Poll of the Day > Yaknow, the assassination of Julius Caesar was kinda really a dick move

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Lokarin
01/27/22 8:55:13 PM
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If I got the timeline right, he won the civil war in great style while also resolving pretty much all outstanding issues in foreign affairs in both Egypt (crushing the traitorous Ptolemaic elder brother) and Asia minor while showing clemency at almost every turn... gave huge plots of land to his exhausted veterans, and placated the senate with such grace that he was named dictator for life

Dictator for life... which he used to issue more reforms for like a month and then he RETIRED - yes, he gave away unlimited power at the height of his popularity.

And then 5 months later some 60 dudes stabbed him... in the name of freedom. Ya, an incredibly popular POPULIST who expanded freedoms at every turn in his final months... murdered in the name of freedom.

edit: and yes, I just watched a like 4 hour video on this

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ParanoidObsessive
01/27/22 9:00:40 PM
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You should probably watch a longer video. Or a better one.

There's a lot more to it than that.

For starters, the idea that Cleopatra was corrupting him and he was flirting with the idea of becoming king (which it seems like he actually was, in fact if not explicitly in name). And the underlying social tension that had been manifesting as conflict between the Optimates and Populares for years beforehand.

Of course, the real problem is that in killing him, they just fulfill all of their fears by allowing Octavian to accomplish all of the things they were afraid of Caesar doing.

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Lokarin
01/27/22 9:18:09 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
You should probably watch a longer video. Or a better one.

the video was good, I was the one paraphrasing

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Rotpar
01/27/22 9:36:34 PM
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I didn't want him to control Hoover Dam. Besides, he was dying of cancer.

Crap, wrong Caesar.

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Sahuagin
01/27/22 10:04:21 PM
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I watched the stage play once. that's about all I know if it.

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jiffdiff
01/28/22 1:35:42 AM
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Ah yes, "retired"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar%27s_planned_invasion_of_the_Parthian_Empire
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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 1:37:36 AM
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Brutus and his minions killed rome before it even started.

Seriously. Although this is the beginning of the roman empire, i'm convinced that almost all of its problems stem from this stupid bullshit. So many reigns ended by assassinations by dumbass military commanders with dreams of grandure.

The people wanted Caeser to rule, the traitors wanted only the rich to rule.

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Kimbos_Egg
01/28/22 1:39:50 AM
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Sahuagin posted...
I watched the stage play once. that's about all I know if it.

yeah the only unfortunate thing about that is the myth of brutus fighting for muh freedom and democracy, and for the good of everyone when in fact he was a massive elitist who hated the poor, and wanted them to have no say in govenment.

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jiffdiff
01/28/22 1:41:10 AM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
yeah the only unfortunate thing about that is the myth of brutus fighting for muh freedom and democracy, and for the good of everyone when in fact he was a massive elitist who hated the poor, and wanted them to have no say in govenment.

And Caesar was genocidist tomato tomato
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Metalsonic66
01/28/22 1:55:49 AM
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Lokarin posted...
a dick move
An unkind cut, you might say

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ParanoidObsessive
01/28/22 2:01:48 AM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
Seriously. Although this is the beginning of the roman empire, i'm convinced that almost all of its problems stem from this stupid bullshit. So many reigns ended by assassinations by dumbass military commanders with dreams of grandure.

That shit started before literally anyone involved in Caesar's assassination was ever born, though.

A more realistic argument is that the republic was already dead and had been for decades, and the people opposed to Caesar were trying to save something that had already been corrupted and lost 80 years before. The moment Tiberius Gracchus was clubbed to death the republic was utterly doomed, because it was the moment that murdering your political rivals gained acceptability (and with each repetition, it became more acceptable and more ruthless, and the idea of "tradition" and "mores" eroded more and more). It opened the door to a succession of strongmen who seized autocratic power and ruled through violence (and the threat of violence). Caesar was just following in their footsteps, and wound up ultimately hoist by his own petard.

Look into the history of Marius, Sulla, and the Gracchi. They basically started the slide that Caesar's death and Augustus' ascension merely completed.

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