Current Events > So sick and tired of seeing ivermectin prescriptions

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hockeybub89 posted...

I literally focused on your first point. I agree ivermectin is more than horse dewormer, but it being safe and essential doesn't mean jack shit about whether it works for COVID. Lots of safe and essential drugs are harmful beyond their normal dosing or dangerous/useless outside of their intended use.

Exactly. And we should just be honest about it.

The kind of shit CNN and many others have done around ivermectin is willfully misleading.

The honest truth is that Ivermectin is a very safe medication not currently approved for COVID treatment as the evidence for it is inconclusive in the eyes of major health organizations. They are continuing to do clinical trials.

Vaccines are known to be effective, and have a good safety profile.

That's the honest truth, that's how we need to talk to people. Not bad faith gaslighting.

A lot of the issues around people who don't get vaccinated makes them up to be nothing but ignorant stupid assholes, but there are more factors at play. A big factor is a lack of public trust in news and organizations, and anytime people in these places of power lie or warp the truth they grow the lack of trust that everybody seems to dislike the consequences of.

jakehouse1996 posted...

Exactly. And we should just be honest about it.

The kind of shit CNN and many others have done around ivermectin is willfully misleading.

The honest truth is that Ivermectin is a very safe medication not currently approved for COVID treatment as the evidence for it is inconclusive in the eyes of major health organizations. They are continuing to do clinical trials.

Vaccines are known to be effective, and have a good safety profile.

That's the honest truth, that's how we need to talk to people. Not bad faith gaslighting.

A lot of the issues around people who don't get vaccinated makes them up to be nothing but ignorant stupid assholes, but there are more factors at play. A big factor is a lack of public trust in news and organizations, and anytime people in these places of power lie or warp the truth they grow the lack of trust that everybody seems to dislike the consequences of.

There is no proof that it is very safe for COVID though. Pharmacists are literally denying filling the prescriptions because the dosing for COVID is unsafe.

People are correct to say ivermectin is neither safe nor essential for COVID.

We shouldn't talk about medical treatment in terms of what hasn't been proven to be harmful, but what has been proven to be helpful.

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hockeybub89 posted...

There is no proof that it is very safe for COVID though. Pharmacists are literally denying filling the prescriptions because the dosing for COVID is unsafe.

People are correct to say ivermectin is neither safe nor essential for COVID.

"There's no proof water is safe for COVID"

Calling it "unsafe" is inaccurate, unnecessary sure, but it's overall safety profile is known. If you want to say "unsafe doses are unsafe" you can. But that's self evident.

This topic refers to doctor prescribed Ivermectin, a doctor is not going to prescribe a medication at an unsafe dose.

We shouldn't talk about medical treatment in terms of what hasn't been proven to be harmful, but what has been proven to be helpful.

Yeah, that should be the focus, but when people bring up things that haven't been proven helpful you respond with "that has not been proven helpful." You don't lie and say "that is solely a medication for horses".

The truth is how you win people to the good side. Not gaslighting.

It seems like some people think that the only way to persuade people is to lie about the bad thing, but more often than not this causes the people you are trying to persuade to tune you out entirely.

I will tell the truth. And the truth is there are some data points that justify the ongoing clinical trials into ivermectin, but not enough strong evidence to say it is in any way effective at treating or preventing COVID. The vaccines have been pretty well tolerated everywhere and demonstrated clear and consistent results at preventing or reducing the severity of COVID.

If you are an adult and want to be protected against COVID, you should get vaccinated.

jakehouse1996 posted...

This topic refers to doctor prescribed Ivermectin, a doctor is not going to prescribe a medication at an unsafe dose.

Funniest thing Ive read today. They do all the time, or write a combination of drugs that could have really bad side effects including death. You have no idea how many times a day I have to call and tell some physicians office the dose/administration interval is unsafe or that their patient is already on X medication so adding Y is going to be a bad time.

Do they do it on purpose? Not really, unless you count willful ignorance to what theyre doing or just plain stubbornness as on purpose

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jakehouse1996 posted...

Calling it "unsafe" is inaccurate, unnecessary sure, but it's overall safety profile is known. If you want to say "unsafe doses are unsafe" you can. But that's self evident.

This topic refers to doctor prescribed Ivermectin, a doctor is not going to prescribe a medication at an unsafe dose.

