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ZeldaTPLink
02/28/23 6:51:51 PM
#1:


Greetings. I just bought this thing B8 keeps talking about on Steam and now I'm playing it.

This playthrough is being originally posted first in some discord channel, mostly on phone, which means the text may not be very well edited and may lack capitals letters

Let's go.

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This was a pain to launch. I had to do some weird menu stuff to make the game open. I get it that it's an old game and I'm not entirely pissed because the option was there, but if steam wants to be a platform for selling and running games, they should make this stuff work more easily too. I had a similar issue with Bastion last year.

Music is good. Man this is from 2004? for some reason I thought it was a newer game. No matter, I love old games.

The opening. I thought it was going to copy the style of the Tales series openings but then it just showed a bunch of characters with no context. The whole things just shows peace times, no conflict. But it was well put.

Estelle and Joshua, the main leads, seem play a gender reversed stuff of the usual JRPG setup, with the dumb and reckless hero guy and the mysterious, gentle girl with ties to the main plot (I briefly read a description from the game that suggests Joshua is important). Also their hobbies suggest she is the melee and he is the caster, though I have no idea if the gameplay fits with that.

Simple put, she is Lloyd and he is Collete.

you start at lv 3? weird. does that mean there are npcs with lower levels or is it just a cosmetic thing?

these characters are fast as hell. I dont remember the last time I saw this fast movement without power ups in an RPG

wild guess, this Fate dude is evil. though odds are hes just unimportant. If you have no idea who I'm talking about, it's the later (I mean the npc guy who says he's old friends with Estelle's dad, really gives me the vibes of that traitor guy from Xenoblade).

the game's dialogue is weirdly sexist (every character keeps pointing out how amazing it is that a girl can do boy things), and I'm not sure if it's setting something up (Estelle will prove that all that sexism is BS) or if the game is a victim of its time and therefore that dialogue will stay commonplace. Either way, Estelle is having none of it.

I finish Very Linear Sewer dungeon and learn the battle system while also joining the bracers. Pretty standard stuff. crafts seem a lot better than arts so far, though they are more expensive. This was mostly easy but i came close to dying in the first boss because I wasted time. I feel like this game is gonna kill me a lot.

Estelle manages to not open a box that was placed there to test her personal resposibility of not opening the box. Except that only happened because Joshua told her not do. Is that cheating the test?
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NFUN
02/28/23 6:55:43 PM
#2:


hell yeah I missed this board in 2016

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NBIceman
02/28/23 6:56:44 PM
#3:


Oh cool, I'll keep up with this.

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02/28/23 7:00:36 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/8/6/AAMjyOAAEOpq.jpg

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catesdb
02/28/23 7:02:03 PM
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tag

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ZeldaTPLink
02/28/23 7:06:04 PM
#6:


I will not play every day, tbh. Though I tend to play a lot more in the weekends.
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Xiahou_Shake
02/28/23 7:50:07 PM
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Hey, I'm just finishing up the second one of these! Will be fun to see somebody else's reactions, I definitely have a lot of thoughts and am looking forward to playing the rest of the series.

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pyresword
02/28/23 8:02:54 PM
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Tag, though I usually don't have much actual input in these topics.

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ZeldaTPLink
02/28/23 8:16:55 PM
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This game has such a convenient way of teaching recipes (assuming it works as stated) I'm here wondering why I haven't seen any newer games do it.

Recipes are often the one thing I don't bother getting 100% on

Some dumb kids run to a tower to prove they can fight monsters so I gotta save their butts. Classic.

This is usually when heavy plot shit happens as the MC is distracted

Getting to the tower is tough enough, with those plant enemies who push you. How did those kids even manage?

Ok recipes are not as simple as I imagined. Apparently you have to eat prepared meals to get the recipes, not the raw ingredients? But how do I get those?

Im given the option to have estelle run alone to save the kids or run slowly so joshua comes too. I pick the layer and we kill two monsters before the fight starts. What happens if I pick the former? Estelle is screwed because thats a shit plan?

Escort mission beaten. No plant enemies helps

The dialogue after the battle is written in a way that would work whether I picked either option

Blue haired kid is a douchebag. Estelle is ready to give him physical punishment for that. You go girl.

