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pionear
03/27/23 1:24:17 PM
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https://news.yahoo.com/suspect-dead-shooting-nashville-private-161355662.html

3 kids, 2 adults in Nashville

When will it end...
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Jen0125
03/27/23 1:24:43 PM
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I was thinking it'd actually been a while since the last major mass shooting. Like 3-4 weeks?
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MightBeOverSoon
03/27/23 1:49:40 PM
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Honestly, if you're not homeschooling your kids at this point you're willfully endangering them
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Nichtcrawler-X
03/27/23 1:59:25 PM
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6 dead already it seems.

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magemaximus
03/27/23 2:20:29 PM
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thoughts and prayers

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sodium-chloride
03/27/23 2:31:54 PM
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It's sad that I'm more shocked that the shooter was a woman than I am that another school shooting has occurred
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MightBeOverSoon
03/27/23 2:37:59 PM
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sodium-chloride posted...
It's sad that I'm more shocked that the shooter was a woman than I am that another school shooting has occurred

Watch, it'll be like bojack where men's incessant need to control women will lead to actual legislative action because now that more and more women are arming themselves it is going to suddenly be a problem.
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adjl
03/27/23 5:06:34 PM
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MightBeOverSoon posted...
Honestly, if you're not homeschooling your kids at this point you're willfully endangering them

Realistically, as much as school shootings are an inexcusable epidemic, your kids are still substantially more likely to be killed by a car on the way to school than by a shooter, thanks to how fundamentally broken and unsafe American car infrastructure is. Home schooling also eliminates the "on the way to school" part of that, but the risk is still present any time they leave the house, and becoming a hermit out of fear of danger generally isn't a very healthy thing to do.

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MightBeOverSoon
03/27/23 5:07:38 PM
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adjl posted...
Realistically, as much as school shootings are an inexcusable epidemic, your kids are still substantially more likely to be killed by a car on the way to school than by a shooter, thanks to how fundamentally broken and unsafe American car infrastructure is. Home schooling also eliminates the "on the way to school" part of that, but the risk is still present any time they leave the house, and becoming a hermit out of fear of danger generally isn't a very healthy thing to do.

You sound like a good dad
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Ozmose
03/27/23 6:56:39 PM
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They sure are doing their best to bury the lead on this one.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/7/AAMabeAAEUu5.jpg

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pionear
03/27/23 7:02:42 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I was thinking it'd actually been a while since the last major mass shooting. Like 3-4 weeks?

Well there was one in Mexico...not sure if that counts, but the victims were American
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agesboy
03/27/23 7:19:30 PM
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Ozmose posted...
They sure are doing their best to bury the lead on this one.
it's still all over the news, what kind of conservative twitter echo chamber are you trapped in

at the end of the day gun culture is still at fault, no matter how badly you want to make this a trans issue

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Jen0125
03/27/23 7:29:52 PM
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pionear posted...
Well there was one in Mexico...not sure if that counts, but the victims were American

No, that one would be a Mexican shooting not US.
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slacker03150
03/27/23 7:41:12 PM
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pionear posted...
When will it end
10 years after the ban of firearms.

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MrMelodramatic
03/27/23 7:41:51 PM
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We are on track to have more school shootings this year than ever

Reuters:
There have been 89 school shootings defined as any incident in which a gun is discharged on school property in the U.S. so far in 2023, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database, a website founded by researcher David Riedman. Last year saw 303 such incidents, the highest of any year in the database, which goes back to 1970.

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VampireCoyote
03/27/23 8:11:44 PM
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female shooter

pretty rare

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Ozmose
03/27/23 9:05:19 PM
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agesboy posted...
it's still all over the news, what kind of conservative twitter echo chamber are you trapped in

at the end of the day gun culture is still at fault, no matter how badly you want to make this a trans issue
Weve had a tremendous amount of guns in this country since its inception. The AR-15 alone has been available to the public for over 50 years, and gun laws have only gotten stricter. This stuff has really only become a problem over the last few decades.
Guns arent the problem. The fact that weve created a society of social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos is the problem. I dont do social media, and I dont listen to a damn thing that comes out of mainstream news outlets. Perhaps you should do some self reflection on whos really in the echo chamber.

