Board 8 > Giving FFXII another shot.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/27/22 12:11:48 AM
#51:


Vaan and Penelo are having a conversation which I do not believe has happened since she joined the party 15-20 hours ago.

Also Basch joined for one line, which is the first time a conversation has involved more than 2 party members since I left Rabanastre. Also the second time Basch has said anything at all in ages.

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KamikazePotato
01/27/22 12:17:53 AM
#52:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
One thing though is that I'm finding, like...no use for any Techniks so far at all? Steal and Libra obviously. And like.....literally nothing else.
Nah they're mostly trash.

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LordoftheMorons
01/27/22 12:31:50 AM
#53:


Too bad they didn't keep to the original plan of making Basch the main character instead of pointlessly creating Vaan

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UshiromiyaEva
01/27/22 12:42:12 AM
#54:


Honestly Basch is kind of nothing so far, and I'm curious if they literally chose to cut out everything main character related and didn't replace it with anything.

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KamikazePotato
01/27/22 12:43:41 AM
#55:


FF12 had a very troubled development in general from what I understand. It's what resulted in Matsuno leaving the company.

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BlackDra90n
01/27/22 9:06:15 AM
#56:


Vaan and Penelo are such nothing characters. Game would've been a lot better if they just cut them out and focused on Ashe/Basch or Balthier/Fran.

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The Mana Sword
01/27/22 9:27:21 AM
#57:


Ashe is the main character anyway

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UshiromiyaEva
01/27/22 8:06:49 PM
#58:


About how much is left in the game after Draklor?

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Leonhart4
01/27/22 8:21:24 PM
#59:


I'd say you're 80%ish through the game

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UshiromiyaEva
01/27/22 8:24:18 PM
#60:


....Huh, OK.

I thought I was like...half.

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Leonhart4
01/27/22 8:25:01 PM
#61:


It's been a long time since I've played FFXII so I can't say for sure but you're definitely getting somewhat close to the end now.

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KamikazePotato
01/27/22 9:03:07 PM
#62:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
....Huh, OK.

I thought I was like...half.
If you really want to see how far along you are in FF12, check your Hunt list. That's where the real endgame is!

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 12:52:05 AM
#63:


Am I....is this the final dungeon I'm in? Pharos?

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LordoftheMorons
01/29/22 12:54:02 AM
#64:


No

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 12:54:08 AM
#65:


It's basically the final dungeon. There's one section afterwards but it's much shorter.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 1:01:24 AM
#66:


It's essentially the final dungeon, but it's also not the end of the game.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 1:07:57 AM
#67:


Looks like I'll be finishing this tomorrow night then. I doubt I'm going to have any big opinion changes or anything, but close enough that I'll wait until it's cleaned up.

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Cavedweller2000
01/29/22 3:53:52 AM
#68:


Yeah they really got Steal wrong. What I did was just set up a Gambit for Foe HP = 100% > Steal. Not the greatest but you at least get a chance of stealing from all enemies at least once without the fear of needless spamming

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 3:37:28 PM
#69:


Is Basch seriously not going to say anything during this cutscene????

About to fight his brother and he's just standing around like an NPC??

Oh OK he says one random line of no relevance right before the fight starts??

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colliding
01/29/22 3:53:14 PM
#70:


yeah. the game sucks

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 3:57:31 PM
#71:


I've played FF12 three times. The world is gorgeous, the soundtrack is great, and I love going around doing Hunts. My second two playthroughs were Vaan solo runs that pushed me to figure out new strategies and use all my available resources. My third playthrough being the Zodiac edition just made it even more fun.

The story is pretty bad though.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:00:36 PM
#72:


KamikazePotato posted...
the soundtrack is great

Eh, I think it's the weakest mainline OST in the modern era. There are maybe 5 songs I've actually cared to listen to outside of the game itself.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 4:01:07 PM
#73:


I think bad is an understatement....well, actually, unless this Bahamut Fortress just blows me away, that my official stance on XII is that it doesn't actually have a story.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 4:01:51 PM
#74:


LeonhartFour posted...
Eh, I think it's the weakest mainline OST in the modern era. There are maybe 5 songs I've actually cared to listen to outside of the game itself.

That whistling part of the Lowtown theme is the only one that sticks with me. I think the OST work really well as ambiance, though, there's just nothing I would ever listen to on it's own.

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 4:02:26 PM
#75:


It's not quite on par with the PS1 era but I think it's about equal to FFX. FFXIII is the real weak point. FFXIV would be my favorite but I don't count it because it's essentially four games worth of songs rolled into one which unbalances things the comparison.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:04:01 PM
#76:


KamikazePotato posted...
It's not quite on par with the PS1 era but I think it's about equal to FFX.

I think FFX's OST is pretty overrated but wow this is an insult to FFX

FFXIII's OST is quite good. It's the sequels where the quality dips.

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 4:04:23 PM
#77:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
That whistling part of the Lowtown theme is the only one that sticks with me.
Esper Battle one of the best fight songs in the series though

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 4:05:09 PM
#78:


KamikazePotato posted...
It's not quite on par with the PS1 era but I think it's about equal to FFX. FFXIII is the real weak point. FFXIV would be my favorite but I don't count it because it's essentially four games worth of songs rolled into one which unbalances things the comparison.

I mean I've listened to the first Trial theme from Endwalker on repeat for 2 hours, lol. I think every individual expansion of XIV could be in the running for top 5 at least, certainly all top 10

XIII only had Blinded by Light, but Blinded by Light is VERY good.