Dad shows up to save us from a stronger monster. But we all know it's because he got tired of waiting for us to bring the newspaper so he came to learn what was taking so long. Those dumb millenials can't even bring a man's news on time.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/7/AAO9CbAAEOqx.jpg

that's um... a creative way to express anger

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pyresword
02/28/23 8:23:29 PM
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Angry Estelle is a treasure

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colliding
02/28/23 8:47:08 PM
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I don't know if the game's dialogue is sexist so much as it is extremely upfront and clunky re: gender norms, intentionally so. even when it was released it felt a bit antiquated.

the game feels well intentioned but I'm not sure it lands whatever it ends up going for, but I'll definitely take this over what the later parts in the series eventually turns into. estelle being well-written helps immensely.

these games are all great but I can't help but have some reservations when it comes to its female characters

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tcaz2
02/28/23 9:38:48 PM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Im given the option to have estelle run alone to save the kids or run slowly so joshua comes too. I pick the layer and we kill two monsters before the fight starts. What happens if I pick the former? Estelle is screwed because thats a shit plan?

You do the battle with extra enemies and you get less Bracer Points.
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ZeldaTPLink
03/01/23 4:23:50 AM
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colliding posted...


the game feels well intentioned but I'm not sure it lands whatever it ends up going for, but I'll definitely take this over what the later parts in the series eventually turns into. estelle being well-written helps immensely.

You mean the other games after Sky?
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ZeldaTPLink
03/01/23 4:25:55 AM
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tcaz2 posted...
You do the battle with extra enemies and you get less Bracer Points.

Ngl I was going to do the reckless option for the lulz but I had come this close to a game over in the forest (had to spend all my items on a single battle) and I wanted to just get this mission over with safely.

Either this game is more difficult than the usual for a JRPG or I'm failing to get something.
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Thorn
03/01/23 5:17:41 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Ok recipes are not as simple as I imagined. Apparently you have to eat prepared meals to get the recipes, not the raw ingredients? But how do I get those?
So, eventually when you go to like an Inn when you talk to the innkeeper there'll be an option along with Talk/Rest that is like "Hamburger w/Fries - 500 mira" that you can select and that'll get you the recipe.

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Mega_Mana
03/01/23 6:46:12 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...


Either this game is more difficult than the usual for a JRPG or I'm failing to get something.

I think FC has a great deal of difficulty, especially early on, just because you pretty much don't have any cushion. Your spell pool is extremely limited, your crafts are few, you don't have much money and what you do have needs to be spent wisely, and the enemies are really strong against what you have available.

I think the difficulty eases up as you get more options to play with. As I was typing all that out, I think a great analogy would be Pokemon RB. Remember when you first played Pokemon and how you're stuck with Tackle/Scratch and Growl/Tail Whip for a while, and a lot of your money is being spent on Potions and Antidotes because you keep running out (especially in Red since Weedle are far more prevalent)? And then you hit Brock, and if you started with Charmander, you're in for a world of hurt? But once you get to make a more varied team, the game is still difficult but you can reassess and reorganize your party and try out different things to tackle problems? That's FC with spell set-ups and accessorizing and new enemy types, etc.

FC is brutal at first. I hate hate hate those plants on the Mainz Path. I love just smashing all those enemies in NG+ with ease. Very cathartic.

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ZeldaTPLink
03/01/23 10:23:38 AM
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After I got to the tower I started checking the monster guide and it told me plants are weak to fire. I'm going to start looking at it more often.
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Big_Bob
03/01/23 2:10:42 PM
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I beat the first game in the series recently. Just a heads-up, I didn't feel invested in the story until the end of Chapter 2. It gets WAAAAY better from there, though.

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ZeldaTPLink
03/01/23 4:21:42 PM
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Ok I just realized this game is actually 3 and I only bought the 1st (and the 2nd is double the price). Also apparently the 3rd is just an epilogue?

Steam takes the FC from the name so I thought I was buying the whole Sky subseries (is that how I call it?) since I read they were originally meant to be one game.

No matter, if this is good I'm playing all of it. Not sure about other Trails games though, the size of this series is very daunting.
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Thorn
03/01/23 4:25:07 PM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Also apparently the 3rd is just an epilogue?
Not really. The idea that 3rd is "just" an epilogue or optional is one of the most infuriating misconceptions that has somehow taken root everywhere. (Not directed at you but more how it's become so widespread that you encountered it)

It sets up a lot for the future games.

