Current Events > Supreme Court reinstates death penalty for Boston Marathon bomber

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https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1499768175369637894?s=21

Dammit I wanted him to get free food, air conditioning, education, healthcare, gym membership and TV for another 30 years

I'm concerned about the implications of the SCOTUS ruling.

I don't see the issue with this. Dude is a horrible person with no hopes of rehabilitation. Might as well remove some tax expenditure.

Rathinor posted...

Might as well remove some tax expenditure.

Death penalty cases famously cost more than imprisonment due to the appeals process, a process that one of the victim's families has cited in arguing he should not get the death penalty.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-trial/boston-bombing-victim-martin-richards-parents-dont-want-death-penalty-n343451

Is he even going to death penalty. Dont most appeal it dozens of times and waste tax payer money in the fight against it.

Disgusting.

Death penalty has no place in a country that wants to even remotely call itself civilised.

The person is an utter monster though still, but should spend the rest of their pathetic life in jail.

Pretty stupid. I mean dont get me wrong, fuck this guy. But the death penalty just doesnt work within the confines of our legal system.

Funkydog posted...

Death penalty has no place in a country that wants to even remotely call itself civilised.

The person is an utter monster though still, but should spend the rest of their pathetic life in jail.

That makes no sense. If someone is far beyond rehabilitation, why waste the effort? Just take them out back and shoot them. The only reason the death penalty is expensive is due to the chemicals or w/e.
Also I only believe in the death penalty in cases like this, where someone is 100 percent guilty and there is absolutely no question as to their innocence or what they did

Abolish the death penalty.

It's barbaric and no one actually really wants to do it.

He earned it.

The death penalty is not about the criminal.

The death penalty is about us as a society.

hitokoriX posted...

That makes no sense. If someone is far beyond rehabilitation, why waste the effort? Just take them out back and shoot them. The only reason the death penalty is expensive is due to the chemicals or w/e.
Also I only believe in the death penalty in cases like this, where someone is 100 percent guilty and there is absolutely no question as to their innocence or what they did

Fuck that. Stop supporting state sanctioned murder.

hitokoriX posted...

That makes no sense. If someone is far beyond rehabilitation, why waste the effort? Just take them out back and shoot them. The only reason the death penalty is expensive is due to the chemicals or w/e.
Also I only believe in the death penalty in cases like this, where someone is 100 percent guilty and there is absolutely no question as to their innocence or what they did

Because reality doesn't work like that. Innocent people will be abused, as they already are by the corrupt justice system. Innocent people HAVE been killed, and it was a big reason why we got rid of it in the UK after killing an innocent man.

Unless you are prepared for you, personally, or a loved one to be killed of a crime they didn't commit and had no involvement in then how can you justify supporting the death penalty?

Sure, you may get the occasional one who 100% did it and is an utter monster, but the lack of the death penalty isn't for their benefit, but for innocent people.

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Sadly effective, yes. These people are evil, and it appeals on an emotional level to get rid of them as in the moment that's what people think of and not the innocent people.

hitokoriX posted...

Just take them out back and shoot them.

5 people, 4 blanks, 1 bullet, less guilt

This is not good news.

CyricZ posted...

Abolish the death penalty.

It's barbaric and no one actually really wants to do it.

I am strongly in favor of it for this case.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I am strongly in favor of it for this case.

The lack of the death penalty isn't about this person.

It's about the innocent people who have and will be killed again by it.

Either you are okay with innocent people dying, or you are against the death penalty - even when it means monsters like this then spend the rest of their lives in jail.

BilalPowell posted...

Dammit I wanted him to get free food, air conditioning, education, healthcare, gym membership and TV for another 30 years

1. He's going to get those for 30-years regardless, appeals and all that takes a very long time to go through.

2. You think prisons are air-conditioned? lmao. Maybe the administrative wing will be but where the prisoners are being held sure as fuck isn't. He'll have access to the rest of those sure but spoiler-alert, they're not nearly as good as you think they are.

VitalGetPrank posted...

2. You think prisons are air-conditioned? lmao. Maybe the administrative wing will be but where the prisoners are being held sure as fuck isn't. He'll have access to the rest of those sure but spoiler-alert, they're not nearly as good as you think they are.

Which is its own issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fiRDJLjL94

I find it nice that there's an LWT available for a lot of issues in the world today.

Funkydog posted...

Either you are okay with innocent people dying, or you are against the death penalty - even when it means monsters like this then spend the rest of their lives in jail.

I'm okay with the death penalty in this specific case. This particular individual earned it fair and square.

Honestly, who objects to this child killer's murder...?

This is the one that seemed kind of hesitant right? Like his older brother manipulated him. If that's the case I feel bad for the kid. He did what he did and deserves the punishment. But to be led on by someone who is supposed to be looking out or you. That's rough.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I'm okay with the death penalty in this specific case. This particular individual earned it fair and square.

The death penalty doesn't work in such a clear cut and concise manner and you are fully aware of it. Innocent people have been killed because of the death penalty. Are you alright with your mother, or another loved one being killed for a crime they didn't commit?

No one is saying this terrorist scum is innocent, but the death penalty doesn't only target clearly guilty people - the justice system isn't perfect. Mistakes happen. Corruption happens.

Tim Evans was an innocent man killed for the murder of his wife and daughter in the UK, and played an instrumental part in its ban when the real killer was found a few years later

It is for innocent people like him the death penalty should be abolished, for innocent people everywhere.

gunplagirl posted...

I'm concerned about the implications of the SCOTUS ruling.

