Poll of the Day > North Korea launched a missile over Japan.

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hypnox
10/04/22 5:02:04 AM
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https://apnews.com/article/seoul-south-korea-north-joint-chiefs-of-staff-1026206c80666f1fcdb3983ebf45e14b

Makes you wonder where those Missile defenses are if a missile can fly over Japan like that.

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VampireCoyote
10/04/22 5:07:37 AM
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changing their name from North Korea to Little Miss Thing Wants Attention

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Cacciato
10/04/22 5:17:52 AM
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hypnox posted...
Makes you wonder where those Missile defenses are if a missile can fly over Japan like that.
Makes me wonder if you actually know what constitutes missile defense, especially since it didnt hit Japan. Kind of a cringe comment for you to make.
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SoreChasm
10/04/22 5:23:49 AM
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I would've literally cringed if the missile had landed on me.

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HornedLion
10/04/22 11:19:18 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
changing their name from North Korea to Little Miss Thing Wants Attention

This really is what it feels like.

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teddy241
10/04/22 11:41:13 AM
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Iv always wanted to visit japan as a kid but not anymore. Screw you north korea.
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Count_Drachma
10/04/22 10:32:17 PM
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tbh, I was hearing about this on NPR tonight... and then they immediately changed the subject to Russian nukes. Maybe 2-3 minutes on the actual news then at least 10-15 minutes of talking about Russia's nukes and unironically claiming that Putin might use them, the same that they claimed Trump might release the nuclear arsenal just a few years ago.

Like wtf? The country launching nukes right now is a *bit* more worrying than Russia.

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AwesomeTurtwig
10/04/22 10:38:46 PM
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hypnox posted...
https://apnews.com/article/seoul-south-korea-north-joint-chiefs-of-staff-1026206c80666f1fcdb3983ebf45e14b

Makes you wonder where those Missile defenses are if a missile can fly over Japan like that.
Considering the thing was ballistic, and the impact zone is clearly not Japan, why shoot it down?

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Yellow
10/04/22 10:51:40 PM
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Let Putin's Russia collapse into a pile of ruins and invest in the welfare of the country afterward instead of screwing them over like we did last time

Continue to work with China in a commercial relationship

Buy off the NK government with economic relations the same way we did China, gradually encourage them to pull the stick out of their ass

Don't let the US collapse into a dictatorship in the meantime

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Kimbos_Egg
10/04/22 11:36:21 PM
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Yellow posted...
Let Putin's Russia collapse into a pile of ruins and invest in the welfare of the country afterward instead of screwing them over like we did last time

Continue to work with China in a commercial relationship

Buy off the NK government with economic relations the same way we did China, gradually encourage them to pull the stick out of their ass


because all 3 of these have worked so well in the past right?

"That rapist is going to rape you regardless! might as well give it to him!"

Fucking ridiculous.

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Yellow
10/04/22 11:55:49 PM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
because all 3 of these have worked so well in the past right?

"That rapist is going to rape you regardless! might as well give it to him!"

Fucking ridiculous.
@Kimbos_Egg

What do you mean by this? I said 3 things and you made a metaphor, I don't know which one you're talking about.

Buying their favor is what we did with (post) Nazi Germany and that worked out great.
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Kimbos_Egg
10/05/22 12:29:26 AM
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Yellow posted...
@Kimbos_Egg

What do you mean by this? I said 3 things and you made a metaphor, I don't know which one you're talking about.

Buying their favor is what we did with (post) Nazi Germany and that worked out great. Of course, we owned them at that point, but we made the most of it.

  1. russia was given money to build by the eu and others, especially by germany, which is why their petrol and natural gas supplies were so closely linked, as they thought if their economys were dependent on each other they'd behave. How'd that turn out?
  2. China didn't "work" with the west because they wanted a good economical relationship. they did it because they fell out with the soviet union and needed aid. They continued to fund wars against the west , are currently hacking our computers to steal trade secrets and are undermining us at every point. So another great relationship we should become even more dependent on, huh?
  3. Holy shit if you actually think giving north korea more money will somehow turn them into a democracy. How do you even function being this naive?

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Kimbos_Egg
10/05/22 12:30:41 AM
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not to mention "buying Germany's favour" huh? You literally were occupying them, they were completely dependent on you for aid, and as a buffer against east germany and the soviet union, but sure. Whatever you say.

