Current Events > waiting for a ffxi classic server to launch and tryin not to buy ffxiv endwalker

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havent played ffxiv since like idk, the second batch of eden stuff.
its like my most loved and hated game of all time. played off and on since the OG 1.0 closed beta in like 2010.
hate that combat is now just hyperfocused on output through memorization of GCD hotbar DDR routines, hate that they took away cross classing and stat allotment (however trivial it might have been), hate that they took away my god damn NMs, hate that they took away my mother fucking path companion, hate that they took my fuckin medium house because i quit for three months when my kid was born, hate the fuckin weird ass community
but at the same time its literally the prettiest world in gaming, i could build houses there til the end of time, and fwiw i really enjoy the dungeons and WHM is stupid fun if youre a glare whore

ffxi tho is legit my favorite game of all time
retail sucks dhalmel cock, but 75 cap circa 2006 was the fuckin bomb. it's kinda like playing the souls series, imo. either you really get into how un fucking fair it feels at times, or it just turns you off entirely. personally i loved it. loved the chill ass combat where i had time to bullshit with ppl, or give combat directions in between actions. skill chains and magic bursts are legit the coolest thing to ever grace a cooperative combat system. loved the entire concept and system of subjobs. loved how utterly imbalanced all the jobs were, yet each had its own unique role and purpose. loved camping NMs for days at a fuckin time just to have the chance at a drop. loved the community and the game structure that necessitated friendly and helpful interactions lest your risk being ostracized, which at that point you might as well not play because you couldnt do a god damn thing alone.

but at the same time, the community probably sucks just as bad as ffxiv's does now, and everyone's probably just gonna clique off into dramafest discords and in game chat will be dead as hell.

idk what to do

FFXI was fun but, 9/10 if you had any life outside the game you were fucked. I played on an FFXI pserver for a bit. Spend 3 hours waiting for your PUG to get online: he gets all the way to your location then dies and rage quits. Back to town to wait again. Spend all day grinding just to wipe and lose all your progress. It was fun the first couple times. Then it got miserable.

The game punished you for playing casually. There was no option to play for an hour or two. I quit in my 20s. Quit becasue it was clear if I didnt devote all my time to FFXI i'd never get anywhere.

I used to play FF11, back when it was still new. I never got very far. I tried but progress was so slow. You needed a group to do almost anything. I hated sitting in town for hours trying to het a group going. When WoW launched, I quit

FF14 is so much better, for its solo ability

can you plan 11 by yourself? I remember needing a party for like anything in that game

CruelBuffalo posted...

can you plan 11 by yourself? I remember needing a party for like anything in that game

People have told me its more possible to solo now. But I haven't seen it with my own eyes in almost 20 years. So I don't know how true it is

Balnazarr posted...

FFXI was fun but, 9/10 if you had any life outside the game you were fucked. I played on an FFXI pserver for a bit. Spend 3 hours waiting for your PUG to get online: he gets all the way to your location then dies and rage quits. Back to town to wait again. Spend all day grinding just to wipe and lose all your progress. It was fun the first couple times. Then it got miserable.

i fuckin love it. pour your misery down on me
https://gfycat.com/loathsomepertinentlcont

Zikten posted...

When WoW launched, I quit

FF14 is so much better, for its solo ability

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/0/AADGjTAADnvG.jpg

CruelBuffalo posted...

can you plan 11 by yourself? I remember needing a party for like anything in that game

no and yeah you gotta party for pretty much everything
fuckin love it. im a party animal

Zikten posted...

People have told me its more possible to solo now. But I haven't seen it with my own eyes in almost 20 years. So I don't know how true it is

this is a classic server with content up to the second expansion, and a level 75 cap. it is as brutal as it was back then.
edit: also yeah on retail you can solo level and most group content with trusts. FFXIV took the trust concept from FFXI.

oh dope
for this classic server the dev team remastered all the music and upscaled all the textures on character face/hair
new faces look great

CruelBuffalo posted...

can you plan 11 by yourself? I remember needing a party for like anything in that game

You can due to the trust system, but all the most broken AI companions are limited event rewards so you're going to struggle with the default options until the next super saiyan Shantoto event rolls around. And even then, that'll mostly just help you get through the story and farming for some items, but to get fully geared up for endgame you're going to need a guild.

