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shnangyboos 03/20/24 8:53:56 AM #51:	Love the "unplanned donation" bullshit. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:979465737] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Love the "unplanned donation" bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOPPAl 03/20/24 8:54:41 AM #52:	Irony posted... Fuck squatters --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonOPPAl posted [p:979465742] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>Fuck squatters</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/20/24 8:55:16 AM #53:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Lots of misdirected anger here. If you want to be mad at how slow bureaucracy is, or the state of houselessness, fine. But being mad at a person who is just trying to survive till tomorrow is pointless. You might not like the laws and they can suck for people, but it prevents a much greater injustice I think that stealing someone's house goes away beyond "just trying to survive" There was another squatter's case recently in the UK where a bunch of people were on the side of the squatter because the circumstances were different. Squatter's rights aren't inherently bad. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:979465749] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Lots of misdirected anger here. If you want to be mad at how slow bureaucracy is, or the state of houselessness, fine. But being mad at a person who is just trying to survive till tomorrow is pointless. You might not like the laws and they can suck for people, but it prevents a much greater injustice</quote>I think that stealing someone's house goes away beyond "just trying to survive" There was another squatter's case recently in the UK where a bunch of people were on the side of the squatter because the circumstances were different. Squatter's rights aren't inherently bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 03/20/24 8:56:19 AM #54:	I remember reading something (probably a troll post) about a guy who would go squat with the squatters and make living there so unbearable that they'd eventually leave. Should try that --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:979465758] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>I remember reading something (probably a troll post) about a guy who would go squat with the squatters and make living there so unbearable that they'd eventually leave. Should try that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 03/20/24 8:56:58 AM #55:	Squatters don't deserve rights,period. They're scum. --- Michigan Wolverines 30 to Ohio state 24: 11/25/23 Michigan Wolverines Football:15-0 ,Rose Bowl Champions&National Champions <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:979465763] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Squatters don't deserve rights,period.They're scum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 03/20/24 9:00:19 AM #56:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Squatters don't deserve rights,period. They're scum. Exactly. Fuck all of them. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:979465789] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Mr_Karate_II posted... </cite><quote>Squatters don't deserve rights,period.They're scum.</quote>Exactly. Fuck all of them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 9:00:48 AM #57:	I think that stealing someone's house goes away beyond "just trying to survive" Nobody is stealing anything. They would need to live there 10 years before they could think of taking possession of it. They are claiming to be tenants. In which case, if they can't produce a contract then it is considered a month to month lease (iirc) and they can be evicted within 30 days. Again, this is an inconvenience for the homeowner but if the squatter doesn't have a place to live, this could be life and death for them. If this drags out longer then that period because the courts are notoriously slow, then that's on the courts and not on the people inhabiting the house. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979465796] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote><quote>I think that stealing someone's house goes away beyond "just trying to survive"</quote>Nobody is stealing anything. They would need to live there 10 years before they could think of taking possession of it. They are claiming to be tenants. In which case, if they can't produce a contract then it is considered a month to month lease (iirc) and they can be evicted within 30 days. Again, this is an inconvenience for the homeowner but if the squatter doesn't have a place to live, this could be life and death for them. If this drags out longer then that period because the courts are notoriously slow, then that's on the courts and not on the people inhabiting the house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RamenNoodles 03/20/24 9:03:46 AM #58:	justaguy3492 posted... I remember reading something (probably a troll post) about a guy who would go squat with the squatters and make living there so unbearable that they'd eventually leave. Should try that As messed up as it is, they have a right to force you to leave. <cite>RamenNoodles posted [p:979465824] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>justaguy3492 posted... </cite><quote>I remember reading something (probably a troll post) about a guy who would go squat with the squatters and make living there so unbearable that they'd eventually leave. Should try that</quote>As messed up as it is, they have a right to force you to leave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/20/24 9:05:08 AM #59:	What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it. It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there. The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter? <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979465842] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it.It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there.The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RamenNoodles 03/20/24 9:09:33 AM #60:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it. It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there. The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter? Damn imagine if you can do that. Go to an abandoned mall or movie theater and then just claim ownership and turn it into a successful business <cite>RamenNoodles posted [p:979465896] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it.It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there.The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter?</quote>Damn imagine if you can do that. Go to an abandoned mall or movie theater and then just claim ownership and turn it into a successful business </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 9:12:24 AM #61:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it. It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there. I don't think I've ever seen this happen. If you are renting, you're renting. I don't think I've ever heard a successful claim that you own the place after 10 years.. The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter? At least in NY you need to live in a place for a decade And you need to prove that you lived there the entire time. It's usually very rare and often makes the news when something like this does happen. But yeah, in order to evict the guy, they would need to go through the same process as everyone else. You get 30 days + however long it takes the court to see your case. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979465939] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>What I don't get about Squatter's rights, aside from the whole thing being completely baffling at every level, is how rent plays into it.It would seem to me if you can just hang out in someone else's house without their permission or knowledge and gain ownership thereof, you should unquestionably gain ownership if the owner has agreed to you being there and you've paid them money to be there.</quote>I don't think I've ever seen this happen. If you are renting, you're renting. I don't think I've ever heard a successful claim that you own the place after 10 years..<quote>The other thing I don't get about SR, again besides everything, is how this applies when the home isn't actually a home. Like, if it's an abandoned mall, for example, and one guy lives there for Squatter's rights number of days, and then the owner comes back and decides to renovate it, does he have to buy it back from the squatter?</quote>At least in NY you need to live in a place for a decade And you need to prove that you lived there the entire time. It's usually very rare and often makes the news when something like this does happen. But yeah, in order to evict the guy, they would need to go through the same process as everyone else. You get 30 days + however long it takes the court to see your case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 03/20/24 9:15:09 AM #62:	Why do people act like squatters are all poor and disenfranchised people when it's typically people who are just abusing the system? --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:979465968] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Why do people act like squatters are all poor and disenfranchised people when it's typically people who are just abusing the system? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 9:17:58 AM #63:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Lots of misdirected anger here. If you want to be mad at how slow bureaucracy is, or the state of houselessness, fine. But being mad at a person who is just trying to survive till tomorrow is pointless. You might not like the laws and they can suck for people, but it prevents a much greater injustice You sound like the kind of person reads about someone getting their watch stolen by a poor person and says "Why do you need a $100 watch when your phone tells time for you?" --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979465998] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Lots of misdirected anger here. If you want to be mad at how slow bureaucracy is, or the state of houselessness, fine. But being mad at a person who is just trying to survive till tomorrow is pointless. You might not like the laws and they can suck for people, but it prevents a much greater injustice</quote>You sound like the kind of person reads about someone getting their watch stolen by a poor person and says "Why do you need a $100 watch when your phone tells time for you?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 9:20:05 AM #64:	party_animal07 posted... Why do people act like squatters are all poor and disenfranchised people when it's typically people who are just abusing the system? Because it's easier to make it a "Poor vs Rich" thing. It's easier for people to understand "Fuck the Rich". Kinda like how people think everyone on disability is poor and "living off my tax dollars" when a lot are actually middle and upper class people milking the system with injuries they don't really have. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979466017] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>party_animal07 posted... </cite><quote>Why do people act like squatters are all poor and disenfranchised people when it's typically people who are just abusing the system?</quote>Because it's easier to make it a "Poor vs Rich" thing. It's easier for people to understand "Fuck the Rich".Kinda like how people think everyone on disability is poor and "living off my tax dollars" when a lot are actually middle and upper class people milking the system with injuries they don't really have. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 03/20/24 9:24:36 AM #65:	Lol this country is getting so ass backwards --- Common sense says it may not taste good, but it'll make a turd. <cite>Smackems posted [p:979466051] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Lol this country is getting so ass backwards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 03/20/24 9:25:35 AM #66:	Damn, Flushing? LSGW_Zephyra posted... Nobody is stealing anything. They would need to live there 10 years before they could think of taking possession of it. They are claiming to be tenants. In which case, if they can't produce a contract then it is considered a month to month lease (iirc) and they can be evicted within 30 days. It's 30 days in NYC. It's 10 years in the rest of the state. Eviction also takes months, not 30 days. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:979466059] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Damn, Flushing?LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Nobody is stealing anything. They would need to live there 10 years before they could think of taking possession of it. They are claiming to be tenants. In which case, if they can't produce a contract then it is considered a month to month lease (iirc) and they can be evicted within 30 days.</quote>It's 30 days in NYC. It's 10 years in the rest of the state.Eviction also takes months, not 30 days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 03/20/24 9:35:52 AM #67:	Things like this is why I'm a lot more weary of trusting people and weary of advancing relationships. Especially the idea of moving and living with each other <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:979466180] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Things like this is why I'm a lot more weary of trusting people and weary of advancing relationships. Especially the idea of moving and living with each other </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 9:37:05 AM #68:	bigblu89 posted... You sound like the kind of person reads about someone getting their watch stolen by a poor person and says "Why do you need a $100 watch when your phone tells time for you?" Uh-huh. I would say that sucks for that person and then move on. InfinityMonster posted... It's 30 days in NYC. It's 10 years in the rest of the state. Eviction also takes months, not 30 days. You sure? I can't find that anywhere. Stealing property is super super rare. You usually hear about it when it happens because the person has to prove they have lived there continuously for a long time and it's not easy even when it's true and has been 10 years --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979466199] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>You sound like the kind of person reads about someone getting their watch stolen by a poor person and says "Why do you need a $100 watch when your phone tells time for you?"</quote>Uh-huh. I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.InfinityMonster posted... </cite><quote>It's 30 days in NYC. It's 10 years in the rest of the state.Eviction also takes months, not 30 days.</quote>You sure? I can't find that anywhere. Stealing property is super super rare. You usually hear about it when it happens because the person has to prove they have lived there continuously for a long time and it's not easy even when it's true and has been 10 years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 03/20/24 9:39:57 AM #69:	Awww the snowflake defending the squatters blocked me. Is he still posting the dumb shit? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:979466230] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Awww the snowflake defending the squatters blocked me. Is he still posting the dumb shit? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 9:46:38 AM #70:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Uh-huh. I would say that sucks for that person and then move on. But what if it's isn't a watch? What if their car is broken into? Does the narrative then become "Don't want your car stolen? Sell it and take the bus!" Eventually the people ACTUALLY DOING THE CRIME are the one that should be punished. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979466320] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Uh-huh. I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.</quote>But what if it's isn't a watch? What if their car is broken into? Does the narrative then become "Don't want your car stolen? Sell it and take the bus!"Eventually the people ACTUALLY DOING THE CRIME are the one that should be punished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 9:50:54 AM #71:	bigblu89 posted... But what if it's isn't a watch? What if their car is broken into? Does the narrative then become "Don't want your car stolen? Sell it and take the bus!" Eventually the people ACTUALLY DOING THE CRIME are the one that should be punished. Who said anything about not punishing someone? I think they should be punished but I also think punishments should be proportional to the damage done and in relation to the need of the person doing the crime. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979466374] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>But what if it's isn't a watch? What if their car is broken into? Does the narrative then become "Don't want your car stolen? Sell it and take the bus!"Eventually the people ACTUALLY DOING THE CRIME are the one that should be punished.</quote>Who said anything about not punishing someone? I think they should be punished but I also think punishments should be proportional to the damage done and in relation to the need of the person doing the crime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 9:56:20 AM #72:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Who said anything about not punishing someone? I think they should be punished but I also think punishments should be proportional to the damage done and in relation to the need of the person doing the crime. Well, when your reaction to someone getting their watch stolen is "I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.", it doesn't sound like you want the person doing the crime to be punished. Sounds more like you're telling the victim to just get over it. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979466421] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Who said anything about not punishing someone? I think they should be punished but I also think punishments should be proportional to the damage done and in relation to the need of the person doing the crime.