Current Events > Bill Maher blames Hollywood action movies for mass shootings.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

This still doesn't explain why other country's dont suffer from the same problem

The ease of access to guns is obviously the major difference from country to country. As I said, he deliberately made the point to say he isn't undercutting the fact that ease of access to firearms is also obviously a large factor. So if you immediately say that his intent is to undercut that you obviously didn't watch what he even said.

He's not proposing the solution to gun violence or mass shootings. He's calling out Hollywood on its hypocrisy.

Vyrulisse posted...

He has never wavered on his beliefs. Just because "the left" has moved further away into the realm of insanity doesn't mean he's now a fence-sitting relic. You should also learn what fence-sitting is before you try to use the term.

@Vyrulisse

The right has moved to "LGBTQ people are pedophiles and the people who support them should be investigated for abuse" and we're here crying about the radical left because Hollywood likes to fake care about the little guy or something.

Vyrulisse posted...

Way to miss the point. He isn't blaming them he's wondering why people in Hollywood that point fingers at everything else never point back at themselves. It's a fair avenue of inquiry.

I really wonder if CE is even capable of critical thinking sometimes.

So he isn't blaming violent movies, just wondering why people who make the violent movies blame everything except violent movies? What the fuck does that even mean? So his point seems to be "Yeah shootings are bad and all, but first let's not forget that woke liberals are hypocrites!" If Hollywood has nothing to do with the issue at hand, then bringing them up is irrelevant.

Solid Snake07 posted...

The ease of access to guns is obviously the major difference from country to country. As I said, he deliberately made the point to say he isn't undercutting the fact that ease of access to firearms is also obviously a large factor. So if you immediately say that his intent is to undercut that you obviously didn't watch what he even said.

He's not proposing the solution to gun violence or mass shootings. He's calling out Hollywood on its hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy of what? In the context of mass shootings and gun availability, what is Hollywood hypocritical on? What point are they undercutting?

Why stop at Hollywood? I've played violent video games almost every week for 20+ years. I've shot tens of thousands of video game NPCs and have no intent of stopping. Does this make me a hypocrite for having an issue with shootings and how easy it is to obtain a gun? Why and how if we've agreed video games are not part of the problem?

hockeybub89 posted...

Hypocrisy of what? In the context of mass shootings and gun availability, what is Hollywood hypocritical on? What point are they undercutting?

Why stop at Hollywood? I've played violent video games almost every week for 20+ years. I've shot tens of thousands of video game NPCs and have no intent of stopping. Does this make me a hypocrite for having an issue with shootings and how easy it is to obtain a gun? Why and how if we've agreed video games are not part of the problem?

The hypocrisy of condemning gun violence while simultaneously profiting off of the glorification of it?

He's also not calling for censorship of violent media either. To say he is or is undercutting the gun control debate is intellectually dishonest and just a weak ass dodge of even trying to respond to his actual point.

Of course, there are people who play video games and watch movies that glorify violence every day that have no intention of inflicting violence onto others. There are also people who've shot guns almost every day of their adult life that have no intention to do violence onto others. Obviously cutting guns out of the equation is a practical measure to lower gun violence. That doesn't mean there's no philosophical discussion to have about other aspects such as violent media and the messages young and dysfunctional men are getting from the media that they consume.

People who want to change media because of media's affect on society dismiss the idea of media affecting society wholesale.

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You should do like the rest of the world, ban Hollywood movies.

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Neither I nor Bill Maher is deflecting from the discussion of gun control. You're deflecting from even considering the aggregate negative effects of things you personally enjoy and consume.

When was the last time there was a proper shoot 'em up blockbuster?

Even John Wick movies tend to be more reserved on the gunplay than old-school macho action movies like the Rambo sequels.

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My only point this entire topic is that the vast majority of responses to this monologue either obviously didnt watch it or are misrepresenting what Maher actually said. Any notions of diverting were conjured up in your own head. Cause its definitely not based on anything he or I said.

Solid Snake07 posted...

The hypocrisy of condemning gun violence while simultaneously profiting off of the glorification of it?

He's also not calling for censorship of violent media either. To say he is or is undercutting the gun control debate is intellectually dishonest and just a weak ass dodge of even trying to respond to his actual point.

Of course, there are people who play video games and watch movies that glorify violence every day that have no intention of inflicting violence onto others. There are also people who've shot guns almost every day of their adult life that have no intention to do violence onto others. Obviously cutting guns out of the equation is a practical measure to lower gun violence. That doesn't mean there's no philosophical discussion to have about other aspects such as violent media and the messages young and dysfunctional men are getting from the media that they consume.

That's not hypocrisy because one is fake and one is real. And trying to argue that we need to have a philosophical discussion on the affect of media is, in fact, deflecting some blame from the actual causes.

And if he doesn't want to censor anything, then the exercise is pointless, because then he's basically saying "Yeah media is partially responsible for creating these monsters, and that's ok"

What does Bill want Hollywood to do? Stop making violent media, or to stop condemning gun violence? Also, are some people less hypocritical than others? Like, can an actor say something, but not a director or studio exec?

Fuck Bill Maher.

Vyrulisse posted...

He has never wavered on his beliefs. Just because "the left" has moved further away into the realm of insanity doesn't mean he's now a fence-sitting relic. You should also learn what fence-sitting is before you try to use the term.

Off topic. but what are some examples of the left moving into the realm of insanity?

Solid Snake07 posted...

My only point this entire topic is that the vast majority of responses to this monologue either obviously didnt watch it or are misrepresenting what Maher actually said. Any notions of diverting were conjured up in your own head. Cause its definitely not based on anything he or I said.

In the thread on "4 out of 10 Republicans ..." you wanted to move the discussion to where we draw the line with respect to other areas (unhealthy food). I'm not saying you are deflecting, just highlighting two instances where you wanted to discuss something outside gun regulation - I'm also not very familiar with your posting history, where exactly do you stand on gun regulation/laws?

Also, seems some Hollywood celebrities are recognizing this issue - does this mean it's less of an issue?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80056824

Why are people talking about Maher ITT as if he's not pro gun control? He literally has liberal beliefs on gun control.

People in other countries watch the same movies. The rest of the world loves American movies. But most countries don't have our mass shooting proble.