I miss 75cap ffxi.

Being able to gearswap constantly was probably my favorite thing. It meant there was a point to getting those weird niche items.

I don't think I could play it now though, the pace is glacial.

game was incredible during the 75 cap and gave me moments i don't think any other game could ever give. but yeah if you couldn't no life it, it was a brutal game to try to progress in.

my dhalmel samurai was so fucking sick.

Balnazarr posted...

FFXI was fun but, 9/10 if you had any life outside the game you were fucked. I played on an FFXI pserver for a bit. Spend 3 hours waiting for your PUG to get online: he gets all the way to your location then dies and rage quits. Back to town to wait again. Spend all day grinding just to wipe and lose all your progress. It was fun the first couple times. Then it got miserable.

The game punished you for playing casually. There was no option to play for an hour or two. I quit in my 20s. Quit becasue it was clear if I didnt devote all my time to FFXI i'd never get anywhere.

This. I played the game for the better part of 10 years, but I kept buying games that I wanted to play eventually. They're still in my backlog. I loved FFXI, but there was no time for anything else if you had a job and a social life.

I actually contemplated trying to make a new ff11 account just now. I always wanted to see the full story but I couldn't do it back then. And now it seems hard to get the game to work on modern computers

Is the story even any good? How does it compare with ff14 story?

The story is good and it isn't hard to get it to run provided you can get through the ancient menu systems for account creation and subscriptions. You can even download and pre-install the game rather than waiting for the old-ass client to take 24 hours to install. The trust system and Windower/Ashita options are another layer of depth that make the game infinitely more playable than it was back in the day.

It's one of my favorite games of all time and I occasionally pick it back up every couple years to check in, but always end up with a case of "you can't go home again." Even though the vast majority of content is soloable, there's so much of it that it still makes me feel like I'd have to give my life to it in order to get anywhere.

Alucard188 posted...

This. I played the game for the better part of 10 years, but I kept buying games that I wanted to play eventually. They're still in my backlog. I loved FFXI, but there was no time for anything else if you had a job and a social life.

see the no life aspect of it is what appeals to me the most
i absolutely despise the modern mmo practice of locking 90% of progression behind a daily/weekly timegate to lengthen subscription times. raid lockouts are fine, but asking me to do a/some roulette dungeon(s) with randos every fuckin day to get raid geared is just a fucking chore.

i like a grind that i can just no fuckin life when i want to, and completely forget about when i dont. ffxi isn't cutthroat competitive, and outside of relic weaps(which aren't even in this server at launch i don't think) and fame, none of the ffxi grinds are really that game changing except skillups i guess (i enjoy skillup parties tho).

idk. i lost interest in wow when they started gating flying behind weeks and weeks of daily bullshit. i'm the kind of weirdo that would rather no life a rep grind over a weekend. i got my bloodsail pirate hat in BC

I'll never forget the day when I got my War to 17, sold everything I had to afford my Lizard armor set, including my previous equips, and upon traveling back I got aggro by a fucking goblin and it caught me before I could zone, died, deleveled and couldn't equip my armor.

God I miss that game.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

I'll never forget the day when I got my War to 17, sold everything I had to afford my Lizard armor set, including my previous equips, and upon traveling back I got aggro by a fucking goblin and it caught me before I could zone, died, deleveled and couldn't equip my armor.

God I miss that game.

right? cant fuckin wait to die again

also the updated face models actually look pretty fuckin good, and i guess they're allowing for more hair colors too
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/8/AADGjTAAD9JO.jpg

i dunno i like ff14

but i guess i dont know what it was like before lol. i get it.

i'm doing all the Hildibrand quests and lmao i can't get enough.