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NBIceman
03/01/23 4:29:50 PM
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The 3rd is also really, really awesome in its own right.

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Thorn
03/01/23 4:39:23 PM
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It was my favorite game of all time until Xenoblade 3!

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tcaz2
03/01/23 4:50:41 PM
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The story that starts in FC ends in SC but yeah, 3rd is not optional. It's narratively got just as much closure as SC, if not more, but for different things, and is quite important to the series overall past Sky.

And yes, 3rd is just great in general anyway. It's my favorite of the Sky games.
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NFUN
03/01/23 4:56:45 PM
#24:


3rd is the best trails game

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colliding
03/01/23 7:36:40 PM
#25:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
You mean the other games after Sky?

yes, specifically the cold steel series

also I think 3rd can be considered optional if you don't plan on going any further with the series. controversial take, I know.

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MZero
03/01/23 9:41:38 PM
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Don't mind me just here to say 3rd is the best Trails game

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Xiahou_Shake
03/01/23 9:44:35 PM
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All these folks saying 3rd is the best Sky or even Trails game period are making me really excited that it's the next one I'll be playing!

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pyresword
03/01/23 10:09:05 PM
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3rd is very different. I like it a lot, but it's one of the more controversial entries for reasons that are very understandable.

Also for the record I agree with 3rd not being necessary if you aren't planning on continuing with the series. FC and SC are more or less a standalone story. 3rd has an important role in the context of the series as a whole as well as introduces some specific plot threads for the next sub-series, but I don't think you'd feel like you were missing something if FC and SC was all you had. I do like 3rd a lot though so I recommend it on its own terms even aside from any importance it has or doesn't have to the rest of the series.

Also I don't really advise trying to engage with the series as a whole--just take it game-by-game and keep playing if you want to see more or don't if you're tired of it.

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FL81
03/02/23 11:45:31 AM
#29:


Estelle is Bestelle

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ZeldaTPLink
03/02/23 6:59:20 PM
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after the entire cast spends the day diminishing Estelle's skills, she starts doubting herself. Then Joshua steps in and cheers her up, also saying being a ditz is what makes her great, not being someone she isn't. Ok I like this guy.

Like, I hate the way characters treat Estelle. Again, compare with Lloyd. He was a non-intellectual, but people only ever made fun of him when he showed that lack of knowledge. When he was being competent and resourceful (which was almost all the time), they respected him. Estelle is almost universally disrespected. She saved a kid's life and he still had the nerve to call her incompetent. She should have dropped him out of the tower's window or something

So Joshua is being corny but it's the type of corny this game needs. I want to play the it just to see Estelle making people shut up, while Joshua helps with that

Estelle's dad seems like a cool guy too but he prefers to be a doofus when his daughter is around so it's hard to get a read of him

He gets a letter from PLOT and leaves us to do sidequests for him. Lame. I wanna go deal with PLOT too!

Josh says some mysterious stuff that will obviously never come up again, and with that, Prologue is over
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Thorn
03/02/23 7:33:41 PM
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Just started IIRC.

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tcaz2
03/02/23 7:39:30 PM
#32:


Yeah the Prologue just started.
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ZeldaTPLink
03/02/23 7:55:40 PM
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So that was a pro-prologue. Hum.

ok, did some sidequests for cash and xp. first is going back to the swerers to pick up a shiny thing for another ungrateful kid. He basically pays in meatballs, which is pretty cool I suppose.

Next is finding a miniboss plant in the way to the farm, where the I'm supposed to do one of dad's quests. On the way I mercilessly destroy all plant enemies, now armed with the knowledge that plants are weak to fire.