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faramir77
03/27/23 9:10:52 PM
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Ozmose posted...
Weve had a tremendous amount of guns in this country since its inception. The AR-15 alone has been available to the public for over 50 years, and gun laws have only gotten stricter. This stuff has really only become a problem over the last few decades.
Guns arent the problem. The fact that weve created a society of social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos is the problem. I dont do social media, and I dont listen to a damn thing that comes out of mainstream news outlets. Perhaps you should do some self reflection on whos really in the echo chamber.

Apparently Canadians, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders, along with non English people of literally any other country are immune from being social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos.

"It's not the literal thing being used to commit these crimes! It's Facebook!"

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Ozmose
03/27/23 9:23:40 PM
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faramir77 posted...
Apparently Canadians, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders, along with non English people of literally any other country are immune from being social media obsessed, isolated, neurotic weirdos.

"It's not the literal thing being used to commit these crimes! It's Facebook!"
It's not the sites themselves, it's the way they affect peoples brains. They get trapped in a perpetual feedback loop of their worst qualities. The algorithms are designed that way. If you give it the hint that you consume negative content, the algorithms will feed it to you constantly. It doesn't care what kind of effect it has on you as long as you keep your eyes glued to the screen.

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agesboy
03/27/23 9:24:58 PM
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Ozmose posted...
It's not the sites themselves, it's the way they affect peoples brains. They get trapped in a perpetual feedback loop of their worst qualities. The algorithms are designed that way. If you give it the hint that you consume negative content, the algorithms will feed it to you constantly. It doesn't care what kind of effect it has on you as long as you keep your eyes glued to the screen.
and why does this uniquely affect americans to the point where we have daily mass shootings and they have maybe one every few years

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adjl
03/27/23 9:30:05 PM
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MightBeOverSoon posted...
You sound like a good dad

Reproducing? In this economy? That hardly seems wise.

More than that, though, it's simple risk analysis: Pulling a kid out of something that is trivially risky "for their safety" while continuing to do things that are far more dangerous just doesn't make sense. Everything is a matter of risks and benefits, and the benefits of being socially better-adjusted than most home-schooled kids generally outweigh the minute risk that somebody shoots up their school. If I were going to be so overprotective as to keep my kid safe at home forever, there was never really any point in having one in the first place.

Ozmose posted...
They sure are doing their best to bury the lead on this one.

Which lead, exactly, do you believe is being buried?

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Ozmose
03/27/23 9:39:16 PM
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adjl posted...
Which lead, exactly, do you believe is being buried?
The fact that they really don't want people to see the person that did it. When I google "nashville shooter identity" I get back a whole 2 photos in google images. I'll add that's 2 more than there were when I made my first post.

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faramir77
03/27/23 9:45:37 PM
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Ozmose posted...
It's not the sites themselves, it's the way they affect peoples brains. They get trapped in a perpetual feedback loop of their worst qualities. The algorithms are designed that way. If you give it the hint that you consume negative content, the algorithms will feed it to you constantly. It doesn't care what kind of effect it has on you as long as you keep your eyes glued to the screen.

So to be clear, it only affects American brains?

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adjl
03/27/23 9:49:52 PM
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Ozmose posted...
The fact that they really don't want people to see the person that did it. When I google "nashville shooter identity" I get back a whole 2 photos in google images. I'll add that's 2 more than there were when I made my first post.

How does a picture help understand the situation?

Heck, for a guy going on about how social media and mainstream news are creating this problem, you're now actively promoting one of the biggest ways in which they do so: By making the shooter famous. Giving the shooter less recognition is overwhelmingly a good thing in terms of effecting the cultural change needed for America to be safe with guns.

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agesboy
03/27/23 9:50:18 PM
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Ozmose posted...
The fact that they really don't want people to see the person that did it. When I google "nashville shooter identity" I get back a whole 2 photos in google images. I'll add that's 2 more than there were when I made my first post.
google images? why are you so desperate for everyone to see this dead person's photo? they aren't presenting a threat to society any longer. why does their face matter?

why is the alt-right so fixated on this person's photo? all major news sources have disclosed the killer's name, and the photo only surfaced from an unconfirmed linkedin account. confirmed details are still, as far as i know, pretty sparse

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Ozmose
03/27/23 10:04:10 PM
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Alright Im done here. Youre getting all spun up like a bunch of nut jobs. Im not going to sit and argue with a dozen people that are already set in their ways. You can kick rocks.

