Current Events > Revisiting MOS and Injustice 1 and 2 What does it mean to be superman or us?

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So, maybe this will get political, I can't say. I know for the core fan they say didn't like the "evil Superman" trend of MOS (Which I heavily disagree with but I will go along with it for now) and Injustice Superman.

I bring this up because I am watching Injustice and also I saw a video of a mother who lost her son to violence and almost got killed by a group of kids called "KIA boys". Like Superman, she believes in the best of her community and contribute back to the community. However, when they attacked her, after she lasted her son she express that she wanted to kill them.

Just like Injustice Superman, he started to kill because what he saw in humans was clearly lost. Why is it that Superman has to take the better road? I am not saying he should, but if he loses everything dear to him shouldn't he feel mad, can he come down to our level and feel lost?

It feels like he shouldn't be touched, as far as the core Superman feels. Am I missing something?

I never had a problem with Injustice Superman because it was explicitly an alternate universe, and in any event, main universe Supes stomps his shit at the end of the game

Outside of that, my beef with "evil" Superman is just that it's played out. I'm sick of seeing it, lol. Like we get exactly one modern Superman movie and in the very next film they're teasing an evil version. There's no compelling stakes to asshole Superman if you don't establish him at his best, which Man of Steel had barely even accomplished by the end.

Superman actually does have character flaws that can make him interesting when the writers actually feel like it. One problem is that a lot of people think being "too good" is the only thing they can do with him. Superman has a lowkey anger problem and petty streak. He can also act rashly, hotheaded, and be stubborn as shit, which works when he's right, but causes complications when he's not. This was actually one of the better aspects of Man of Steel I thought. Clark fucking that other Kryptonian's shit right the fuck up because they threatened his mother was so on-brand.

But you can't really go too far in that direction and "over-correct" the boyscout interpretation without making him unlikable. Superman should have his flaws, he should have moments where he acts like an ass or makes the wrong choices, but he shouldn't be edgy.

I agree. I even think he should have dialogue on what actions should he take or how he handles certain situations.

Evil superman has been explored numerous times but Injustice was the first to give it any depth.

Most think he snapped immediately after the Joker killed Lois but his decline was gradual over the course of 5 years. If freedom leads way to crime and monsters like the Joker running free then is it really worth it? Should the worse crinimals be put down or jailed for good?

That's probably why the universe was added to thE comics and even explored from time to time. Like they are recently in the superman conic.

My only issue with the universe was batman and how he was handled.

I heard that recently in the comics they had Supermans son visit the Injustice universe. That superman had him as a baby but he got killed by Joker along with Lois. So seeing his son from a different universe, all grown up, I think really fucke with his mind

Prismsblade posted...

My only issue with the universe was batman and how he was handled.

What do you mean?

Zikten posted...

I heard that recently in the comics they had Supermans son visit the Injustice universe. That superman had him as a baby but he got killed by Joker along with Lois. So seeing his son from a different universe, all grown up, I think really fucke with his mind

Oh, I would like to read that

omniryu posted...

What do you mean?

Batmans perspective was always portrayed as the correct though. Even though he could never justify or explain it when put on blast. 'Becoming what we fight' is just a BS excuse.

The Injustice 2 confrontation between batman and Demain in the intro stages was a good example. The comic is.....essentially that for all 5 of its arcs pretty much.

Prismsblade posted...

Evil superman has been explored numerous times but Injustice was the first to give it any depth.

Most think he snapped immediately after the Joker killed Lois but his decline was gradual over the course of 5 years. If freedom leads way to crime and monsters like the Joker running free then is it really worth it? Should the worse crinimals be put down or jailed for good?

That's probably why the universe was added to thE comics and even explored from time to time. Like they are recently in the superman conic.

My only issue with the universe was batman and how he was handled.

The real villain of Injustice is Wonder Woman.

They make it seem like she has secretly been evil the whole time, but couldnt act on it because Superman would have stopped her, and when he loses Lois it causes Wonder Woman to capitalise and manipulate him to the kind of man she wishes he always was.

Everybody else seemed to have somewhat logical motivations but she was just a totally different character.