</quote>Well, when your reaction to someone getting their watch stolen is "I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.", it doesn't sound like you want the person doing the crime to be punished. Sounds more like you're telling the victim to just get over it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 10:06:58 AM #73:	bigblu89 posted... Well, when your reaction to someone getting their watch stolen is "I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.", it doesn't sound like you want the person doing the crime to be punished. Sounds more like you're telling the victim to just get over it. Uh... yeah. I would tell them to move on. What do you expect them to do? Call the police? That will likely escalate the situation to dangerous levels and they probably won't be able to help you anyway. In a hypothetical universe in which all cops aren't bastards? Yeah, go ahead. Either way, the person should face some consequences. But we are talking about practice vs ideal --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979466545] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>Well, when your reaction to someone getting their watch stolen is "I would say that sucks for that person and then move on.", it doesn't sound like you want the person doing the crime to be punished. Sounds more like you're telling the victim to just get over it.</quote>Uh... yeah. I would tell them to move on. What do you expect them to do? Call the police? That will likely escalate the situation to dangerous levels and they probably won't be able to help you anyway. In a hypothetical universe in which all cops aren't bastards? Yeah, go ahead. Either way, the person should face some consequences. But we are talking about practice vs ideal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 10:08:16 AM #74:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Uh... yeah. I would tell them to move on. What do you expect them to do? Call the police? That will likely escalate the situation to dangerous levels and they probably won't be able to help you anyway. In a hypothetical universe in which all cops aren't bastards? Yeah, go ahead. Either way, the person should face some consequences. But we are talking about practice vs ideal Got it. Petty theft is just a "get over it" situation, where the person doing the crime is the actual victim. Makes sense. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979466564] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Uh... yeah. I would tell them to move on. What do you expect them to do? Call the police? That will likely escalate the situation to dangerous levels and they probably won't be able to help you anyway. In a hypothetical universe in which all cops aren't bastards? Yeah, go ahead. Either way, the person should face some consequences. But we are talking about practice vs ideal</quote>Got it. Petty theft is just a "get over it" situation, where the person doing the crime is the actual victim.Makes sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 10:17:31 AM #75:	bigblu89 posted... Got it. Petty theft is just a "get over it" situation, where the person doing the crime is the actual victim. Makes sense. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? I've had enough --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979466704] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite><quote>Got it. Petty theft is just a "get over it" situation, where the person doing the crime is the actual victim.Makes sense.</quote>Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it? I've had enough </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/20/24 11:33:57 AM #76:	Shadow_Don posted... Awww the snowflake defending the squatters blocked me. Is he still posting the dumb shit? Blocked me as well. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979467825] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite><quote>Awww the snowflake defending the squatters blocked me. Is he still posting the dumb shit?</quote>Blocked me as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 03/20/24 11:41:01 AM #77:	Dark_Arbron posted... I guess thats logical in theory, especially with a homeless issue. It's important for unused land to be able to be claimed by new people. Leases, agreements, etc can all be lost over time and having a plot of land that no one can touch even though no one can prove they own it would have cascading issues if left unchecked. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:979467922] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>I guess thats logical in theory, especially with a homeless issue.</quote>It's important for unused land to be able to be claimed by new people. Leases, agreements, etc can all be lost over time and having a plot of land that no one can touch even though no one can prove they own it would have cascading issues if left unchecked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/20/24 11:49:49 AM #78:	Dark_Arbron posted... Squatters rights feels like a super weird concept Almost like "law enforcement" wants morally bankrupt people to be compeled to go out and commit crimes so they can then try to extort them for money. The entire "justice" system is a sham. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:979468093] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Squatters rights feels like a super weird concept</quote>Almost like "law enforcement" wants morally bankrupt people to be compeled to go out and commit crimes so they can then try to extort them for money. The entire "justice" system is a sham.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/20/24 11:52:00 AM #79:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... How? Squatters don't generally occupy your current residence. It's always a second home. In this case, a home someone inherited. Yeah it sucks for that person for a bit, but they will be fine, they inherited a fucking house By stealing from them, attacking them, SAing them, etc.. Squatters are evil people because they have little to no morals. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:979468126] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>How? Squatters don't generally occupy your current residence. It's always a second home. In this case, a home someone inherited. Yeah it sucks for that person for a bit, but they will be fine, they inherited a fucking house</quote>By stealing from them, attacking them, SAing them, etc.. Squatters are evil people because they have little to no morals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 11:55:07 AM #80:	Number090684 posted... By stealing from them, attacking them, SAing them, etc.. Squatters are evil people because they have little to no morals. Something like 40% of all homeless people end up squatting at some point. They aren't evil, they are desperate and I would wager most of them are like that. I don't know about the attacking and sexual assault part. Is there some sort of statistics that says they do that to the owner? --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979468171] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Number090684 posted... </cite><quote>By stealing from them, attacking them, SAing them, etc.. Squatters are evil people because they have little to no morals.</quote>Something like 40% of all homeless people end up squatting at some point. They aren't evil, they are desperate and I would wager most of them are like that. I don't know about the attacking and sexual assault part. Is there some sort of statistics that says they do that to the owner? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/20/24 11:58:51 AM #81:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... Something like 40% of all homeless people end up squatting at some point. They aren't evil, they are desperate and I would wager most of them are like that. I don't know about the attacking and sexual assault part. Is there some sort of statistics that says they do that to the owner? STFU <cite>Number090684 posted [p:979468237] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>Something like 40% of all homeless people end up squatting at some point. They aren't evil, they are desperate and I would wager most of them are like that. I don't know about the attacking and sexual assault part. Is there some sort of statistics that says they do that to the owner?</quote>STFU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/20/24 12:02:31 PM #82:	You first --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979468303] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>You first </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 03/20/24 12:11:57 PM #83:	Sputnik1337 posted... Oh so its basically an extortion racket. Yeah, this sounds incredibly likely. "Give me money I insist I put into this house I don't own and I'll leave" sounds very sketchy --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:979468447] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Sputnik1337 posted... </cite><quote>Oh so its basically an extortion racket.</quote>Yeah, this sounds incredibly likely. "Give me money I insist I put into this house I don't own and I'll leave" sounds very sketchy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goldenguy 03/20/24 1:12:10 PM #84:	Insane. I think it should be a year minimum for squatters rights. 30 days is ludicrous. --- Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. Ignorance, prejudice, and fear walk hand in hand. <cite>Goldenguy posted [p:979469513] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Insane.I think it should be a year minimum for squatters rights. 30 days is ludicrous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/20/24 6:32:48 PM #85:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... You first Nah, I'm not some bad faith actor vouching for scumbag criminals, you are. Fuck off. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:979474976] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>You first</quote>Nah, I'm not some bad faith actor vouching for scumbag criminals, you are. Fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/22/24 7:37:49 AM #86:	Another squatter incident in NY, only this time the squatter beat the owner to death: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80727669 Can't wait to hear LSGW spin this in favor of the squatter. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979501306] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Another squatter incident in NY, only this time the squatter beat the owner to death:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80727669Can't wait to hear LSGW spin this in favor of the squatter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 03/22/24 7:54:30 AM #87:	NYT is being deliberately misleading. Cases like this won't take anywhere close to 20 months. It will be quickly resolved, and the charges for her arrest and any fines that go with them will be dropped. And yeah, it sucks, but for every case like this, there are 4000 abusive boyfriends that kick out their girlfriend and sell her stuff because she's technically not on the lease. Squater's rights exist (and are primarily used, by many orders of magnitude) to protect those people. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:979501476] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>NYT is being deliberately misleading. Cases like this won't take anywhere close to 20 months. It will be quickly resolved, and the charges for her arrest and any fines that go with them will be dropped.And yeah, it sucks, but for every case like this, there are 4000 abusive boyfriends that kick out their girlfriend and sell her stuff because she's technically not on the lease. Squater's rights exist (and are primarily used, by many orders of magnitude) to protect those people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/22/24 9:51:24 AM #88:	DarkChozoGhost posted... And yeah, it sucks, but for every case like this, there are 4000 abusive boyfriends that kick out their girlfriend and sell her stuff because she's technically not on the lease. Squater's rights exist (and are primarily used, by many orders of magnitude) to protect those people. Huh. I hadn't even thought of that. That actually makes total sense. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979502842] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>DarkChozoGhost posted... </cite><quote>And yeah, it sucks, but for every case like this, there are 4000 abusive boyfriends that kick out their girlfriend and sell her stuff because she's technically not on the lease. Squater's rights exist (and are primarily used, by many orders of magnitude) to protect those people.</quote>Huh. I hadn't even thought of that. That actually makes total sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