I approach the miniboss and decide to rush it with fire plus both my s-crafts. I think I probably overdid it but turns out it was barely enough, because the boss survives and promptly kills joshua. Then I finish it off with Estelle, it self destructs and almost kills her too. Ouch. But it's down and I've made money. I buy a new pair of shoes for Joshua and open one of his orbment slots.
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NFUN
03/02/23 8:38:40 PM
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FYI, you get a third character at some point during the Prologue, so if there's something giving you trouble that's not on a short time limit you can wait until you get them to do it

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ZeldaTPLink
03/04/23 3:00:29 PM
#35:


this game's battle song has been living rent free in my head for the whole week. It's very catchy

you know what this game lacks? treasure chests in towns. what is the point of designing all those detailed interiors if I can't plunder them? Smh

we go to a farm, and spend the day there waiting for monsters who attack at night so we may kill them. Hmm, where have I seen that? (Majora's Mask).

so the local women are all attracted to Joshua, except Estelle, in classic anime protagonist fashion

yes Estelle, that's the best time to debate where babies come from

monsters beaten. They use magic but their stats arent so high. I guess it helps to do sidequests before engaging with the main story. and this time we explore Joshua's character weaknesses for a change

beating up soldiers to make them realize how much they suck is a peculiar kind of sidequest, but I like it.

maxed out the weapons/armor available from shops, so now I'm filling up the cookbook. I learn of a pasta recipe that's easy to make and heals the whole party, so I'm stocking on ingredients for that. next order of business is to open more slots, but I have a shitton of red quartz and little of the other colors.
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Xiahou_Shake
03/04/23 3:18:01 PM
#36:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
you know what this game lacks? treasure chests in towns. what is the point of designing all those detailed interiors if I can't plunder them? Smh
This bugged the crap out of me during FC but I eventually started thinking of the dialogue as the treasure. Totally ridiculous how much (constantly changing!) dialogue is in these games and basically all of it helps build the world up.

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ZeldaTPLink
03/04/23 3:19:11 PM
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Xiahou_Shake posted...
This bugged the crap out of me during FC but I eventually started thinking of the dialogue as the treasure. Totally ridiculous how much (constantly changing!) dialogue is in these games and basically all of it helps build the world up.

You are not wrong, but still doesn't justify those houses with 3-4 empty rooms each.
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catesdb
03/04/23 3:38:39 PM
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Have you re-checked any empty chests yet?

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ZeldaTPLink
03/04/23 3:39:58 PM
#39:


catesdb posted...
Have you re-checked any empty chests yet?

Uh... one, while I was backtracking for a sidequest. Said there was a dead spider in it.

Do items in chests respawn or something?
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catesdb
03/04/23 3:42:12 PM
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You are not wrong, but still doesn't justify those houses with 3-4 empty rooms each.

There are a handful of hidden quests in the game, I think, so you might be on the lookout for that? I guess I don't remember how they're all triggered.

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catesdb
03/04/23 3:43:00 PM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Uh... one, while I was backtracking for a sidequest. Said there was a dead spider in it.

Do items in chests respawn or something?

Nah, but each empty chest will have a different message in it. Not always a dead spider.

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ZeldaTPLink
03/05/23 7:22:24 AM
#42:


the mine's song is really good

I come here for a mission thats supposed to be simple, but because some intern decided to dig where he was not supposed to, he opened a hole to a den of monsters and now they are everywhere. Godamn interns.

... is it just me or the intern has an agenda?

Estelle pretending she dropped the hyper valuable rock to troll them is awesome

Mayor: "the mucguffin will be safe in here"
Narrator: "It wouldn't be"

3rd slot unlocked for both my characters, and i'm already starting to get analysis paralysis from all the options

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/1/AAO9CbAAEPoP.jpg

Urban Dictionary, help me!

escort missions can be annoying, but escorting a goofy photographer who can blind enemies by taking photos of them is fun, ngl

I finally learn an AoE attack (Hurricane) and I feel like I'm going to spam it a lot

I touched a treasure chest after picking the item and the narration scolded me for being greedy

the escorting is less fun when you are fighting 3 spellcaster enemies who like to snipe the npc in the first turn, though

"The chest mocks you with its emptiness"

so this tower houses one of seven elemental goods who drstroyed a civilization 1200 years ago. We are going to have to defend this from some villain later on, right

back at Bracer's guild. Schera tries to invite two underage kids to drink. Then they turn down, and she starts making sexual advances at a 16yo. That is a character right there.

predictably, the ultra rare crystal was stolen from the mayor's house. Whodunnit?

