Current Events > Undertale is legitimately a much better game than Zelda: Ocarina of Time

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MyWifeBeatsMe
06/18/24 12:33:01 PM
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In 2024 I think we can collectively agree that Zelda: Ocarina of Time is really not that good, and has aged terribly.
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RetuenOfDevsman
06/18/24 12:33:49 PM
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I actually think it has aged well, and it was just a bad game.

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HighSeraph
06/18/24 12:33:51 PM
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No

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IronChef_Kirby
06/18/24 12:37:41 PM
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OoT is boring as shit, and Undertale is somewhere in my top 20 games of all time, maybe even top 10, so I would agree.

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Baron_Ox
06/18/24 12:40:05 PM
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they're too different to compare, IMO.

it's like saying Ocarina of Time is better than Metal Gear Solid, or vice-versa - they both represent peak gaming of their time, were hugely influential, and you can prefer one over the other, but they offered different kinds of experiences.

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ToadallyAwesome
06/18/24 12:40:39 PM
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Baron_Ox posted...
they're too different to compare, IMO.

it's like saying Ocarina of Time is better than Metal Gear Solid, or vice-versa - they both represent peak gaming of their time, were hugely influential, and you can prefer one over the other, but they offered different kinds of experiences.

This is a really good take

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Wedge_Antilles
06/18/24 12:41:27 PM
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OoT is still the best game of all time. Stay mad.

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Baron_Ox
06/18/24 12:41:57 PM
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ToadallyAwesome posted...
This is a really good take
thanks

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Shotgunnova
06/18/24 12:42:23 PM
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Playing Undertale for the first time right now, actually, and while it's fun in a retro way, it hasn't begun approaching OoT territory (yet). Only at a waterfall cave or something right now.

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Justin2Krelian
06/18/24 12:42:41 PM
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I dont agree with the original post, but I actually do agree with the topic title.

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LoveLikeJazz
06/18/24 12:44:03 PM
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HighSeraph posted...
No


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Doe
06/18/24 12:44:41 PM
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Obvious bait topic is obvious. As a Gen Z, I think Ocarina of Time on 3DS is a fantastic game. OoT is obviously more influential in gameplay & level design. Undertale's things are its story, characters, music and charm.

Theres not really that much overlap between the two. If the poll happened today, I would vote Undertale.

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Murphiroth
06/18/24 12:45:20 PM
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Simply incorrect.
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Doe
06/18/24 12:46:27 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Playing Undertale for the first time right now, actually, and while it's fun in a retro way, it hasn't begun approaching OoT territory (yet). Only at a waterfall cave or something right now.
Don't look up any other information about until at least you've seen credits.

What level are you by the way?

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EmbraceOfDeath
06/18/24 12:47:50 PM
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Lmao.

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PMarth2002
06/18/24 12:52:15 PM
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I like Undertale, but no I don't agree that it's better than OoT, that OoT is a bad game, or that it aged terribly.

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RagingDemon123
06/18/24 12:53:49 PM
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Undertale is up there as one of the most overrated games of the last decade
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Kaldrenthebold
06/18/24 12:54:38 PM
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I completely disagree that OoT has aged poorly, that's fucking stupid.

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MyWifeBeatsMe
06/18/24 12:55:46 PM
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The first good 3D Zelda game was Wind Waker.

5th generation consoles didn't do 3D very well. Most suffered from awful blocky textures, bad or no camera control. early 3D gaming was very rough. PS2/GameCube/Xbox was when 3D games became playable and most of them still hold up today.
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ssb_yunglink2
06/18/24 12:57:06 PM
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MyWifeBeatsMe posted...
The first good 3D Zelda game was Wind Waker.

5th generation consoles didn't do 3D very well. Most suffered from awful blocky textures, bad or no camera control. early 3D gaming was very rough. PS2/GameCube/Xbox was when 3D games became playable and most of them still hold up today.
Absolutely awful opinions

I reject everything in this post

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Baron_Ox
06/18/24 12:57:39 PM
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is this a Scotty alt?

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Doe
06/18/24 12:59:26 PM
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N64 games being rough is something I'll generally agree with TC about. I don't find Super Mario 64 very fun. Obviously it's important and revolutionary for it's time, but the game is sort of designed for the player to marvel at being able to traverse 3D space at all, which is something taken for granted by my generation.

I think OOT holds up a lot better than Mario 64 though due to its focus on puzzles and exploration.

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PowerMan5000000
06/18/24 12:59:48 PM
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lol no

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PMarth2002
06/18/24 1:01:17 PM
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Just because the graphics aren't up to today's standards doesn't mean the games were bad. OoT is still fun, and you can play it with updated graphics if it bothers you.

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MyWifeBeatsMe
06/18/24 1:05:34 PM
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It's not just about the blocky graphics, but has to do with the archaic controls, the unskippable cut scenes, the slow dialogue, the slow animations. So much waiting...and waiting.

