several ongoing trials for ivermectin, we might have reliable data on it by 2022, hopefully antivaxxers turns out to be right, would be best for everyone really
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hockeybub89
09/25/21 12:49:15 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
They think medicine currently in use is safe and can be used without any problems. Even though that is not how medicine works at all.
Ironic that they will mindlessly shove handfuls of drugs into their mouths because they heard it was safe (ignoring approved dosing and use), but won't take a vaccine because they don't trust the people who declare medicine safe.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 12:51:03 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
anyway I just read there are several ongoing trials for ivermectin, we might have reliable data on it by 2022, hopefully antivaxxers turns out to be right, would be best for everyone really
Do any of those studies point to ivermectin being safe for daily use over months? That would be a huge change from anything known pre-pandemic.

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 1:45:47 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Do any of those studies point to ivermectin being safe for daily use over months? That would be a huge change from anything known pre-pandemic.
well the trials are ongoing, there is no conclusion yet, we need more time, the few studies that were available were deemed not reliable enough because they came from poorer countries
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ToadallyAwesome
09/25/21 1:57:20 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
anyway I just read there are several ongoing trials for ivermectin, we might have reliable data on it by 2022, hopefully antivaxxers turns out to be right, would be best for everyone really

I know your doing some weird form of trolling but it really sounds like your trying to be like Im totes not anti-vaxx but ivermectin could totally maybe work in 2022!

So either pick a lane or fuck off about ivermectin until its actually relevant.

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iPhone_7
09/25/21 2:01:49 PM
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I think people just dont like the needle. Theres some primal part of their brain that is resistant to the thought of letting something sharp break through your skin and injecting stuff.

Theyd be more honest if they just straight up said no because needless. I still think it would be dumb, but at least we wouldnt have to deal with bulls*** like using horse medicine

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 2:04:15 PM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
I know your doing some weird form of trolling but it really sounds like your trying to be like Im totes not anti-vaxx but ivermectin could totally maybe work in 2022!

So either pick a lane or fuck off about ivermectin until its actually relevant.
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ToadallyAwesome
09/25/21 2:06:13 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
stop being weird man, you're being weird

And game, set, match.

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ThunderTrain
09/25/21 2:06:27 PM
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What's wrong with just letting those idiots take it?

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BroodRyu
09/25/21 2:06:49 PM
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Im very thankful that Ive only seen one person thus far ask about Ivermectin at our pharmacy.
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hockeybub89
09/25/21 2:07:09 PM
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ThunderTrain posted...
What's wrong with just letting those idiots take it?
Ethics

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BroodRyu
09/25/21 2:07:49 PM
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ThunderTrain posted...
What's wrong with just letting those idiots take it?
Im going to assume that the liability for their harm or death would fall on the pharmacist (and doctor) who wrote and filled the ivermectin. No respectable pharmacist is going to want to touch those prescriptions with a fifty foot pole.
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ThunderTrain
09/25/21 2:31:09 PM
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BroodRyu posted...
Im going to assume that the liability for their harm or death would fall on the pharmacist (and doctor) who wrote and filled the ivermectin. No respectable pharmacist is going to want to touch those prescriptions with a fifty foot pole.

Just draft up some waiver form for those people.

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spikethedevil
09/25/21 2:34:00 PM
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yemmy
09/25/21 3:06:01 PM
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Again TC acting like he's smarter than a real ass doctor

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spikethedevil
09/25/21 3:09:20 PM
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And another alt appeared.

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ROOTFayth
09/25/21 3:10:29 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
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joe40001
09/25/21 3:11:01 PM
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What the World Health Organization says about it:

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials
WHO advises that ivermectin only be used to treat COVID-19 within clinical trials
31 March 2021
The current evidence on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 patients is inconclusive. Until more data is available, WHO recommends that the drug only be used within clinical trials.
This recommendation, which applies to patients with COVID-19 of any disease severity, is now part of WHOs guidelines on COVID-19 treatments.

Ivermectin is a broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent, included in WHO essential medicines list for several parasitic diseases. It is used in the treatment of onchocerciasis (river blindness), strongyloidiasis and other diseases caused by soil transmitted helminthiasis. It is also used to treat scabies.

A guideline development group was convened in response to the increased international attention on ivermectin as a potential treatment for COVID-19. This group is an independent, international panel of experts, which includes clinical care experts in multiple specialties and also include an ethicist and patient-partners.

The group reviewed pooled data from 16 randomized controlled trials (total enrolled 2407), including both inpatients and outpatients with COVID-19. They determined that the evidence on whether ivermectin reduces mortality, need for mechanical ventilation, need for hospital admission and time to clinical improvement in COVID-19 patients is of very low certainty, due to the small sizes and methodological limitations of available trial data, including small number of events.
The panel did not look at the use of ivermectin to prevent COVID-19, which is outside of scope of the current guidelines.