_BlueMonk posted...

i dunno i like ff14

but i guess i dont know what it was like before lol. i get it.

i'm doing all the Hildibrand quests and lmao i can't get enough.

i mean, it's not that it's a bad game. it's that they took away a lot of shit i liked about it. even trivial minor things that were largely superficial. did you know back in 1.0 there was an instanced market ward, and your retainer would stand in the market and ppl could browse it like a shop? fuckin loved going bargain hunting. in addition to retainers, you also had your own customizable companion that accompanied you on story quests and stuff. they spoke in cutscenes and had different personalities and shit too.

in 1.0, and early ARR, you could take abilities/spells you learned from other jobs and use them on your main. i remember soloing shit like cutter's cry while leveling on my PLD because i'm good at kiting and i cross classed cure spells.
and i fuckin love shit like that. i'll never forget going to the boyahda tree in FFXI for the first time and seeing a red mage soloing a NM (world boss kinda, rare loot) that usually took a full party to kill, by using gravity spells to kite and ninja cross-classed ninjutsu for evasion.
XIV used to have NMs/world bosses like that, but now they're just FATEs which are infinitely fucking lamer.

fuck in 1.0, you could level exclusively as a crafter/gatherer and still do the story, and while i never did it myself, so i can't speak to how well they pulled it off, the design philosophy was that you would be able to play the game entirely as a non-combat class.

were these systems perfect in ffxiv? not at all. they could have been vastly improved upon. but rather than refine and polish a lot of these systems, they just gutted them in favor of streamlining.

what i wanted was FFXI-2. what I got was final fantasy flavored world of warcraft.

Oubliettes posted...

see the no life aspect of it is what appeals to me the most
i absolutely despise the modern mmo practice of locking 90% of progression behind a daily/weekly timegate to lengthen subscription times. raid lockouts are fine, but asking me to do a/some roulette dungeon(s) with randos every fuckin day to get raid geared is just a fucking chore.

i like a grind that i can just no fuckin life when i want to, and completely forget about when i dont. ffxi isn't cutthroat competitive, and outside of relic weaps(which aren't even in this server at launch i don't think) and fame, none of the ffxi grinds are really that game changing except skillups i guess (i enjoy skillup parties tho).

idk. i lost interest in wow when they started gating flying behind weeks and weeks of daily bullshit. i'm the kind of weirdo that would rather no life a rep grind over a weekend. i got my bloodsail pirate hat in BC

But, that's exactly the problem. The game punishes you for not no lifing. If you weren't on constantly you were never getting anywhere. If you had a job or life you had no chance at ever doing anything. All my LS leveling buddies just played 24/7 basically and played nothing else. That's poor game design.

I played EQ project 1999. It's hardcore but, I don't have to play 24/7 to get anywhere. The only time that's true is for endgame raids. I shouldn't feel like I'm wasting my time if I don't dedicate every waking moment to the game. FFXi punishes you for doing anything outside the game. And the community loves it. I mean my LS would joke "You should quit your job if you want to play FFXI". Like, fuck that.

I played modern FFXI to endgame and quit. I got bored. The endgame grind was pointless and the community was increasingly hostile towards newbies at endgame.

I loved the combat system. I'd love to go back to Classic FFXI but, man, being told you can't do anything unless you turn this game into your life. Nah, a game is fun not a job. I don't want to make the game consume my entire life to the point all I can do is wake up and grind forever.

Balnazarr posted...

I'd love to go back to Classic FFXI but, man, being told you can't do anything unless you turn this game into your life. Nah, a game is fun not a job. I don't want to make the game consume my entire life to the point all I can do is wake up and grind forever.

i never felt that way about ffxi. i leveled, camped nms, and did HNMs with my LS. ppl were cool af. when i quit, the only grind was relic, and very very very few ppl had them.

regardless tho, some ppl like the grind.
and like you have dozens of options for casual time gate weekender bullshit mmos
wheres my no life game?

Good luck TC

sauceje posted...