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agesboy
10/05/22 12:37:19 AM
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i'm sure specialists were watching this every step of the way, and if there was actual danger, US-funded weapons would have neutralized any real threat

but still i'm surprised NK even tries this shit rather than pursue peaceful relations. no way in hell they can leverage whatever firepower they have into an advantageous situation vs the US-aligned world that will jump on them in a moment of actual aggression

jk i'm not surprised, hereditary despots fucking suck ass at administration

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Yellow
10/05/22 12:54:31 AM
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Kimbos_Egg posted...
1. russia was given money to build by the eu and others, especially by germany, which is why their petrol and natural gas supplies were so closely linked, as they thought if their economys were dependent on each other they'd behave. How'd that turn out?
2. China didn't "work" with the west because they wanted a good economical relationship. they did it because they fell out with the soviet union and needed aid. They continued to fund wars against the west , are currently hacking our computers to steal trade secrets and are undermining us at every point. So another great relationship we should become even more dependent on, huh?
3. Holy shit if you actually think giving north korea more money will somehow turn them into a democracy. How do you even function being this naive?
Ok, fine. Let me say something else then, because my post was lazy;

Maintaining good economic ties with a regime is a bad idea, that was wrong, like you say, because it supports them. Best you can do is wait for them to collapse and let the people know that you are not the enemy they've been taught to believe. The US used shock doctrine, which was largely considered a failure, and led to the rise of a strong man like Putin.

Is that better?
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Yellow
10/05/22 1:00:35 AM
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Basically, my understanding is that a big reason for WWII is that the world punished them for WWI and that paved the way for a strong man, whereas after WWII we focused more on rebuilding.
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hera
10/05/22 1:32:29 AM
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biggest plot twist of the century, north korea nukes russua

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Count_Drachma
10/05/22 1:55:14 AM
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Yellow posted...
Let Putin's Russia collapse into a pile of ruins and invest in the welfare of the country afterward instead of screwing them over like we did last time

The only problem is it's unlikely to collapse, even with all of the sanctions and boycotts. Not to mention going all stick removes any ability to discourage them, short of direct military action and if the US brought back the draft, the American people might overthrow their own government.

Yellow posted...
Continue to work with China in a commercial relationship

The easing of sanctions only makes sense if we're getting concessions. But yeah, trade is the West's strongest lever.

Yellow posted...
Buy off the NK government with economic relations the same way we did China, gradually encourage them to pull the stick out of their ass

*guffaws*

NK is almost nothing like China was, and unless you cut NK off from Russia and China then you're not going to have them in a spot where you can try to push for change with economic deals. Although, even then, until KJI is dead, it's unlikely you'll be able to make any headway.

Yellow posted...
Don't let the US collapse into a dictatorship in the meantime

The US is more likely to collapse than it is to turn into a dictatorship. Of course, that could change if gun bans go through. Granted, considering the US was shockingly okay with the NSA's massive intrusions into privacy, DHS's warrantless wiretaps, raids on news offices, and the torture of whistleblowers like Chelsea Manning, the US is already teetering.

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Count_Drachma
10/05/22 2:03:26 AM
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Yellow posted...
Ok, fine. Let me say something else then, because my post was lazy;

Maintaining good economic ties with a regime is a bad idea, that was wrong, like you say, because it supports them. Best you can do is wait for them to collapse and let the people know that you are not the enemy they've been taught to believe. The US used shock doctrine, which was largely considered a failure, and led to the rise of a strong man like Putin.

Is that better?

The problem with your argument is that it still makes no sense, though. You're advocating taking two different approaches to the same problem. Russia and China aren't all that dissimilar. And, considering China's reliance on slave labor, use of reeducation camps, spiriting away dissidents, and coercion of the WHO which greatly contributed to a global health crisis, the country is in many ways worse than Russia. The one and only difference -- so far -- is that it's not engaging in military campaigns. However, you call Putin a strongman yet you give Xi a pass. And, to be perfectly blunt, China *might* be closer to collapse than Russia. Considering China's economic woes, if we applied the same sanctions to them as we have to Russia, we could easily collapse the country and then go with your plan of rebuilding it in the US's image, although it's worth noting that plan has repeatedly backfired spectacularly most of the times we've collapsed foreign governments. I think our success rate on that is just Japan at this point. Central and South America, for instance, wound up overthrowing the puppet governments we put in place.