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agesboy
03/27/23 10:04:57 PM
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you're the one who gets their news from google images

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adjl
03/27/23 10:07:34 PM
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Ozmose posted...
Alright Im done here. Youre getting all spun up like a bunch of nut jobs. Im not going to sit and argue with a dozen people that are already set in their ways. You can kick rocks.

It's a simple question. How does a picture of the shooter help understand the situation? Reconciling your desire for a picture with your belief that the media is exacerbating the situation is more complicated, so I'm okay if you just stick to processing that one internally instead of responding to it, but the first question should be easy to answer.

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faramir77
03/27/23 10:07:40 PM
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Ozmose posted...
Alright Im done here. Youre getting all spun up like a bunch of nut jobs. Im not going to sit and argue with a dozen people that are already set in their ways. You can kick rocks.

You've been asked at least twice now to explain why social media only affects American brains (that was your argument that you brought up yourself without being initiated). I don't think we're the ones set in our ways.

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agesboy
03/27/23 10:14:14 PM
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that pic was dredged up early on by alt-righters as some sort of battleflag around the time ozmose posted it. still unconfirmed if it's the same person, but high-profile conservative twitter has been digging into that linkedin (same name and location) for any outrage content they could find. mainstream media has refrained from using that pic so far because.... it's not actually confirmed. obviously, a conspiracy

actually has fox news used that pic yet? I'm kinda curious

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GanonsSpirit
03/27/23 10:16:09 PM
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Why do you guys even engage with that guy? He always says something dumb, repeats it several times, then abandons the topic.

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Zareth
03/27/23 11:26:30 PM
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I see the snowflake posted here, 7 posts I can't see. Did I hurt your fee fees?

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Yellow
03/28/23 12:17:41 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
female shooter

pretty rare
Get this, a transgender female shooter this time.

But yeah. Public mental health services would probably curtail these. Gun control is kind of hard to make a dent, but definitely wouldn't hurt. You can't have either of those, so says the government.

Shooters are just a bunch of socially isolated angry people with horrible outlooks on life.
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Gaawa_chan
03/28/23 2:16:32 AM
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https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1640597506475327488
JFC.

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Ozmose
03/28/23 4:10:46 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Funny how that push seems to vanish when it's a white male shooter. It's almost like they want to create some kind of public bias.

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Ozmose
03/28/23 4:15:30 AM
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Here are the true champions of gun control. It's heartwarming to see so many people here share the same philosophy.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/9/AAMabeAAEU03.jpg

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Cacciato
03/28/23 4:21:10 AM
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I can only see half the topic, so I guess it was safe to assume Ozmose was in here saying stupid shit.
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kind9
03/28/23 4:43:59 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Funny how that push seems to vanish when it's a white male shooter. It's almost like they want to create some kind of public bias.
Is it possible for you to shut the fuck up?

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Ozmose
03/28/23 5:23:59 AM
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kind9 posted...
Is it possible for you to shut the fuck up?
Awwww. Did the truth hurt you? Show us on the doll where it touched you :(

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Cacciato
03/28/23 5:28:19 AM
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Kinda weird to see someone talk about having hurt feelings while blocking half the board.
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MeatiestMeatus
03/28/23 5:44:44 AM
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Zareth posted...
I see the snowflake posted here, 7 posts I can't see. Did I hurt your fee fees?

Cacciato posted...
I can only see half the topic, so I guess it was safe to assume Ozmose was in here saying stupid shit.

You aren't missing anything. Just your typical right-winger who doesn't understand how to interpret the 2nd Amendment, that the Constitution is a living document (which is how 2A came to fruition to begin with... how right-wingers continually fail to comprehend this is baffling, though not surprising) that can and must be amended when progress deems it necessary, and who would rather deflect questions and focus on pathetic conspiracy bullshit instead of focusing on the issue.

Gaawa_chan posted...
https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1640597506475327488
JFC.

Amazing how red flag laws are suddenly a great idea when they align to target the demographics which these moronic redhats harbor hatred and ignorant bigotry for.

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MeatiestMeatus
03/28/23 5:45:37 AM
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Cacciato posted...
Kinda weird to see someone talk about having hurt feelings while blocking half the board.
ikr?

