Current Events > Deltarune will maybe probably be disappointing

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We'll see or we won't see.

It's weird that the game is still free, though. Unless Toby Fox plans to start charging for the future parts.

Solar_Crimson posted...

It's weird that the game is still free, though. Unless Toby Fox plans to start charging for the future parts.

He is gonna charge for future parts. Chapters 1 and 2 are considered demos. Iirc he might have originally planned on charging for 2, but the wait was pretty long and he didnt have anything else ready. 3-5 are all supposed to drop at once and be paid. Then I think theres at least two more chapters after that.

Maybe when the final chapter is released in 2040 I'll be able to form an opinion

MC_BatCommander posted...

Maybe when the final chapter is released in 2040 I'll be able to form an opinion

lol

I mean undertale greatly changed me as a person, but I don't see deltarune doing so imho

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yeah, gameplay-wise it's already far above Undertale, and the story seems really interesting so far. It's also to note that the overall idea for Deltarune came before Undertale

frozenstar posted...

lol

I mean undertale greatly changed me as a person, but I don't see deltarune doing so imho

Why do you need it to be as good or life changing or whatever? Undertale is my favorite single player game but I don't really care if Deltarune lives up or not. I'll play it cause I like his work and I'm hoping it's decent and that's about it.

Master_Kazuya posted...

Why do you need it to be as good or life changing or whatever? Undertale is my favorite single player game but I don't really care if Deltarune lives up or not. I'll play it cause I like his work and I'm hoping it's decent and that's about it.

pathetic point of view in my opinion

It's never going to live up to Undertale because the illusion has been shattered. Part of what made so many people play or recommend Undertale was the subversive nature of the gameplay and how it screwed with conventions in a meta way when on the surface it just looked like an Earthbound homage pixel indie RPG. The twist was basically the whole appeal.

Now that everyone knows to expect all that stuff, Deltarune is absolutely going to disappoint. Not because it'll be bad, but because everyone knows what it is now and that takes something significant away from the product.

frozenstar posted...

pathetic point of view in my opinion

How?

frozenstar posted...

pathetic point of view in my opinion

At least you know your view is pathetic, idk why you'd openly embrace it though

It could be, but it probably might not be.

Master_Kazuya posted...

At least you know your view is pathetic, idk why you'd openly embrace it though

hurr let me shell out x2 the amount of undertale for an ugly stale

frozenstar posted...

hurr let me shell out x2 the amount of undertale for an ugly stale

No one's forcing you to buy it.

s0nicfan posted...

It's never going to live up to Undertale because the illusion has been shattered. Part of what made so many people play or recommend Undertale was the subversive nature of the gameplay and how it screwed with conventions in a meta way when on the surface it just looked like an Earthbound homage pixel indie RPG. The twist was basically the whole appeal.

Now that everyone knows to expect all that stuff, Deltarune is absolutely going to disappoint. Not because it'll be bad, but because everyone knows what it is now and that takes something significant away from the product.

Have you played weird route? It already has subversions there.

Solar_Crimson posted...

No one's forcing you to buy it.

no one is convincing me there's any reason to do so other that "UNDERTALE!!"

Did Undertale really change you or did you leave any change you could've had when you closed the browser window?

Deltarune will definitely be either a good game or a bad game.

badjay posted...

Have you played weird route? It already has subversions there.

That's kind of my point, though. Players know to look for a genocide route now, they know the game is aware and tracking their actions, they know it'll impact the ending or unlock a superboss. The discovery is purely mechanical now. It's "how do I unlock this game's version of X" instead of organically stumbling on something that actually reinterprets their understanding of the entire thing.

s0nicfan posted...

It's never going to live up to Undertale because the illusion has been shattered. Part of what made so many people play or recommend Undertale was the subversive nature of the gameplay and how it screwed with conventions in a meta way when on the surface it just looked like an Earthbound homage pixel indie RPG. The twist was basically the whole appeal.

Now that everyone knows to expect all that stuff, Deltarune is absolutely going to disappoint. Not because it'll be bad, but because everyone knows what it is now and that takes something significant away from the product.

Toby himself said "I know I can't make people feel the same thing as in Undertale, but maybe I can make you feel something else", so he is aware of that. He knows he's playing with Undertale's expectations

mehmeh1 posted...

Toby himself said "I know I can't make people feel the same thing as in Undertale, but maybe I can make you feel something else", so he is aware of that. He knows he's playing with Undertale's expectations

Like I said, it's not a ding on the game itself, and I'm glad Toby is aware of the problem he's facing. That isn't going to stop a lot of people from playing Deltarune after Undertale and feeling underwhelmed, but there's basically nothing Toby can do about it except tell a good story and hope that carries the game.

I remember when Undertale won Best Game Ever

s0nicfan posted...

That's kind of my point, though. Players know to look for a genocide route now, they know the game is aware and tracking their actions, they know it'll impact the ending or unlock a superboss. The discovery is purely mechanical now. It's "how do I unlock this game's version of X" instead of organically stumbling on something that actually reinterprets their understanding of the entire thing.

I mean it didn't exist in the first chapter so nobody was looking for that in the second chapter unless you read into the super secret hints. I mean if you go in getting spoiled by the fandom then yeah. But I was blind sided by weird route. I figured that was it until I read about weird route. And everything you said about organically stumbling onto it can totally happen in the second chapter.

Regardless, finding and fighting Spamton NEO was a treat especially with how Kris acts after it. That's a big treat compared to normal. And that's not even attached to doing a weird route or anything.

If weird route continues, it's going to be drastically different due to the implications of breaking arms/killing Berdly. By the way I didn't even know you could break his arm until reading it afterwards. That's a subversion in of itself, because it isn't apart of the weird route. Some people might think his arm ALWAYS gets broken. There's clearly now multiple different endings to get like in Undertale. I think that's a pretty big subversion of expectations. I think it's odd to just say I CAN'T BE SUBVERTED ANYMORE BECAUSE THE BIG PLOT TWIST HAPPENED AND NOW I CAN BE PROPERLY PREPARED. I mean...how many twists does Toby need to throw at you to be subverted? How many times did Undertale subvert things for you to be satisfied? I think the current stuff is already more than good enough, and I'm sure there's going to be even more. We still have to figure out who the roaring knight is. We're going to get DarkWorld Toriel and Undyne, that's going to be fun stuff to think about. Are those not subversions? They probably will be because of what we expect out of them.

Oh let's not talk about the eggs either. I found one my first run as a fluke. I didn't expect there to be a second. So that's another twist for me. Is this all just NORMAL expectations for you? Normal expectations of Toby? Normal expectations of RPGs in general? I've played RPGs and there isn't much consistency in them with how Toby rewards going back and checking things out like he does.

Yea with that opening setting what gave it away?