Current Events > With all the Biden talk, I'm becoming truly concerned that Trump will win

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I feel Biden is probably not doing so well, but I also don't think there's another candidate for peeps to rally behind this close to the election, even if others, including Jon Stewart, seem to feel otherwise. Like, I'm genuinely scared that it went from a 50/50 chance of Trump winning to becoming a lock for that fucker to get in

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This is also the first thing I do when I wake up

Same, TC. I was confident that Biden would win. Confidence destroyed.

And what will you do if you fear Trump will win?

- You can keep supporting Biden and nothing changes.
- You can join the movement to replace Biden for a candidate that might have a better chance to defeat Trump. But it was way too late, imo.
- You can join the fanatics that chose to harass undecided voters and call them Trumpers in disguise, and losing them.
- Or you can try your best to get more people to vote for Biden. But ultimately, it's still up to Biden.

The word about Project 2025 is still spreading, even with the media not talking about it and Facebook attempting to suppress discussion of it by claiming it's false information.

As a liberal, we fucking love making ourselves lose.

Bat178 posted...

The word about Project 2025 is still spreading, even with the media avoiding talking about it and Facebook attempting to suppress discussion of it by blocking links to it and saying it's false information. That should hopefully turn out more people for Biden.

Your kidding right?

I have seen Project 2025 talked about more by the general media in the past week then I have seen in years before. Shit, this was even part of an opening monologue on Late Night With Seth Meyers, beyond that both CNN and MSNBC have done some pieces about it, and it was also just on the Daily Show a few nights ago.

So yeah this notion that the media is ignoring it is ridiculous, I guess if you only watch Faux News that might be the case.

kind9 posted...

Same, TC. I was confident that Biden would win. Confidence destroyed.

For me, the confidence was never in Biden but in my fellow Americans.

Trump attacked American democracy and wants to be a dictator. But Biden is old.

It breaks my heart to realize I was lied to my whole life, this idea that Americans inherently want freedom and democracy for everyone.

Because for 3 election cycles in a row weve had to have this fight. We cant just agree dictatorship is always bad

Even if Trump loses (which I have no faith in) in 2028 well be doing this again.

Dictatorship is the default desire for Americans, if the alternative isnt perfect theyll resort to the default the first chance they get.

Yazarogi posted...

As a liberal, we fucking love making ourselves lose.

If Democrats from the start of it all propped up Bernie and let him win and do what he needed to to help people out, Democrats would have been stronger than ever. But the corporations have their hands so deep in the Democrats pockets that we dance so close to fascism every god damn election cycle now. If Democrats never vilified him and we could even get a taste of what he wanted to give us, people would be a loooooooooooot happier. But nah, gotta keep the poor poor.

Monopoman posted...

Your kidding right?

I have seen Project 2025 talked about more by the general media in the past week then I have seen in years before. Shit, this was even part of an opening monologue on Late Night With Seth Meyers, beyond that both CNN and MSNBC have done some pieces about it, and it was also just on the Daily Show a few nights ago.

So yeah this notion that the media is ignoring it is ridiculous, I guess if you only watch Faux News that might be the case.

They're burying it under all the talk of the debate and calls for Biden to back down.

hmnut7 posted...

For me, the confidence was never in Biden but in my fellow Americans.

I guess that's really what I meant. Biden himself doesn't inspire confidence. I still think the majority of Americans don't want Trump or MAGA or anything they stand for. It's the people in charge who fuck us over.

What happened with "Vote Blue no matter who"?
If people really mean it, the whoever replacing Biden should still get full support of the people who voted against trump, PLUS the people who doesn't want Biden and Trump.

RndmNmber1 posted...

What happened with "Vote Blue no matter who"?
If people really mean it, the whoever replacing Biden should still get full support of the people who voted against trump, PLUS the people who doesn't want Biden and Trump.

Everyone keeps saying it's too late in the election cycle, and I believe everything everyone says.

kind9 posted...

Everyone keeps saying it's too late in the election cycle, and I believe everything everyone says.

It's too late in the election cycle for a change due to what Left couldn't do already.

And that is throw full support behind a candidate even if they aren't perfect.

The absolute most disturbing thing about people saying Biden should be replaced is no one has a NAME.

I honestly think Biden has done a very good job, but if someone else can guarantee a Trump lost, I would drop Biden like a bad habit. BUT WHO?!!!!

Who is ready to step up, and who are the far left liberals, the moderate democrats, and the independents ready to throw the full support behind. And here's the important piece, it can't just be someone they love during the honeymoon, when a scandal pops up they still will "Stand by their Man"

Who is EVERYONE willing to vote for no matter what?

Anytime I throw out a name, I several people who do the "but they're not perfect because..." which tells me, this isn't about finding someone better than Trump (which Biden objectively is, a blind monkey is better than Trump), it's about how Americans are only against Trump/Dictatorship if the alternative is PERFECT.

Trump's win in 2016 wasn't the fluke, Biden's win in 2020 was. Disagree? Prove me wrong in 2024.

As long as either Biden stays in the race OR he resigns the presidency now to let Harris continue his incumbency, we will win this.

But a convention snap election next month to see if Whitmer or Bernie would fill the role is a bad move and we will LOSE.