Calling it now: it was the intern

Let's Play Estelle Wright - Ace Attorney

Schera joins the party! "Paper Mario song plays"

she starts 4 levels higher and has one more slot than estelle and joshua do. Okay

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ZeldaTPLink
03/05/23 11:11:50 AM
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Schera's Aerial spell is already miles better than Estelle's AoE attack

I go into the forest to look for the thief. though what I really want is to find a bear claw to complete a sidequest that gives a pathetic amount of money. priorities

and the thief I find, along with her henchmen. One of with is the intern. Knew it!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/5/AAO9CbAAEPqV.jpg

Estelle is using high font.

All bets are off.

wow. my ass was completely handed to me

Schera's Sadist Whip is a contender for top 5 scariest move in gaming

beat the boss in the 2nd try. My strategy was going to be to use the Impede skill to attack the boss so she wouldn't heal herself, however I got lucky with Soul Blur hax (20% chance to cause faint) and the rest was just focus firing on the main guy. While the henchmen have high hp but their attack is pitiful, so you are meant to ignore them. The lesson is: if you have a move that inflicts crippling status 20% of the time, SPAM IT.

thief girl has a brother (probably, same hair color) who is her partner in crime. Looks like this is the game's Team Rocket.

Esteless vows to thwack-bam-kapow them the next time they meet. We are all hyped for that.

I receive the local gym badge. I mean, bracer recommendation. and now I have to get the other 4 from other regions to become a pokemon master. I mean, senior bracer. To give some extra motivation, someone made the airship dad was in disappear. Prologue is over. That was one long prologue tbh.

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ZeldaTPLink
03/06/23 7:19:12 PM
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Going to the next region, Bose

guards says although I have obtained permission to go to Bose, I don't yet have permission to come back from it. This is... obnoxious

For all people love this queen, she surely has a very authoritarian system going on

this game's exp system is very self balancing. Since Schera joined, Estelle and Josh gained 3 levels each. She's gained none.

Bose has though foes, but so far I've been able to stay ahead of them by using the orbment that shows them in the map so I can sneak from behind. I feel like I'm about to do a lot of equipment shopping to keep up with combat, though

Names to remember: General Mogran. The guy who saved the country from invasion 10 years ago. Going by usual jrpg plot twist writing, that's prime material for a surprise game villain

I explore Bose City, and find the market, with a lot of shops. the equipment selection isnt great, but I get a couple stuff

then I explore more and find the actual equipment shop in a random alley, where all the good stuff are
I don't feel guilty for resetting the game to get my money back

first rule of rpg equipment buying: upgrade weapons first. the way the math usually works is that you have to buy multiple equipment pieces to get to the ideal level of power, while for weapons there is always just one

plus killing things before their turn arrives is the best defense. btw, I've been reading around and everyone and their dog says the best stat in the game is speed. I'm picking my orbments accordingly

the mayor is going to hire us to do the thing we were already going to do. which is awfully convenient
not just for the money but also cuz we get to tell "GTFOut of my way, the mayor sent me here" to npcs

we find the mayor yelling at merchants to make them lower the price of food. I'd vote for her
oh ok she owns the market. classic.

mayor: "I want you to investigate the airship disappearance, because the airspace being closed is bad for business". Capitalism, ho.

basically we are using the power of corporate politics to get the army to shut up and let us pass. this is realistic

we do a small sidequest for a restaurant and they give us a recipe as a reward. Estelle asks them if it's not dangerous to reveal their recipe, to which the woman responds that nope, it's not like estelle has any hope of getting to her level. ouch
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Thorn
03/06/23 7:22:44 PM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
btw, I've been reading around and everyone and their dog says the best stat in the game is speed. I'm picking my orbments accordingly
yes this is accurate

action quartz best quartz

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catesdb
03/06/23 7:53:58 PM
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General Mogran
I love the idea of the locals getting this wrong

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th3l3fty
03/06/23 8:24:26 PM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
this game's exp system is very self balancing. Since Schera joined, Estelle and Josh gained 3 levels each. She's gained none.

Falcom's system of scaling EXP based on your levels and the enemy's levels is great and should be used in more games

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Panthera
03/06/23 8:32:39 PM
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General Morgan was so much more fun when he was a captain

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Mega_Mana
03/06/23 8:47:19 PM
#49:


catesdb posted...
I love the idea of the locals getting this wrong

Hehe, yup! No wonder he's so ornery!

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ZeldaTPLink
03/07/23 5:44:23 AM
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Must. Not. Click. Spoiler.
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