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 4:06:34 PM
#79:


Less of an insult to FFX and more me vibing with FFXII a lot. For reference, Final Fantasy Tactics is potentially my favorite OST in the series - I really enjoy the music style that goes with the Ivalice-style games. This also applies to similar games outside the series like Tactics Ogre.

Never played the FFXIII sequels but FFXIII's OST was carried by the main battle theme and that one song that plays while traveling with Sazh and Vanille. Everything else was not great.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:07:55 PM
#80:


Tactics has a great OST, but it also actually tries to have one. FFXIII has better environmental themes and better battle themes than XII. Esper Battle is fine. Fight to the Death is the one great FFXII battle theme.

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 4:09:33 PM
#81:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I mean I've listened to the first Trial theme from Endwalker on repeat for 2 hours, lol.
Every FF game has songs I've listened to on repeat for hours! Except for FF13 lmao

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colliding
01/29/22 4:12:30 PM
#82:


I think XIII's soundtrack is really good actually

Blinded, Sabre's Edge, Desperate struggle are all great battle tunes. Besides sunleth and archlyte, a lot of the area music is underrated, (the hanging edge, lake bresha)

XII's soundtrack isn't bad either, but I do think it is worse than X and XIII

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NFUN
01/29/22 4:13:30 PM
#83:


KamikazePotato posted...
Less of an insult to FFX and more me vibing with FFXII a lot. For reference, Final Fantasy Tactics is potentially my favorite OST in the series - I really enjoy the music style that goes with the Ivalice-style games. This also applies to similar games outside the series like Tactics Ogre.
you just like Sakimoto

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 4:18:14 PM
#84:


Oh the other Cid. Forgot he was a character.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:21:05 PM
#85:


the only reason I even remember who that is was because he wore sunglasses in a medieval setting

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colliding
01/29/22 4:28:05 PM
#86:


the only reason I remember who that is is because I owned the Brady official strategy guide which had a big spread of official art of the NPC's

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ChaosTonyV4
01/29/22 4:37:57 PM
#87:


colliding posted...
I think XIII's soundtrack is really good actually

Blinded, Sabre's Edge, Desperate struggle are all great battle tunes. Besides sunleth and archlyte, a lot of the area music is underrated, (the hanging edge, lake bresha)

XII's soundtrack isn't bad either, but I do think it is worse than X and XIII

Besides Sunleth?? Sunleth rocks

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:39:10 PM
#88:


I think he's saying those two songs are generally regarded as good, but it has some other underrated area themes (Lake Bresha is a good shout, I'm also a fan of the Gapra Whitewood theme)

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 4:40:50 PM
#89:


(also I've said this before but it should totally be the Sunless Waterscape because the area literally has no sun, this is the Aeris/Aerith thing in reverse)

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KingButz
01/29/22 4:55:25 PM
#90:


FFXII is my favorite soundtrack of the series. FFT and FFV are the only others that come close for me.

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 4:58:36 PM
#91:


NFUN posted...
you just like Sakimoto
Well, yes.

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most_games_r_ok
01/29/22 5:09:33 PM
#92:


FF XII's soundtrack isn't that great

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 5:46:49 PM
#93:


Just sitting here browsing Twitter while the final few boss fights are happening at 4x speed.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 5:52:48 PM
#94:


This is...the worst final boss design I've ever seen maybe?

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 5:57:27 PM
#95:


I've fought the final boss once on release so I don't remember it in the slightest.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 5:58:36 PM
#96:


Flying metal trash man.

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LeonhartFour
01/29/22 5:58:59 PM
#97:


it's just bad all around, which is fitting because Vayne is a garbage tier antagonist

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 6:10:10 PM
#98:


So the final cutscene is happening but I don't really care so some final thoughts.

This game does start with promise. There's a lot going on for that first halfish! Character work, some story setup, decent world building, good aesthetic. This is all present with my comments on page 1.

I would say after Mt Burmice, if you don't care about side quests and hunts....there's nothing left in the game worth playing. Everything after Mt Burmice is bad. And not in a "shame it's not as good as it started way", but legitimately for a first time player who didn't care about side content I'd say you can stop playing the game there.

The most enjoyment I got out of the game was PLANNING my jobs. Not even kidding, working that spreadsheet was a great time. Shame as you can probably tell from the last few posts, it really came to nothing. I stopped carring about where I was spending my LP for the last 5000 points or so.

I can tell for sure that if you're REALLY into the game play and hunts, there's more to this game for you. And I TRIED, up until the Great Crystal I was doing EVERYTHING, but I just...completely lost the drive. I personally don't care about the hunts, it's not the type of content that does anything for me.

Also of very important note, I absolutely would have quit playing the game a long time ago if not for the 2x and 4x speed.

It's a shame because when I realized I was digging it in the first few hours I was pretty excited!

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UshiromiyaEva
01/29/22 6:12:58 PM
#99:


And I hit post literally the second the credits start to role. I don't regret playing the game because I never liked how I was so vocally harsh about a game I had played for 5 hours. Still, my opinion personally about the game is that it's still pretty bad, just not for the same childish reasons I used to.

But considering how critical additions and changes made for the Zodiac Age were to literally everything about the game I liked...I stand by my stance that the PS2 version of the game was gutter trash <_<

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KamikazePotato
01/29/22 6:29:55 PM
#100:


My favorite FF12 memory is defeating Zodiark in my most recent one using only Vaan (mostly). It was an encounter I spent the entire game preparing for, down the the specific classes I would need to pick for a frankly stupid boss like that to be feasible. That preparation culminated in a war of attrition that had me on my toes for over an hour, basically being a single player raid that had me pulling out all the stops and even inventing weird strategies on the fly.

To me, that's the actual final boss of FF12. It's amazing how much potential the main story squandered.

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