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PowerOats
07/23/23 6:42:03 AM
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Makeveli_lives
07/23/23 6:42:51 AM
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They dont want to tear up the railroad to put a new one in. Costs money.

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Foppe
07/23/23 6:49:26 AM
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They cant even keep normal trains on the tracks, imagine if a bullet train was in an accident.

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ai123
07/23/23 6:50:33 AM
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It requires massive long term public investment and political will.

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07/23/23 6:52:31 AM
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LeCh0nk
07/23/23 6:57:03 AM
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Car and oil companies give a lot of brib-donations to political parties, and like with universal healthcare, they've brainwashed everyone into thinking trains are bad.

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Nukazie
07/23/23 6:57:58 AM
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trump's and elon's fault for some reason

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Carljank
07/23/23 6:58:43 AM
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Entirely due to the oil lobby. Same reason they bought up and tore up streetcar and passenger train rails in the 30s. Most of why we are held back in the USA is due to the oil lobby. Imagine having walkable cities lol...

The new world order agenda 2030 idiots don't seem to realize we only hear what they want us to. Scare the morons into thinking they'll lose their beef and have to eat cricket burgers and they'll desperately cling to the status quo of oil chugging climate change denial.

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PBusted
07/23/23 7:29:20 AM
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The infrastructure
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_____Cait
07/23/23 7:39:58 AM
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USA has terrible upkeep and infrastructure.

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Thompson
07/23/23 8:04:25 AM
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"If we have fast trains, the gays will break into your home and turn your children trans!"
- Some terminally brainwormed republican, eventually.

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Foppe
07/23/23 11:09:47 AM
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Thompson posted...
"If we have fast trains, the gays will break into your home and turn your children trans!"
- Some terminally brainwormed republican, eventually.
Trains ... Trans... Its in the name!

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BlueTigerLion
07/23/23 11:13:24 AM
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In a lot of cities whenever money is set aside for improving public transit. It tends to get raided for other uses. Since there isn't much backlash for doing it.

US also has a strong car and airline lobby which is against the improvement of public transit since then less people will buy cars or use planes to get from one place to another.

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myusernameislame
07/23/23 11:14:50 AM
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Thompson posted...
"If we have fast trains, the gays will break into your home and turn your children trans!"
- Some terminally brainwormed republican, eventually.

You joke, but I've legitimately heard dogwhistles about bringing "criminals" into neighborhoods regarding just simple light rail expansions.
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Jagr_68
07/23/23 11:14:55 AM
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Too cheap to fit the bill
Not American
Socialism
public transportation is for the poors
SUV lobbyism

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NeonTentacles
07/23/23 11:16:51 AM
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It would take a lot of funding to get the infrastructure put in

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BlueTigerLion
07/23/23 11:18:00 AM
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Just remembered. There is a lot of NIMBY going on. No one wants to deal with the construction noise next to their house compared to the 1930s-1950s where government didn't give a fuck. Like how they built all those highways through the poor neighborhoods.

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TimeForAction
07/23/23 11:18:58 AM
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Thompson posted...
"If we have fast trains, the gays will break into your home and turn your children trans!"
- Some terminally brainwormed republican, eventually.


I remember working in a grocery store during obamas first term and having some crusty republican dude tell me hes opposed to the high speed rail initiative because what the government is after is efficient means to take us to concentration camps.

these takes didnt go away.
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Kloe_Rinz
07/23/23 11:20:14 AM
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conservatives hate anything that helps society. better public infrastructure is a massive improvement to society and therefore conservatives will do anything to prevent it being implemented
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Will_VIIII
07/23/23 11:21:42 AM
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Nukazie posted...
trump's and elon's fault for some reason
It is the fault of Republicans though. They block any progress in this regard

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tankboy
07/23/23 11:22:19 AM
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We have the Amtrak Acela, which is definitely a bullet train. ...but it's limited to normal train speeds due to current track limitations.
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Requiem
07/23/23 11:25:34 AM
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Bullet trains in particular are difficult to build.
Just off the top of my head (and I'm sure there are others)

1) The state (by this I mean the government, not "one of the 50 states") needs to acquire large tracts of land in private hands (every nation runs into problem doing this no matter what type of train we're talking about)

2) The state needs to convince city governments to allow the train to run through (noise pollution, loss of land, traffic disturbance) their city / land WITHOUT stopping in their city (aka the cities will only get the negatives and none of the positives).

3) Money to build and to maintain the infrastructure

4) We don't make high speed trains, so we'll be paying tens of billions of dollars to foreign companies (Japan, Europe, etc etc)... and we'd really rather spend the money within the nation if possible.

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Slaya4
07/23/23 11:27:36 AM
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Americans need to do something quick because we are getting left behind in almost all regards. QoL, transportation, energy, technology etc. It won't be long until China takes its superpower position.

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BlueTigerLion
07/23/23 11:29:47 AM
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TimeForAction posted...
I remember working in a grocery store during obamas first term and having some crusty republican dude tell me hes opposed to the high speed rail initiative because what the government is after is efficient means to take us to concentration camps.

these takes didnt go away.

Surprised people turned this into a Democrat vs Republican thing. There are cities controlled by Dems like NYC, Seattle, LA, Atlanta that don't even expand their public transit as much as they did years ago.

It is money thing and some could argue NIMBY thing since the first step after you have the money is building it and people don't want to deal with the noise or like their area being closed off from public transit.