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agesboy
10/05/22 1:48:28 PM
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Count_Drachma posted...
and coercion of the WHO which greatly contributed to a global health crisis,
bruh

fuck china but they have done more (and CONTINUE to do more) to combat covid than anyone else

my friend recently (1-2 weeks ago) went to china for work and they quarantined him for like a month just to be safe

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Revelation34
10/06/22 1:25:20 AM
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agesboy posted...

bruh

fuck china but they have done more (and CONTINUE to do more) to combat covid than anyone else

my friend recently (1-2 weeks ago) went to china for work and they quarantined him for like a month just to be safe


All news China says is true after all.

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agesboy
10/06/22 2:06:24 PM
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i literally just posted about my friend's firsthand account of trying to travel in China

he was there during the height of lockdowns too, they essentially shut down the entire city he was at when it got real bad and only allowed very limited movement for basic necessities

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Vampire_Chicken
10/06/22 2:42:04 PM
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Yellow posted...
Basically, my understanding is that a big reason for WWII is that the world punished them for WWI and that paved the way for a strong man
There was no short, straight line between the Treaty of Versailles and the rise of Nazism.

The surge of support at the polls for the Nazis didn't occur after the Weimar economy had experienced its "gold plated" years of 1925-28. (The republic recovered strongly after the hyperinflation of 1923, and the twelve-month growth rate after the rebound from recession over the winter of 1926-27 was higher than anything achieved during the Third Reich.) Even during the Allied occupation of the Rhineland and the Ruhr, Hitler's NSDAP never managed to win more than 6.5% of the votes in federal elections; Ruhr workers themselves mostly stuck with the SPD, the Centre Party and the KPD. Even worse for the Nazis, the party's share of the vote actually fell from 6.5% in May 1924 to 3% in December that year, and crashed to a feeble 2.6% in May 1928.

In other words, even when popular memories of German defeat and Versailles were fresher and more bitter, the NSDAP still did badly at the ballot box. From 1920 to 1929, Germany's biggest party remained the centre-left Social Democratic Party.

In the German referendum of 1929 -- a vote on whether or not Germany should pass a law formally renouncing the Treaty of Versailles and ban the collection of reparations -- fewer than 15% of the electorate even bothered to turn out. Again, despite the conventional wisdom in today's school classrooms that Versailles stoked the German public so badly they rushed to vote Nazi out of spite, voters showed instead a remarkable amount of apathy about the Treaty as a specific issue.

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Yellow
10/06/22 7:00:45 PM
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I'm going to be honest, I appreciate everyone's posts, including you @Count_Drachma (zeus) and the people shitting on me, because I did not learn anything in history class. Even if I did spend 8 hours reading up on history, I'm pretty sure it would go out the other ear because I have an engineer's brain more than a history buff. I just sort of hone in on "how things work" more than "exactly what happened when and where".

Serious ADHD in regards to this stuff. (yes, diagnosed)

You know what would be cool? A world map of all history. So you have something like Google maps where you can change the slider chronologically and little details would change on the map like events and borders. Too many side projects to make something like that rn, but I'll put it in the ideas book.
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agesboy
10/06/22 8:51:35 PM
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Yellow posted...
You know what would be cool? A world map of all history. So you have something like Google maps where you can change the slider chronologically and little details would change on the map like events and borders. Too many side projects to make something like that rn, but I'll put it in the ideas book.
You can sorta do this with some historical Paradox Interactive games, most notably Europa Universalis 4. You can change the start date from 1444 to 1821 and the world map's borders will update correspondingly. It's not perfect because regions are separated into nodes that don't perfectly portray borders in reality, but it's still really neat to check out. Crusader Kings 2/3 has earlier start dates, but only at certain bookmarks (but it is a good way to find out how fucking prolific the Carolingian dynasty was at its peak.) Hearts of Iron 4 is a good way to see the geopolitical situation a few years before the outbreak of WW2 and see the big moves Hitler made before WW2.

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VampireCoyote
10/06/22 9:06:39 PM
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If someone launched a missile over me Id be pretty peeved

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