Current Events > The thing that scares me about gender is that it's so immiediate

Topic List
Page List: 1
MedeaLysistrata
06/02/23 7:41:47 PM
#1:


According to Hegel, immediacy is anything that is presented as is, without any kind of opposition or development. But nothing really stays that way for long.

Gender is or was immediate in that it has been with us as long as history has, but has remained unchanged and unquestioned, only really experienced or controlled. You know those stories about people who see green and blue as one colour? Maybe in the early stages of human history gender wasn't a thing and being able to give birth was considered being able to hunt. There is no record of a people like this to my knowledge except maybe in Plato depending on how you read it.

It just feels like there is so much more that the idea can be, and I think that usually starts with some kind of opposition. In fact failure to do so seems to be by design because now you have two conservative bodies fighting each other.

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo
06/02/23 7:51:30 PM
#2:


My friend, don't read too much Hegel.

He's like bourbon. Just a dram or two will suffice.

In the meantime, UBU.

---
Putin delenda est
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/02/23 7:52:43 PM
#3:


brestugo posted...
My friend, don't read too much Hegel.

He's like bourbon. Just a dram or two will suffice.

In the meantime, UBU.
Too late, I have already read Phenomenogy of Spirit and the lesser Logic

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
Anony1125
06/02/23 7:56:18 PM
#4:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
Too late, I have already read Phenomenogy of Spirit and the lesser Logic
if you start from the end and work your way backward, can you unread them?
and if not, since it's Hegel it will probably make more sense anyway

---
Feeling really good.
Faceless goofus in a sea of alts
... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov
06/02/23 7:56:53 PM
#5:


1) Are you confusing Gender and Sex? Sex is more immediate biological bits, and gender is a social construct plagued by capitalism.

2) About 1% of all babies are born intersex, so sex is not "so immediate".

https://isna.org/faq/frequency/

---
Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense
Just know, to me, you're better late than never again.
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/02/23 8:04:03 PM
#6:


philsov posted...
1) Are you confusing Gender and Sex? Sex is more immediate biological bits, and gender is a social construct plagued by capitalism.

2) About 1% of all babies are born intersex, so sex is not "so immediate".

https://isna.org/faq/frequency/
No, gender as in division of labour and cultural roles.

Intersex babies are a fact so I don't see how birth appears as anything other than its basic form, aka babies are born according to how nature determines them. It's easy to imagine now how sex might be sublated when you consider technology. But I am in fact talking about gender, although the link between gender and sex is part of it. Medicine has done this to some extent, since birth conditions can already be modified.

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 9:42:51 AM
#7:


bump, no one thinks this is interesting or worth posting about?

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 1:53:53 PM
#8:


Last bump

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man
06/03/23 1:56:27 PM
#9:


Honestly, I have no idea what you're trying to say

---
http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png
haters gonna hate
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 1:56:47 PM
#10:


emblem-man posted...
Honestly, I have no idea what you're trying to say
Oh

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo
06/03/23 2:08:12 PM
#11:


There is the concept of something other than male and female since ancient times. It's not like our modern understanding of the spectrum, but since like even old judaism has concept like adam cadmon which is a hermaphrodite perfect being, he shattered and some of the pieces became humans separated into men and women, the fusion between 2 opposites, or something that are beyond genders has been concept since like forever. In various mythology there are creatures who can shapeshift, or have both parts.

It's just the western world has been so saturated in Christianity's dogma that it feels like the only beliefs out there. Plus it's not like the existence of people outside the regular boxes aren't acknowledged. I think people know, just the dogma makes them wrong or bad.

---
http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png
Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone
... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa
06/03/23 2:13:55 PM
#12:


emblem-man posted...
Honestly, I have no idea what you're trying to say

firsttime?.meme


---
Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now!
Proud "Pride Month" Demon
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 2:30:33 PM
#13:


apolloooo posted...
There is the concept of something other than male and female since ancient times. It's not like our modern understanding of the spectrum, but since like even old judaism has concept like adam cadmon which is a hermaphrodite perfect being, he shattered and some of the pieces became humans separated into men and women, the fusion between 2 opposites, or something that are beyond genders has been concept since like forever. In various mythology there are creatures who can shapeshift, or have both parts.

It's just the western world has been so saturated in Christianity's dogma that it feels like the only beliefs out there. Plus it's not like the existence of people outside the regular boxes aren't acknowledged. I think people know, just the dogma makes them wrong or bad.
I mean, yeah, if your guy friend introduces you to your future wife does that mean he has both parts, in a way? The man gave way to a woman in this case. How mythical.

I guess a more simple way to say what I was talking about is this: gender is often seen as belonging to other things like labour, sex, commodities, etc. You can study the gender experience for pretty much anything in a scientific way.

So you can say gender exists, in a sense. But it doesn't really exist in a substantial way- the only way you ever see it is insofar as it relates to something else. It does not exist 'for itself'. Imagine if you could only think when something happened to you. In the same way gender is only really 'there' when there is something to make it appear.

If gender was something that existed outside of the things that cause it to be perceived, then it would be something that mediated other things- e.g it would mean everything can be said to fall under gender, it would also mean everything is particular about gender such that there would be commensurate gender structure between all these things as well.

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
KanWan
06/03/23 3:03:48 PM
#14:


MedeaLysistrata posted...
I mean, yeah, if your guy friend introduces you to your future wife does that mean he has both parts, in a way? The man gave way to a woman in this case. How mythical.

I guess a more simple way to say what I was talking about is this: gender is often seen as belonging to other things like labour, sex, commodities, etc. You can study the gender experience for pretty much anything in a scientific way.

So you can say gender exists, in a sense. But it doesn't really exist in a substantial way- the only way you ever see it is insofar as it relates to something else. It does not exist 'for itself'. Imagine if you could only think when something happened to you. In the same way gender is only really 'there' when there is something to make it appear.

If gender was something that existed outside of the things that cause it to be perceived, then it would be something that mediated other things- e.g it would mean everything can be said to fall under gender, it would also mean everything is particular about gender such that there would be commensurate gender structure between all these things as well.

Gender is to experience what addition is to mathematics.. there is a commensurate gender structure between all things


---
Ok New User
... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man
06/03/23 3:34:15 PM
#15:


Medussa posted...
firsttime?.meme
Wasn't trying to meme. I probably just shouldn't have posted, but I was just confused by the initial post.

---
http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png
haters gonna hate
... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa
06/03/23 3:38:13 PM
#16:


emblem-man posted...
Wasn't trying to meme. I probably just shouldn't have posted, but I was just confused by the initial post.

i was trying to meme. tc has a history of incomprehensible posts.

---
Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now!
Proud "Pride Month" Demon
... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata
06/03/23 4:00:06 PM
#17:


KanWan posted...
Gender is to experience what addition is to mathematics.. there is a commensurate gender structure between all things
i don't really know what addition is to mathematics ^^;

but yes, that is definitely how things are. i think that is one of the reasons for conflict. i don't know that thee is a commensurate gender structure, or what it would look like. in some sense i can already see things like objects having genders, but not the objects themselves being genders. that is getting closer to what i mean, but it also gets a bit to close to 'i identify as an an attack helicopter' to be convincing

---
updated 5/22/2023
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1