Note to the editor:
Previous recommendations on the use of therapeutics for COVID-19:
Strong recommendation for the use systemic corticosteroids for severe or critically ill COVID-19 patients; with a conditional recommendation against their use in patients with mild/moderate COVID-19
Conditional recommendation against administering remdesivir in addition to usual care.
Strong recommendation against the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for treatment of COVID-19 of any severity
Strong recommendation against administering lopinavir/ritonavir for treatment of COVID-19 of any severity
Conditional recommendation for the use of low dose anticoagulants in hospitalized patients (this recommendation is part of the clinical management guidelines). We suggest the use of low doseanticoagulants rather than higher doses, unless otherwise indicated.


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WeeWeiWiiWie
09/25/21 3:16:38 PM
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joe40001 posted...
What the World Health Organization says about it:

The only positive results for Ivermectin come from studies that either are confirmed to be fabricated or highly suspected of it. Should tell you what you need to know.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 4:17:30 PM
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yemmy posted...
Again TC acting like he's smarter than a real ass doctor
Here's a man who thinks pharmacies are pill mills.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 4:20:57 PM
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ThunderTrain posted...
Just draft up some waiver form for those people.
Surely nothing could go wrong from dispensing drugs to whoever whenever as long as they sign a waiver. Should people be allowed to sign a waiver to force a doctor to chop off their fingers if they demand it?

This is why healthcare as a business doesn't work at every level. Patients think they can haggle with their provider. This isn't fucking Burger King.

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Trumble
09/25/21 4:21:05 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Apparently the group that pushed horse paste is the same group that pushed hydroxychloroquine. Wonder what stupid shit they are pushing out next.
Betadine.

And yep, it's just as bogus.

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ThePieReborn
09/25/21 4:24:55 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Surely nothing could go wrong from dispensing drugs to whoever whenever as long as they sign a waiver. Should people be allowed to sign a waiver to force a doctor to chop off their fingers if they demand it?

This is why healthcare as a business doesn't work at every level. Patients think they can haggle with their provider. This isn't fucking Burger King.
Not all waivers are enforceable, especially where the conduct at issue could/would qualify as gross negligence.

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hockeybub89
09/25/21 4:32:11 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Not all waivers are enforceable, especially where the conduct at issue could/would qualify as gross negligence.
This is why I don't to get the people who say we should let anti-vaxxers fuck off and die. It requires gross negligence and a total abandonment of ethics to allow them to do that. Better for anti-vaxxers to think everyone in medicine is a two-faced piece of shit than to confirm it.

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brestugo
09/25/21 4:55:30 PM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
I know your doing some weird form of trolling but it really sounds like your trying to be like Im totes not anti-vaxx but ivermectin could totally maybe work in 2022!

So either pick a lane or fuck off about ivermectin until its actually relevant.
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brestugo
09/25/21 4:56:07 PM
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Just say "neigh" to ivermectin.

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One_Day_Remains
09/25/21 4:57:10 PM
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yemmy posted...
Again TC acting like he's smarter than a real ass doctor


Do you just post random words to see them appear on the screen
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TheGoldenEel
09/25/21 5:05:50 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
but some doctors are saying otherwise in India and Japan at least, all Ive seen from the FDA is that it isnt proven yet meaning not enough research has been done

Im not blindly believing its a miracle cure like these anti vaxxers but lets keep our options open?
Thing is people are not keeping their options open

they are blindly adhering to ivermectin because its what the grifters they listen are pushing despite no real evidence it works

there are other cheap drugs that have shown promise and no one cares about those for some reason

but also, theres a mother fucking vaccine readily available in the US

https://www.wired.com/story/better-data-on-ivermectin-is-finally-on-its-way/


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Ruvan22
09/25/21 5:06:19 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
anyway I just read there are several ongoing trials for ivermectin, we might have reliable data on it by 2022, hopefully antivaxxers turns out to be right, would be best for everyone really

How exactly would that turn out to be "best for everyone"? If ivermectin wasn't being pushed this hard, some people on the fence might get the vaccine (HCA has shown this) which would be better
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VigorouslySwish
09/25/21 5:09:01 PM
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imagine wanting to avoid admitting you were wrong so badly that you start practicing alternative medicine you read about on facebook

just wow

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WeeWeiWiiWie
09/25/21 5:09:32 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
well the trials are ongoing, there is no conclusion yet, we need more time, the few studies that were available were deemed not reliable enough because they came from poorer countries

https://gizmodo.com/ivermectin-research-has-a-big-fraud-problem-scientists-1847730533/

No, they were deemed unreliable because they were fraudulent.


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