The dosing used for covid is like 50x that of typical use for parasites, and is known to have far more side effects.

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DrizztLink posted...

It ties into how he also thinks he's the smart one here.

Hard to measure reality with a faulty tool.

Well if everyone is above 150 IQ here then im definitely the dumb one, it does strike me as unlikely though

Some guy brought in a script for 7 tabs once a day for 14 days, said it was for dandruff.

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Flockaveli posted...

Some guy brought in a script for 7 tabs once a day for 14 days, said it was for dandruff.

Ive seen it for as many as 13 a day

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Flockaveli posted...

Some guy brought in a script for 7 tabs once a day for 14 days, said it was for dandruff.

some serious ass dandruff lol

Someone should make a Pharmacy General thread. Seeing as how there's so many of us here.

PharmaCE

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Ive seen it for as many as 13 a day

LOL it's like we don't even carry that much.

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Flockaveli posted...

LOL it's like we don't even carry that much.

are those even real prescriptions?

ROOTFayth posted...

are those even real prescriptions?

As in did an MD/DO sign off on them for the patient? Yes.

Was said MD/DO also halfway across the country and the visit occurred via telehealth? Also yes, but there are also local physicians that write for it and have had similar dosing

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

As in did an MD/DO sign off on them for the patient? Yes.

Was said MD/DO also halfway across the country and the visit occurred via telehealth? Also yes, but there are also local physicians that write for it and have had similar dosing

is 13/day considered safe dosage?

jakehouse1996 posted...

This topic refers to doctor prescribed Ivermectin, a doctor is not going to prescribe a medication at an unsafe dose

The opioid crisis (which everyone forgot about) says otherwise

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ROOTFayth posted...

is 13/day considered safe dosage?

Considering an oral dose is usually a one time dose or the dose is once followed by a second dose two weeks later, no, an oral dose of 13 tablets a day for 14 days is not normal/safe

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Dathrowed1 posted...

The opioid crisis (which everyone forgot about) says otherwise

I think theres something to infer here, doctors will not purposefully prescribe you dangerous dosage, they might make mistakes but likely wont attempt to murder you or hurt you

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Considering an oral dose is usually a one time dose or the dose is once followed by a second dose two weeks later, no, an oral dose of 13 tablets a day for 14 days is not normal/safe

do you guys contact the MD in such cases?

The amount of times I have to call a doctor to change medication because a patient is highly allergic to it is at least twice a day. Plenty of doctors don't know what they're doing.

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Flockaveli posted...

The amount of times I have to call a doctor to change medication because a patient is highly allergic to it is at least twice a day. Plenty of doctors don't know what they're doing.

do the doctors have the files saying if their patient is allergic or not? because in my case when I had adverse reactions like severe intolerances or once I had a severe allergic reaction, I have to repeat it pharmacists if I go in a different one, its like the patients files are stored locally, not in an online database accessible by all health workers

ROOTFayth posted...

do you guys contact the MD in such cases?

If you mean generally speaking then yes. Ivermectin writing is a different problem.

The last time I tried to contact a local physician over ivermectin dosing they lost their mind and said I was trying to play god when I asked them to explain their rationale for the dosing interval/reason for use.

Good luck getting a telehealth physician to answer you back

Now I just flat out refuse to fill, as I have that right. They are more than welcome to see if another pharmacy will fill it.

ROOTFayth posted...

do the doctors have the files saying if their patient is allergic or not? because in my case when I had adverse reactions like severe intolerances or once I had a severe allergic reaction, I have to repeat it pharmacists if I go in a different one, its like the patients files are stored locally, not in an online database accessible by all health workers

Intake at any physician office is going to involve disclosing allergies. Ive had physicians send medications over for a drug a patient was allergic to when it was literally written on the prescription they were allergic to it

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jakehouse1996 posted...

The honest truth is that Ivermectin is a very safe medication

Taking Ivermectin while you have COVID is extremely unsafe. That's like treating your cancer with homeopathy. Is the homeopathy going to hurt you? Probably not, it's basically just water. But while you're doing that the cancer is getting worse when it could be getting better by using real proven treatments.