I thought Injustice has been generally well-received. I haven't seen Man of Steel or any of DC's newish movies to really comment on that, but I have to imagine people just want to see a live action Superman that is very similar to Superman as he was portrayed in the DCAU. Or at least closer to that.

Prismsblade posted...

Batmans perspective was always portrayed as the correct though. Even though he could never justify or explain it when put on blast. 'Becoming what we fight' is just a BS excuse.

The Injustice 2 confrontation between batman and Demain in the intro stages was a good example. The comic is.....essentially that for all 5 of its arcs pretty much.

Yeah, I think a part of it is this how he deals with his parents death and if he gets rid of the bad guy permanently, he would be lost.

Glob posted...

The real villain of Injustice is Wonder Woman.

They make it seem like she has secretly been evil the whole time, but couldnt act on it because Superman would have stopped her, and when he loses Lois it causes Wonder Woman to capitalise and manipulate him to the kind of man she wishes he always was.

Everybody else seemed to have somewhat logical motivations but she was just a totally different character.

Yeah, she brought the worst out of Superman. Like get revenge bro, you deserve it.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I thought Injustice has been generally well-received. I haven't seen Man of Steel or any of DC's newish movies to really comment on that, but I have to imagine people just want to see a live action Superman that is very similar to Superman as he was portrayed in the DCAU. Or at least closer to that.

The general vibe I got from MOS and thr DCEU was you can't trust mankind as they are not ready to deal with a higher power and if they do, they will take advantage of that. MOS, WW 1, AND Suicide Squad illustrated that pretty well for me.

omniryu posted...

Yeah, I think a part of it is this how he deals with his parents death and if he gets rid of the bad guy permanently, he would be lost.

That logic only applies to himself though. He can't claim superman is in the wrong when he's brought crime to near zero, a end to war, and world peace and negotiations amongst nations even if by force.

A real world example of this extreme kind of is El Salvador locking all it's gangs and gang affiliates up in a special prison for good. Which to my knowledge was a massive success.

Prismsblade posted...

That logic only applies to himself though. He can't claim superman is in the wrong when he's brought crime to near zero, a end to war, and world peace and negotiations amongst nations even if by force.

A real world example of this extreme kind of is El Salvador locking all it's gangs and gang affiliates up in a special prison for good. Which to my knowledge was a massive success.

But what about the innocent that Superman killed?

omniryu posted...

Why is it that Superman has to take the better road? I am not saying he should, but if he loses everything dear to him shouldn't he feel mad, can he come down to our level and feel lost?

Because he has power, and he has to tread carefully because power corrupts, and absolutely power corrupts absolutely.

If Superman for example, said to you in the mainline comic "I'm coming for you", vs a random person on the internet, you'd rightly be more fearful of Superman because he has the power to do so. Therefore remarks that might not have any impact from a random person on the internet, do have massive impact from Superman.

omniryu posted...

But what about the innocent that Superman killed?

The majority of people he killed, were affiliated with Batman and his antics. Good people but not really innocent. And honestly it wasn't until the last year or two that he finally started falling to the dark side.

And even then only due to batman and his rebellion.

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Like green arrow.

Timmyjinkle posted...

Because he has power, and he has to tread carefully because power corrupts, and absolutely power corrupts absolutely.

If Superman for example, said to you in the mainline comic "I'm coming for you", vs a random person on the internet, you'd rightly be more fearful of Superman because he has the power to do so. Therefore remarks that might not have any impact from a random person on the internet, do have massive impact from Superman.

Don't get me wrong? I see why he could be very fearful but the same time you put yourself out there is a risk or just an outright abuse on your mental health and your morality stamina. I think in cases like that it is always good to have a friend put you in check.

Justice Lord Superman from Justice League Unlimited is my favorite take on an evil Superman. He never goes as far as Injustice Superman but maybe he didn't have the time.

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It wasn't intentional, one of the arrows he fired deflected off Supermen and hit his father. Which sent supes into a rage.

Speaking of his Parents Batman wasn't expecting them to be there. So as far as superman probably thought, they were there for them rather then the pills.