Same

If you can "bring back" the death penalty when you feel like it, it's never really gone

Antifar posted...

Death penalty cases famously cost more than imprisonment due to the appeals process, a process that one of the victim's families has cited in arguing he should not get the death penalty.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-trial/boston-bombing-victim-martin-richards-parents-dont-want-death-penalty-n343451

Well we should do something about that appeals process, especially for something like this situation.

Funkydog posted...

No one is saying this terrorist scum is innocent

Which is why I'm more than okay with the death penalty being employed in this case

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Which is why I'm more than okay with the death penalty being employed in this case

Why does he need to die?

CyricZ posted...

Why does he need to die?

Because he's a violent murderer with no regard for human life or limb.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Which is why I'm more than okay with the death penalty being employed in this case

Can you answer the rest of my posts, or shall I just assume you are okay with innocent people being killed? Not sure how else to take your refusal to answer about the innocent people who have and will be killed under the death penalty.

It's okay if you are (it's not) but at least be honest.

Great news

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Because he's a violent murderer with no regard for human life or limb.

That's not answering the question. That's just identifying him as a murderer. I don't dispute that.

Why does he need to die?

In this particular case good.

Funkydog posted...

shall I just assume you are okay with innocent people being killed?

No. I don't want innocent people killed. But that's not what's happening in this particular case. In this case, he was sentenced to death, an appeal (not a ban or new law) overturned his death penalty, and now the Supreme Court reinstated it.

Case by case, okay? One thing at a time.

CyricZ posted...

Why does he need to die?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Because he's a violent murderer with no regard for human life or limb.

And his continued existence is unfair to those he killed in cold blood.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

And his continued existence is unfair to those he killed in cold blood.

So killing him is fair? Fair to who/what?

Everything bilalpowell ever says is disingenuous bullshit trolling. Disregard that user.

i'm no lawyer, but skimming the decision paper, it seems like even conservative-leaning judges (particularly acb) who concurred with the general decision expressed implicit reservations about it, discussing the possibility of what i interpret as a bit of overreach on the part of the supreme court with respect to its relationship with the procedures of lower courts

CyricZ posted...

So killing him is fair? Fair to who?

To his victims. Why should we suffer the continued existence of a monster who mass murdered innocent people and left many others permanently disfigured? Why should he be allowed to live and eat and sleep and laugh and joke with his prison buddies?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

No. I don't want innocent people killed. But that's not what's happening in this particular case. In this case, he was sentenced to death, an appeal (not a ban or new law) overturned his death penalty, and now the Supreme Court reinstated it.

Case by case, okay? One thing at a time.

That isn't how it works. No one is saying this individual isn't evil scum. But the fact remains is that innocent people will die from the death penalty's existence.

Corrupt police exist. Corrupt judges exist. Lazy ones of them also exist. People make accidental false statements. Laws apply (or should) to everyone, and if the death penalty exists for one person, it also exists for the innocent people.

You have to accept that if you are okay with the death penalty for this person, you are ok with it for someone who is innocent.

Changing a law whenever you feel like isnt a good look for a supposed civilized country

Gobstoppers12 posted...

To his victims.

His murder victims are dead. They don't care.

As for his injured victims, do you think it's fair to compound injury up towards death?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Why should we suffer the continued existence of a monster who mass murdered innocent people and left many others permanently disfigured?

Philosophically, I'd say it's because we are not of the capacity to judge someone as worthy of death as a society.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Why should he be allowed to live and eat and sleep and laugh and joke with his prison buddies?

Why should we feel empowered to take away his life?

Funkydog posted...

But the fact remains is that innocent people will die from the death penalty's existence.

And yet this case does not determine whether or not the death penalty will continue to exist institutionally. It has only determined that the initial death penalty found in the original verdict is valid and should be carried out.

Funkydog posted...

You have to accept that if you are okay with the death penalty for this person, you are ok with it for someone who is innocent.

This is extremely flawed logic, by the way. I don't have to be okay with innocents being caught up in the process in order for me to be okay with this specific individual receiving the death penalty.

That's like saying "if you've ever enjoyed a bite of macaroni and cheese, then you must accept that you would also enjoy drowning in it."

The logic doesn't work. It's possible to be okay with one instance of a thing, while simultaneously being opposed to another instance of the same thing with different context. It's not that simple.

BilalPowell posted...

Dammit I wanted him to get free food, air conditioning, education, healthcare, gym membership and TV for another 30 years

None of that is free. Inmates are forced to pay for their stay.

CyricZ posted...

Why should we feel empowered to take away his life?

Because he went to trial and was convicted.

CyricZ posted...

His murder victims are dead. They don't care.

As for his injured victims, do you think it's fair to compound injury up towards death?

His victims are dead and their families, friends, and countrymen are still alive to remember what happened to them.

As for the second point, what the fuck do you even mean? Compound injury toward death? He didn't just injure people. He killed people, too. He is the one who introduced death into the equation first. People don't stop counting as victims when they die. Injuries may not "compound towards death," but he also caused death, so...

What kind of strange thought process is that?

Cocytus posted...

Honestly, who objects to this child killer's murder...?

The parents of the child.

Funkydog posted...

Death penalty has no place in a country that wants to even remotely call itself civilised.

The person is an utter monster though still, but should spend the rest of their pathetic life in jail.

This is such an ironic post. If you are about rehabilitation then you have to go all the way.

It seems like most people have a revenge mentality when it comes to criminal justice though so were probably always going to have this half-assed system

Edit: I thought you said rotting in jail at first so I was a bit aggressive with my response