Good luck TC

thanks imma play WHM, then BRD, this time so hopefully party finding is easy
oh that's another thing FFXIV pissed me off about. BRD in XI was a pure support job. literally the only thing it did was buffs, debuffs, and crowd control. still the most sought after job in the game. literally every party wanted a bard. XIV bard is just fucking XI ranger in stupid ass clothes. support classes were the shit, having only different flavors of trinity classes is boring AF.

and fwiw i realize i have weird tastes that run counter to current market trends in MMOs to the point of being financially unviable. but there's already 4000 preregistrations for this fuckin classic private server for a 20 year old game so at least i'm not alone in being weird.

and the saddest part of all is i sit here bitching about xiv with endwalker in my amazon cart

I'm sorry you have so many gripes about the game. FFXIV is far from perfect but I think it's pretty good and fun regardless. I don't know how I would deal with having a love & hate relationship with the game, but then again that's probably how I feel about Maplestory and I got myself playing that dumb shit anyway lol

word
i hate it bc i love it i guess
im a legacy account so ive got a lifetime discount on my subscription. might resub and dick around til that server launches. haven't played since the second eden patch so im sure i got a ton of msq before i could even start endwalker.

fuck me
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/5/AADGjTAAD9TB.jpg

lol fuck
all of my shit is on my retainers which i have to pay another $14 to access

Oubliettes posted...

hate that combat is now just hyperfocused on output through memorization of GCD hotbar DDR routines,

Endwalker made this even worse btw.

Im in a similar spot with the game where I mostly play for the raids and while raid design feels really good class design feels like its at an all time low so idk man.

Oubliettes posted...

i never felt that way about ffxi. i leveled, camped nms, and did HNMs with my LS. ppl were cool af. when i quit, the only grind was relic, and very very very few ppl had them.

regardless tho, some ppl like the grind.
and like you have dozens of options for casual time gate weekender bullshit mmos
wheres my no life game?

That's the problem: why do you want to no life? When the game requires you to turn it into a second job to get anywhere. How is that fun? I'm not asking for instant grat. I love a small grind. But, FFXI forceed me to play non-stop to get anywhere. It punished me for having a life outside an MMO. You can see how stupid this is?

When things went smooth the grind wasn't really that bad. But, 9/10 the ride was rough. I always felt like if I wasn't playing non-stop I was wasting time. People constantly talked about having no life outside the game. Being online 18 hours a day.

Why should I. the player, be punished for having a life outside an MMO? Again: I freaking hate the instant gratification of modern MMOs that eradicate the social life. But, surely, a balance can be found. Project 1999 was fun as fuck. But, the endgame was ass because if you weren't on 24/7 and available at a moments notice you would never raid or do anything.

idk it just felt because I wasn't playing 24/7 I was wasting everyone's time. It took so long to get a group and level you couldn't just login for a couple hours and make progress. I had to devote all day to do much of anything.

Balnazarr posted...

That's the problem: why do you want to no life?

bc im in the middle of a divorce and i aint got shit to do lol

real talk tho i guess i just never felt the need to be PvE competitive in ffxi. i felt like i could absolutely play it at my own pace, and idk maybe im just social but i never had trouble finding a group unless i was playing DRG, and unless you were like going to cape terrigan or something no one gave a shit if you only had like 2 hours to play.

im a super casual hardcore player i guess lol. i spent all of COVID lockdown teaching ppl how to do ruby extreme in xiv because i like helping newbies and beef soft tacos was a banger. did it over 200 times lol, got the mount on my 8th run.

Iron-Tarkus posted...

Endwalker made this even worse btw.

Im in a similar spot with the game where I mostly play for the raids and while raid design feels really good class design feels like its at an all time low so idk man.

yuck
yeah i'm just super not a fan of overly complex rotations. i like simple rotations (like 1-3 keys tops) with further proc and situation based ability priorities. RDM kinda plays like that, but i wasn't really a fan of the in-out playstyle. so i started maining WHM lol

said fuck it and bought endwalker. used my last fantasia and went bunny dude. kinda regret it but oh well

Are they making an official 11 classic server?

solosnake posted...