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ROOTFayth posted...

do the doctors have the files saying if their patient is allergic or not? because in my case when I had adverse reactions like severe intolerances or once I had a severe allergic reaction, I have to repeat it pharmacists if I go in a different one, its like the patients files are stored locally, not in an online database accessible by all health workers

I LITERALLY had someone last night come in from the ER and say they're picking up a prescription, I told him we had a naproxen sent over and he said "I literally said to the doctor at the hospital that I can't take naproxen."

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Intake at any physician office is going to involve disclosing allergies. Ive had physicians send medications over for a drug a patient was allergic to when it was literally written on the prescription they were allergic to it

Literally on the erx under prescriber notes they'll put down "allergic to penicillins" and send in an amox. Doctors LITERALLY don't know what the fuck they're doing.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Ive had physicians send medications over for a drug a patient was allergic to when it was literally written on the prescription they were allergic to it

lol wtf

although I guess I shouldnt be that surprised given once I had a severe allergic reaction to remicade and the doctor said to try again next time but give me benadryl right before, so we do that the following attempt a few weeks later, they give me the benadryl orally but start the remicade drip like 2 minutes after, queue the allergic reaction, felt bad man

anyway moved on to Humira and Im good now, these allergic reactions however now makes me anxious about taking any new meds now

hockeybub89 posted...

I am a tech, but I've been here forever. I talk with my pharmacists all the time about this stuff and have gained a lot more pharmaceutical knowledge through first-hand experience than some dopes on the Internet that heard Joe Rogan say a thing.

Can anyone explain what a tech is in this industry? Sorry but I'm not in the pharmaceutical industry.

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Oneform posted...

Can anyone explain what a tech is in this industry? Sorry but I'm not in the pharmaceutical industry.

Pharmacist is like the nucleus of the pharmacy, says what needs to be done and gives final approval for something being done correctly. Technicians are the working person, doing most of the counting/filling of prescriptions, taking scripts in, handling transactions, helping patients over the phone. Pharmacist is the only one who can go over a patient's medication and answer any questions related to medicine. Pharmacist can take scripts that are being called in. Pharmacist has access to the safe.

I always compare techs to the tentacles on Dr. Octopus. Sure the man in the jacket has all the authority and final say in everything, but the only reason anything and everything gets done is because of the hard working techs busting their asses every day.

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ROOTFayth posted...

I think theres something to infer here, doctors will not purposefully prescribe you dangerous dosage, they might make mistakes but likely wont attempt to murder you or hurt you

I have seen doctor's prescribe doses they know were way too high and likely doing more damage to their patients

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Oneform posted...

Can anyone explain what a tech is in this industry? Sorry but I'm not in the pharmaceutical industry.

Dumbed down as much as possible:

Tech = nurse, pharmacist = doctor

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jakehouse1996 posted...

A great many people have implied if not outright indicated that "Ivermectin = Horse Dewormer" and thus they have lied about its safety as horse dewormer ivermectin is not safe for humans, but doctor prescribed human ivermectin is quite safe.

I imagine that Joe Rogan was perfectly able to get the human version of ivermectin and some of the coverage over Rogan was wrong and misleading.

But you also need to be intellectually honest here.

Lots of people are taking ivermectin mean for livestock. Most people don't have the money and connections Rogan has and aren't able to find doctors or pharmacists (like TC) who will just write off a prescription for them.

There is a reason this stuff is all of the sudden flying off the fucking shelves in tractor supply stores.


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Shadow Don posted...

I imagine that Joe Rogan was perfectly able to get the human version of ivermectin and some of the coverage over Rogan was wrong and misleading.

But you also need to be intellectually honest here.

Lots of people are taking ivermectin mean for livestock. Most people don't have the money and connections Rogan has and aren't able to find doctors or pharmacists (like TC) who will just write off a prescription for them.

There is a reason this stuff is all of the sudden flying off the fucking shelves in tractor supply stores.

Right. And if we really wanted to stop that, say the truth.

"Taking animal drugs is unsafe!"

If the news accurately made a distinction between an animal formulation and a human one we'd have a lot less people taking the animal one.

Anybody who conflates the two, whether they advocate for ivermectin or against it are doing everybody a disservice and increasing the level of danger. Because a gullible person might end up taking a horse medication because the news said it was equivalent to something they read the results of a peer reviewed study on.