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Cacciato
03/28/23 6:13:59 AM
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the dude is fucking weird

And as a side note, the block option is ridiculously stupid when it completely disrupts the point of a message board. Especially when quoting multiple users ends up hiding the entire post.
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kind9
03/28/23 6:36:08 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Awwww. Did the truth hurt you? Show us on the doll where it touched you :(
I read that in the voice of a toddler. "did da twoof hoot yo feewings?"

Whatever, me and you don't share the same definition of truth anyway. Truth is what corresponds to reality, and you are not here in reality.

(ps: you didn't say anything true-- just typical conspiracy bullshit and trying to equate gun control in America with dictatorships of the past which is just a massive fucking LOL)

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pionear
03/28/23 7:34:55 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
female shooter

pretty rare

Actually Transgendered

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/0/AADtvSAAEU1g.jpg

Jen0125 posted...
No, that one would be a Mexican shooting not US.

But it involved US citizens, and forgot it was only 2 (bleh) that was killed, the others were just shot or kidnapped
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MeatiestMeatus
03/28/23 7:54:07 AM
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It's quite remarkable how lobbyist groups like the NRA have such a tight grip on a sizeable portion of the political figures in DC and across the States.

What's more remarkable is how deeply indoctrinated their voters are, to the point that the fear of a repeal of 2A (which very few have called for) has them quaking in their boots any time regulation is brought up in conversation.

How they conflate regulation with full repeal and "They're taking our guns!" pearl-clutching reveals how stunted they are in their understanding, and how grossly lacking in empathy they are for the victims of gun violence and the desire for a solution to end said violence, particularly when paired with the fact that so few Conservatives support universal health care with increased access to mental health services

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adjl
03/28/23 9:40:56 AM
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Ozmose posted...
Funny how that push seems to vanish when it's a white male shooter. It's almost like they want to create some kind of public bias.

I see the push pretty unilaterally. Identifying shooters gives them recognition, and very often the primary motivating factor for a shooting like this is that those around the shooter have failed to recognize how disturbed they are. Somebody on the edge sees somebody else fall off of it and get the whole country talking about them? That's going to seem awfully attractive, and that's a problem no matter what demographic they belong to.

Statistically, the vast majority of mass shooters are males, and the majority of them (at least, a proportion that's in line with the general population) are white if you discount gang violence that happens to qualify as a mass casualty event (which tends to involve fewer white people for SES reasons and also happens for different reasons than what most people associate with "mass shooting," so discounting that is reasonable). There isn't even any particular need to create a bias in public perception because what you're calling "public bias" is just statistical reality.

Ozmose posted...
Here are the true champions of gun control. It's heartwarming to see so many people here share the same philosophy.

Why would you consider them to be the "true champions" and not the dozens of countries that have enacted effective gun control laws without committing genocide? Or are you one of those people who genuinely believes it's only a matter of time before every country that isn't as well-armed as the US gets murdered by their government?

Yellow posted...
Get this, a transgender female shooter this time.

A trans person who attended a Christian private school in Tennessee and ended up with severe mental health issues later in life? I can't imagine how that happened, or why the school ended up being the target of their breakdown.

Gaawa_chan posted...
https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1640597506475327488
JFC.

I mean, I can see the concerns there, but any sensible gun control laws would have to entail a mental health assessment for the prospective license holder, and that would likely end up ruling out a solid chunk of trans people. Now, that's very different from saying "all trans people must be disarmed no matter how well-adjusted" and even ends up running into an odd loophole in that gender dysphoria is commonly no longer considered a mental disorder (instead physical, aligning with the medical focus of treatment options instead of psychological), and it's a lot more sweeping than "only the trans people should be disarmed," but the end result is that a disproportionate number of trans people wouldn't be eligible to own a gun. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, provided it's done on the basis of a proper mental health assessment and not simply saying "all trans people are mentally ill," but "don't take away trans people's guns" also doesn't quite work.

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Jen0125
03/28/23 9:50:48 AM
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pionear posted...
But it involved US citizens, and forgot it was only 2 (bleh) that was killed, the others were just shot or kidnapped

Cartel violence in Mexico isn't an American mass shooting
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Jen0125
03/28/23 9:52:48 AM
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When it's a white man doing the shooting it's an isolated incident with extenuating circumstances. When it's an "other" they're representative of the entire community. Funny how that is.
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