Playing through OoT is a slog. Meanwhile A Link to the Past has aged perfectly and it's just as fun to play today as it was when it was released.
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ssb_yunglink2
06/18/24 1:15:09 PM
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MyWifeBeatsMe posted...
It's not just about the blocky graphics, but has to do with the archaic controls, the unskippable cut scenes, the slow dialogue, the slow animations. So much waiting...and waiting.

Playing through OoT is a slog. Meanwhile A Link to the Past has aged perfectly and it's just as fun to play today as it was when it was released.
how are OoT controls archaic

Z targeting is still a revolutionary feature used today

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Karovorak
06/18/24 1:21:14 PM
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Except that I don't think I had any kind of fun playing Undertale at all.

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BearlyWilling
06/18/24 1:58:35 PM
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Undertale has got to be the most overrated game of all time, sheesh

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Murphiroth
06/20/24 12:24:32 PM
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MyWifeBeatsMe posted...
Playing through OoT is a slog.

Incorrect.
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TMOG
06/20/24 12:28:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSykPzw9cOg
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gamer167
06/20/24 12:42:27 PM
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Undertale is the ultimate neckbeard game
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Sayoria
06/20/24 12:59:16 PM
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Literally no one saying that his wife doesnt beat him enough, or that he was beat too much that he is stupid now. I always look for those posts in TCs threads.

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TMOG
06/20/24 1:06:49 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Literally no one saying that his wife doesnt beat him enough, or that he was beat too much that he is stupid now. I always look for those posts in TCs threads.
The fuck
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Giant_Aspirin
06/20/24 1:07:09 PM
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MyWifeBeatsMe posted...
It's not just about the blocky graphics, but has to do with the archaic controls, the unskippable cut scenes, the slow dialogue, the slow animations. So much waiting...and waiting.

you're talking about Undertale, right?

yes, i know that's the joke

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mehmeh1
06/20/24 1:09:21 PM
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TMOG posted...
The fuck
check TC's username

MyWifeBeatsMe posted...
It's not just about the blocky graphics, but has to do with the archaic controls, the unskippable cut scenes, the slow dialogue, the slow animations. So much waiting...and waiting.

Playing through OoT is a slog. Meanwhile A Link to the Past has aged perfectly and it's just as fun to play today as it was when it was released.
tbh graphics aside I kinda feel ALTTP has aged a bit worse, but that's more on how slippery it always felt to me and how I prefer LA and the Capcom games' design

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Doe
06/20/24 1:26:19 PM
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gamer167 posted...
Undertale is the ultimate neckbeard game
A neckbeard is way more likely to say OOT is the greatest game and modern gaming has fallen to Woke

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Iyami
06/20/24 1:27:16 PM
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gamer167 posted...
Undertale is the ultimate neckbeard game

Doe posted...
A neckbeard is way more likely to say OOT is the greatest game and modern gaming has fallen to Woke

What makes a "neckbeard" ?
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Doe
06/20/24 1:33:01 PM
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Iyami posted...
What makes a "neckbeard" ?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3ca1fe6f.jpg

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Baphometa
06/20/24 1:34:33 PM
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13 year old me and 30 year old me had the same problems with LttP and OoT: too much backtracking/running between NPCs.

OoT is at its best when you're just exploring and finding fresh things to do. Lon Lon Ranch, Kakariko Village, and Lake Hylia are the best locations because you're just interacting with the world without (many) expectations. Though, if you don't like the fishing game it's going to be an immediate -20 likability points.

Same with LttP. So many puzzles are just "take <key> to <NPC-lock> to unlock next part." I also generally prefer the controls of LA-style games.

LA > LoZ > LttP > OoT
MM and AoL fit in somewhere. MM has lots to just do and explore and I don't mind the timer, but also a lot of <bring thing to NPC>. AoL has more action than LttP, but the exploration is pretty rough.

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LonelyStoner
06/20/24 1:36:16 PM
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OoT still holds up very well, especially the 3D remaster.

I dont understand this recent boner some people have for bashing one of the greatest games ever made.

I know a lot of it is just trolling, but a good bit of it also comes from Gen Z gamers.

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Sayoria
06/20/24 1:57:19 PM
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TMOG posted...
The fuck

Literally his name and rhe meme of all his inane opinion posts.

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Lordgold666
06/20/24 2:27:42 PM
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Username checks out

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splodeymissile
06/20/24 2:29:52 PM
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The actual gameplay of undertale is rudimentary at best. Damn near any zelda game eclipses it

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R_Jackal
06/20/24 2:36:10 PM
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Undertale is a tough wannabe with hamfisted morality tacked on.
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Doe
06/20/24 2:39:01 PM
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R_Jackal posted...
hamfisted morality tacked on.
When people write stuff like this I figure they didn't actually play Undertale.

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R_Jackal
06/20/24 2:41:04 PM
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Doe posted...
When people write stuff like this I figure they didn't actually play Undertale.
I mean, the morality choices are literally beat you in the face with a shovel obvious. Only things I liked were the lore because I'm an everything lore nerd and the soundtrack.
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Ratchetrockon
06/20/24 2:41:04 PM
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Best gamer ever

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