B18Champ 03/22/24 9:52:45 AM #89:	just saw a story about a woman that was murdered by squatters in NY. That state is completely out of control --- If you can't impress someone with your intelligence, confuse them with your nonsense <cite>B18Champ posted [p:979502868] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>just saw a story about a woman that was murdered by squatters in NY. That state is completely out of control </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/22/24 9:56:02 AM #90:	harry squatter and the sorcerer's home --- No clues, no trace No hands, no face <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:979502912] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>harry squatter and the sorcerer's home </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solution_45 03/22/24 9:57:09 AM #91:	viewmaster_pi posted... harry squatter and the sorcerer's home you're a squatter, harry <cite>Solution_45 posted [p:979502925] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite><quote>harry squatter and the sorcerer's home</quote>you're a squatter, harry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 03/22/24 10:48:52 AM #92:	Solution_45 posted... you're a squatter, harry I'm a what? --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:979503729] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Solution_45 posted... </cite><quote>you're a squatter, harry</quote>I'm a what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsuprised_Pika 03/22/24 10:54:54 AM #93:	ScazarMeltex posted... What poor person has a second home that they don't visit or mantain long enough for squatters to take over? I mean there are also things like extended hospital stays or work like trucking, army etc that can keep you away from home for long periods. Or if say...your parents died. --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 <cite>Unsuprised_Pika posted [p:979503816] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>What poor person has a second home that they don't visit or mantain long enough for squatters to take over?</quote>I mean there are also things like extended hospital stays or work like trucking, army etc that can keep you away from home for long periods.Or if say...your parents died. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/22/24 10:57:42 AM #94:	Unsuprised_Pika posted... I mean there are also things like extended hospital stays or work like trucking, army etc that can keep you away from home for long periods Many of these more recent stories also involve something like a family member dying and their children coming to clean up the house for sale only to find somebody has decided it's theirs now. But it's much easier to pretend that every squatter is someone who would be homeless otherwise sitting in a completely unoccupied home that some landlord doesn't even use because they have 10 other properties. For some people it's important to villainize the victim first so it's easier for them to state their opinion. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979503866] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Unsuprised_Pika posted... </cite><quote>I mean there are also things like extended hospital stays or work like trucking, army etc that can keep you away from home for long periods</quote>Many of these more recent stories also involve something like a family member dying and their children coming to clean up the house for sale only to find somebody has decided it's theirs now.But it's much easier to pretend that every squatter is someone who would be homeless otherwise sitting in a completely unoccupied home that some landlord doesn't even use because they have 10 other properties. For some people it's important to villainize the victim first so it's easier for them to state their opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/22/24 11:20:05 AM #95:	s0nicfan posted... Many of these more recent stories also involve something like a family member dying and their children coming to clean up the house for sale only to find somebody has decided it's theirs now. But it's much easier to pretend that every squatter is someone who would be homeless otherwise sitting in a completely unoccupied home that some landlord doesn't even use because they have 10 other properties. For some people it's important to villainize the victim first so it's easier for them to state their opinion. No one said every, just most. It's kinda wild that you make that claim when a bunch of people here did literally that by calling all squatters scum. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979504249] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Many of these more recent stories also involve something like a family member dying and their children coming to clean up the house for sale only to find somebody has decided it's theirs now.But it's much easier to pretend that every squatter is someone who would be homeless otherwise sitting in a completely unoccupied home that some landlord doesn't even use because they have 10 other properties. For some people it's important to villainize the victim first so it's easier for them to state their opinion.</quote>No one said every, just most. It's kinda wild that you make that claim when a bunch of people here did literally that by calling all squatters scum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/22/24 11:20:56 AM #96:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... No one said every, just most. It's kinda wild that you make that claim when a bunch of people here did literally that by calling all squatters scum. Prove it. Edit: but you're right, I was being unfair to other posters. I meant you. You specifically are trying to villainize the owner in multiple topics by making assumptions about the quantity of properties they own. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979504268] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>No one said every, just most. It's kinda wild that you make that claim when a bunch of people here did literally that by calling all squatters scum.