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Starks
07/23/23 11:31:19 AM
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Northeast Regional business class is better than Acela tbh

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PowerOats
07/23/23 11:32:21 AM
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They should just make it anyway, or start in one of the bigger states like Florida or Texas
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Solar_Crimson
07/23/23 11:34:27 AM
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ai123 posted...
It requires massive long term public investment and political will.
LeCh0nk posted...
Car and oil companies give a lot of brib-donations to political parties, and like with universal healthcare, they've brainwashed everyone into thinking trains are bad.


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LeCh0nk
07/23/23 11:36:03 AM
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This isn't a republican or democrat issue. It's a money issue. As in there's too much money lining the pockets of politicians for anything to be done. Because let's be real, nobody in power, right or left, is pushing for positive change.

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Kloe_Rinz
07/23/23 11:42:08 AM
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LeCh0nk posted...
This isn't a republican or democrat issue. It's a money issue. As in there's too much money lining the pockets of politicians for anything to be done. Because let's be real, nobody in power, right or left, is pushing for positive change.
for starters, american doesn't have any left politicians except for maybe bernie who is center slightly left leaning
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ellis123
07/23/23 12:14:57 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
Because let's be real, nobody in power, right or left, is pushing for positive change.
To be fair, that has more to do with the people with room temperature IQ thinking that Democrats are on the left rather than no one on the left pushing for positive change.

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VampireCoyote
07/23/23 12:15:25 PM
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our police need every bullet so they can shoot us

none left to make an entire train

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Prismsblade
07/23/23 12:18:02 PM
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Where would bullet trains even be viable? Both for transportation and profit? I don't think there's even a handful of locations they even would be.

And even if there were they'd be so many stops in between the major citys that their speed becomes worthless.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
07/23/23 12:19:16 PM
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A relevant video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REni8Oi1QJQ


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ellis123
07/23/23 12:53:55 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
And even if there were they'd be so many stops in between the major citys that their speed becomes worthless.
Dang.

You should go let Japan know as they certainly have more stops for their bullet trains there than we have here.

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Thompson
07/23/23 12:56:22 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Where would bullet trains even be viable? Both for transportation and profit? I don't think there's even a handful of locations they even would be.

And even if there were they'd be so many stops in between the major citys that their speed becomes worthless.
Maybe you should look at how Japan and France makes their bullet trains worthwhile?

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Hospy
07/23/23 1:29:52 PM
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Costs a lot of money, requires substantial political will federal funding to get off the ground yet only a few areas have the necessary population density to make it remotely viable (California, Atlantic seaboard)
Requires the cooperation of a metric boatload of different organizations and communities to plan and build rail through which results in a gigantic clusterfuck of too many chefs
Building infrastructure where lots of people live is just a giant pain in the ass in general in the states. If you read up on the ongoing debacle of the California high speed rail project and then imagine that across multiple states and jurisdictions it's not much of surprise how it isn't really going anywhere

Hell, my local area is putting up slow light rail just in one county and it's been a mess.
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CRON
07/23/23 1:33:26 PM
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More than half of Americans vehemently hate the idea of their tax dollars going to anything that isn't national defense because they think it's "communism".

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BB_mofo
07/23/23 1:39:34 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
Car and oil companies give a lot of brib-donations to political parties, and like with universal healthcare, they've brainwashed everyone into thinking trains are bad.

Standard Oil and Goodyear Tires explicitly bought out and destroyed all the street cars in the United States to force everyone to buy cars. The freeway was their idea to replace it. The only reason San Francisco still has their electric streetcars is because the city stepped in and made the trolleys a public service paid mainly with tax payer dollars.

Hospy posted... Requires the cooperation of a metric boatload of different organizations and communities to plan and build rail

Bakersfield passed a law that says any train has to slow down to 30mph within its city limits. On top of that, after the planned line was announced, they rushed to build homeless shelters on top of it. Bakersfield is a Republican stronghold.

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Prismsblade
07/23/23 3:35:17 PM
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Thompson posted...
Maybe you should look at how Japan and France makes their bullet trains worthwhile?
What works for them wouldn't translate to us 1-1. Which you'd know if you knew anything about those country's or the US even.

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BB_mofo
07/23/23 3:47:56 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Thompson posted...

Maybe you should look at how Japan and France makes their bullet trains worthwhile?

What works for them wouldn't translate to us 1-1. Which you'd know if you knew anything about those country's or the US even.

Around 15 years ago, a German company with experience in putting up high speed railways in Europe offered to build one for the state of California. It could done between Fresno and Los Angeles in less than a year for only 200 million dollars. The state declined it.

There is a state law that says a high speed rail can only be made by a California based company. The current company has never built a high speed rail and has projected the cost for the same rail the Germans offered to be over a billion dollars.

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Machete
07/23/23 3:53:27 PM
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because making guns big enough to fire them would be inconvenient probably

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UnsteadyOwl
07/23/23 4:05:40 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
Car and oil companies give a lot of brib-donations to political parties, and like with universal healthcare, they've brainwashed everyone into thinking trains are bad.
This. American cities and infrastructure were built up the way they were in the latter half of the 20th century in large part because of these companies using their influence to stifle investment in public transportation and make cars a necessity for most Americans.

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TheDurinator
07/23/23 4:08:55 PM
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It would be a great thing to have In California and on the east coast from DC to Boston, but the endless saga of California's utter dysfunction with their proposed high speed rail system is all the proof I need that such a venture is impossible in the US.
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darkace77450
07/23/23 4:33:20 PM
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Nukazie posted...
trump's and elon's fault for some reason

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