In short, nobody is made safer by conflating animal and human formulations of drugs.

jakehouse1996 posted...

"Taking animal drugs is unsafe!"

Taking ivermectin at doses meant for covid is unsafe, regardless of formulation.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Taking ivermectin at doses meant for covid is unsafe, regardless of formulation.

The formulation makes a huge difference in the safety profile.

jakehouse1996 posted...

The formulation makes a huge difference in the safety profile.

Not sure that's accurate.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Taking ivermectin meant for humans for covid is unsafe.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Not sure that's accurate.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. Taking ivermectin meant for humans for covid is unsafe.

It does matter, quite a lot.

Taking the animal formulation is much more dangerous than the human formulation.

As I said, nobody is made safer by conflating animal and human formulations of drugs. Nor are we made safer by conflating all unsafe things as equally unsafe.

We need to accurately represent the truth if we want to persuade people, we can't lie out of laziness or convenience. Because such lies result in mistrust which result in less cooperation.

jakehouse1996 posted...

It does matter, quite a lot.

Taking the animal formulation is much more dangerous than the human formulation.

As I said, nobody is made safer by conflating animal and human formulations of drugs. Nor are we made safer by conflating all unsafe things as equally unsafe.

We need to accurately represent the truth if we want to persuade people, we can't lie out of laziness or convenience. Because such lies result in mistrust which result in less cooperation.

And yet you've spent this entire topic, on multiple alts, misrepresenting the truth and trying to push Ivermectin as safe and/or effective against covid when it is proven not to be.

Shut the fuck up.

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jakehouse1996 posted...

It does matter, quite a lot.

Taking the animal formulation is much more dangerous than the human formulation.

First, I would like to see the evidence for that. Second, nobody should be taking either because it is dangerous.

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Flockaveli posted...

Pharmacist is like the nucleus of the pharmacy, says what needs to be done and gives final approval for something being done correctly. Technicians are the working person, doing most of the counting/filling of prescriptions, taking scripts in, handling transactions, helping patients over the phone. Pharmacist is the only one who can go over a patient's medication and answer any questions related to medicine. Pharmacist can take scripts that are being called in. Pharmacist has access to the safe.

I always compare techs to the tentacles on Dr. Octopus. Sure the man in the jacket has all the authority and final say in everything, but the only reason anything and everything gets done is because of the hard working techs busting their asses every day.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Patience and understanding while we wait if science proves ivermectin is useless against COVID is great and all.

Except for the fact that people are already beating down doors and trying to hoard or take massive amounts of unproven drugs just because some politican or podcaster tells them that Big Medicine is deliberately hiding the real cure.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Patience and understanding while we wait if science proves ivermectin is useless against COVID is great and all.

Except for the fact that people are already beating down doors and trying to hoard or take massive amounts of unproven drugs just because some politican or podcaster tells them that Big Medicine is deliberately hiding the real cure.

just require a prescription to sell even the ones for animals then, not that hard

ROOTFayth posted...

just require a prescription to sell even the ones for animals then, not that hard

You seem really proud to not know anything about anything

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hockeybub89 posted...

Patience and understanding while we wait if science proves ivermectin is useless against COVID is great and all.

Except for the fact that people are already beating down doors and trying to hoard or take massive amounts of unproven drugs just because some politican or podcaster tells them that Big Medicine is deliberately hiding the real cure.

Especially since two people died in New Mexico due to issues from Ivermectin.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You seem really proud to not know anything about anything

do you sometimes wonder why you're still single?

ROOTFayth posted...

do you sometimes wonder why you're still single?

Do you sometimes wonder why every single person in this topic knows you're a moron?

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DrizztLink posted...

Do you sometimes wonder why every single person in this topic knows you're a moron?

why are you insulting me?

ROOTFayth posted...

do you sometimes wonder why you're still single?

You must have me confused with someone who cares about that.

You still know jack shit about pharmacy.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You must have me confused with someone who cares about that.

You still know jack shit about pharmacy.

you also know jackshit about making money, great life youre living there buddy, pharmacy tech and alone

ROOTFayth posted...

why are you insulting me?

You've spent the entire topic insulting everyone else's intelligence.

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Antifar posted...

You've spent the entire topic insulting everyone else's intelligence.

its not my fault really if people on this board arent too smart though