</quote>Prove it.Edit: but you're right, I was being unfair to other posters. I meant you. You specifically are trying to villainize the owner in multiple topics by making assumptions about the quantity of properties they own. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/22/24 11:28:54 AM #97:	s0nicfan posted... Prove it. Edit: but you're right, I was being unfair to other posters. I meant you. You specifically are trying to villainize the owner in multiple topics by making assumptions about the quantity of properties they own. Did I? Other posts first hypothesized that the person who now owns the property might be sick. My response was to say that they might own multiple properties. How else are you supposed to defend against a proposition that someone has no proof of? We can't deal in what ifs but if you want to go down that line I can think of myriad of reasons why this person might be the opposite of struggling. I was defending squatters generally not this specific instance. And I specifically pointed out that while the situation is crappy for this person, they are going to be ok and that you should turn your ire more towards slow ass bureaucracy because the simple fact is, these laws exist to protect people more then to help abusers. Prove it. How do you prove a negative? That's not how burden of proof works. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979504404] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Prove it.Edit: but you're right, I was being unfair to other posters. I meant you. You specifically are trying to villainize the owner in multiple topics by making assumptions about the quantity of properties they own.</quote>Did I? Other posts first hypothesized that the person who now owns the property might be sick. My response was to say that they might own multiple properties. How else are you supposed to defend against a proposition that someone has no proof of? We can't deal in what ifs but if you want to go down that line I can think of myriad of reasons why this person might be the opposite of struggling. I was defending squatters generally not this specific instance. And I specifically pointed out that while the situation is crappy for this person, they are going to be ok and that you should turn your ire more towards slow ass bureaucracy because the simple fact is, these laws exist to protect people more then to help abusers. <quote>Prove it.</quote>How do you prove a negative? That's not how burden of proof works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/22/24 11:30:40 AM #98:	LSGW_Zephyra posted... How do you prove a negative? You said most squatters would be homeless otherwise. That's what I'm asking you to show proof for. Edit: seeing as they blocked me I'm guessing no proof will be coming. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979504432] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>LSGW_Zephyra posted... </cite><quote>How do you prove a negative?</quote>You said most squatters would be homeless otherwise. That's what I'm asking you to show proof for. Edit: seeing as they blocked me I'm guessing no proof will be coming. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 03/22/24 11:46:20 AM #99:	Just so we are clear. The majority of squatters usually inhabit empty houses and other forms of abandoned property, like an office building. People breaking into someone's house and claiming they live there is generally not done and definitely looked down upon by the squatting community. If the building is uninhabited however and they stay there, they are entitled to at least 30 days notice to vacate the premise so they can make other living arrangements. This exists to help cut down on systemic abuse from landlords by doing things like canceling a lease and trying to get rid of them without any notice. The person who is squatting, does not own the property. Most places I know, NY including, I live here, require 10+ years before they can take possession of the property. For everyone else, once they get an eviction notice they have to vacate the premise within 30 days. This idea that you can just go on vacation and someone can steal your house, basically never happens and always makes news if the police side with the squatters. If you can show that you were continuously living in that space, then they can be evicted immediately. There are provisions that prevent someone from just entering a person's house while they are on vacation. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:979504714] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Just so we are clear. The majority of squatters usually inhabit empty houses and other forms of abandoned property, like an office building. People breaking into someone's house and claiming they live there is generally not done and definitely looked down upon by the squatting community. If the building is uninhabited however and they stay there, they are entitled to at least 30 days notice to vacate the premise so they can make other living arrangements. This exists to help cut down on systemic abuse from landlords by doing things like canceling a lease and trying to get rid of them without any notice. The person who is squatting, does not own the property. Most places I know, NY including, I live here, require 10+ years before they can take possession of the property. For everyone else, once they get an eviction notice they have to vacate the premise within 30 days. This idea that you can just go on vacation and someone can steal your house, basically never happens and always makes news if the police side with the squatters. If you can show that you were continuously living in that space, then they can be evicted immediately. There are provisions that prevent someone from just entering a person's house while they are on vacation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 03/22/24 11:47:26 AM #100:	Squatting community. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:979504736] in NY homeown... [t:80726046]...</cite> <quote>Squatting community. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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