Are they making an official 11 classic server?

nah its unofficial, but it's prolly the idk most "professional" one i've seen
they've got like 30 ppl on their dev team and have put a shit ton of polish into it
it's very much a hardline classic server like nasomi was, w/o exp buffs and trusts and other QOL stuff
but, they've tweaked certain things balance wise to make certain classes not suck to play (like THF)

god damn
i have no clue whats going on in the story bc i havent thought about it in two years
and the last fifteen fuckin story quests are go here talk to this person go here watch this cutscene about some shit i dont remember or care about atm and its just sapping my will to play lol

Oubliettes posted...

lol fuck
all of my shit is on my retainers which i have to pay another $14 to access

You played yourself

sauceje posted...

You played yourself

i paid for it anyways lol
my retainers are my money maker
10 max lvl retainers returns millions a day if you keep ventures rolling and your luck isn't shit

bought an apartment in lavender beds and started decorating
realized i lost like 20 verdant partitions cause i didnt pull them out of my house when i quit, ouch

i did find out i have a helmet worth 50 mil tho so that's cool. hopefully someone buys it

yeah i dont think i'll ever have that experience again
ppl are different, i'm different
but damn if i could go back and play that shit again as a listless 16 year old on summer break fuck i'd do it in a heart beat. i wish i still had my ffxi screenshots. i could have sworn they were in my photobucket but i guess not.

finished my apartment in ffxiv. i spent like 85/100 decoration slots on the fuckin walls lol

https://imgur.com/2mYVX4I
https://imgur.com/a/tUIOrj8
https://imgur.com/a/7R9uhjm

this my bunny dude. like this new hoodie cause i can lord my shitty legacy tatt over the plebs
https://imgur.com/a/PnjuP85

think i might play sage idk
haven't even started the new expack. still on 5.2 missions

I can remember staying up late on school nights playing ff11, and seeing names above peoples heads irl because I had spent so much time playing the game lol

Oubliettes posted...

i absolutely despise the modern mmo practice of locking 90% of progression behind a daily/weekly timegate to lengthen subscription times. raid lockouts are fine, but asking me to do a/some roulette dungeon(s) with randos every f***in day to get raid geared is just a f***ing chore.

This is why ffxiv you can leave anytime and go your own pace though.

Also, who said you need to do this to beat the raids? World firsts happen on crafted gear.

Ffxiv doesn't do it to increase sub times.

WingsOfGood posted...

Also, who said you need to do this to beat the raids? World firsts happen on crafted gear.

most people aren't playing with people good enough to get world firsts

sauceje posted...

most people aren't playing with people good enough to get world firsts

Sure but then it means your gear isn't what is holding the clear

WingsOfGood posted...

This is why ffxiv you can leave anytime and go your own pace though.

Also, who said you need to do this to beat the raids? World firsts happen on crafted gear.

Ffxiv doesn't do it to increase sub times.

is this a serious post
why is the amount and frequency with which you can obtain tomestones/badges/whatever mmo pre-raid currency limited then?

that reminds me tho
until abyssea (which was like 8 years after ffxi came out), ffxi endgame(and leveling tbh) gear was permanently relevant. there was a level 33 neckpiece that was in the game since launch afaik that was frequently recognized as one of the best items in the game for basically any physical job.
k club, hauby, scorp harness, elemental/cure staves, ridill, osode, etc. etc.
good shit stayed good for years and years. new shit came out that did other good shit w/o making old shit obsolete. it was rad.

Oubliettes posted...

why is the amount and frequency with which you can obtain tomestones/badges/whatever mmo pre-raid currency limited then

The system prevents most the playerbase from getting the rewards and no longer doing the content

See what happens when the weekly cap goes away

It is healthy to promote having others to play with

WingsOfGood posted...

The system prevents most the playerbase from getting the rewards and no longer doing the content

See what happens when the weekly cap goes away

It is healthy to promote having others to play with

you are literally describing padding subscription times lol. and there's ways to do that w/o basing it around an arbitrary limit met through daily repetitive activity
if you like that shit, thats cool
i dont. hated it when wow introduced it with heroic badges, hate it now.