RndmNmber1 posted...

What happened with "Vote Blue no matter who"?
If people really mean it, the whoever replacing Biden should still get full support of the people who voted against trump, PLUS the people who doesn't want Biden and Trump.

Alot of people feel that way, but many more vote on familiarity and connection to how the administration performed. With new names you lose that record and that familiarity.

Sayoria posted...

If Democrats from the start of it all propped up Bernie and let him win and do what he needed to to help people out, Democrats would have been stronger than ever. But the corporations have their hands so deep in the Democrats pockets that we dance so close to fascism every god damn election cycle now. If Democrats never vilified him and we could even get a taste of what he wanted to give us, people would be a loooooooooooot happier. But nah, gotta keep the poor poor.

theres the what ifs (which I agree btw, Bernie was my candidate, and Id still take him now)

and then there is reality. No sense in pondering what ifs at this stage in the game.

Yazarogi posted...

As a liberal, we fucking love making ourselves lose.

Everybody has to be good at something. At least Democrats found theirs.

It's starting to seem like this now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmQM9OlBoh0

Plankton = voters
Spongebob = Democrats
Eel dude = Republicans
Ice cream = election/democracy.

So, uh, what are yall doing to prepare in case Trump wins?

rexcrk posted...

So, uh, what are yall doing to prepare in case Trump wins?

I was born in Europe, so that gives me a way out of the country if he does.

rexcrk posted...

So, uh, what are yall doing to prepare in case Trump wins?

Mostly convincing myself the fears are overblown, which really is just a low does of copium.

BTW Biden spoke in DC a day or two ago and he was fine. He had energy and his speech was clear and without confusion. No teleprompter either. George Clooney and everyone else needs to shut the fuck up.

kind9 posted...

BTW Biden spoke in DC a day or two ago and he was fine. He had energy and his speech was clear and without confusion. No teleprompter either. George Clooney and everyone else needs to shut the fuck up.

Agreed. People should stop letting themselves fall for the spell of the mass media.

Humble_Novice posted...

Agreed. People should stop letting themselves fall for the spell of the mass media.

Biden should address the celebs and donors directly in a speech.

What's baffling to me is that Biden and everyone in the military who took oaths to defend the constitution are dead set against doing anything against clear threats to it

kind9 posted...

BTW Biden spoke in DC a day or two ago and he was fine. He had energy and his speech was clear and without confusion. No teleprompter either. George Clooney and everyone else needs to shut the fuck up.

It's still a problem if his most publicized appearances are filled with stumbles. 50 million people watched the debate; how many saw this rally?

Intro2Logic posted...

It's still a problem if his most publicized appearances are filled with stumbles. 50 million people watched the debate; how many saw this rally?

The point is that Biden is in fact NOT one foot in the grave as seems to be the mainstream narrative right now. Ignorance is always a problem.

He speaks a little quieter. His voice is a little more raspy. But he speaks truthfully and for the country, not for himself. And that's what matters most.

It feels like it's been years since the "Dark Brandon" meme huh

The whole point of American media is to keep things 'exciting' all the way. It's like those cooking shows where contestents have a certain amount of time to prepare something, and the show makes it look like they're rushing to complete the dish until the very last second (even though in reality they're often already done before the timer runs out).

It's the same reasoning why it's so hard to find accurate polls and objective sources around this kind of thing. The true state of affairs usually isn't very exciting.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

He speaks a little quieter. His voice is a little more raspy. But he speaks truthfully and for the country, not for himself. And that's what matters most.

I believe a cold was giving him issues because less than 24 hours later he gave a very powerful speech, sure he had a teleprompter but that doesn't change how his voice sounds or how commanding his speech is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

Even if he said the same exact things at the debate and sounded like this people would have thought he did a better job. Sure teleprompters help him with what to say but they sure as fuck don't make him sound this way.

kind9 posted...

BTW Biden spoke in DC a day or two ago and he was fine. He had energy and his speech was clear and without confusion. No teleprompter either. George Clooney and everyone else needs to shut the fuck up.

Wasn't the fundraiser with Clooney like over three weeks ago? Why is he just speaking now if he's so concerned?

hmnut7 posted...

It's too late in the election cycle for a change due to what Left couldn't do already.

And that is throw full support behind a candidate even if they aren't perfect.

The absolute most disturbing thing about people saying Biden should be replaced is no one has a NAME.

I honestly think Biden has done a very good job, but if someone else can guarantee a Trump lost, I would drop Biden like a bad habit. BUT WHO?!!!!

Who is ready to step up, and who are the far left liberals, the moderate democrats, and the independents ready to throw the full support behind. And here's the important piece, it can't just be someone they love during the honeymoon, when a scandal pops up they still will "Stand by their Man"

Who is EVERYONE willing to vote for no matter what?

Anytime I throw out a name, I several people who do the "but they're not perfect because..." which tells me, this isn't about finding someone better than Trump (which Biden objectively is, a blind monkey is better than Trump), it's about how Americans are only against Trump/Dictatorship if the alternative is PERFECT.

Trump's win in 2016 wasn't the fluke, Biden's win in 2020 was. Disagree? Prove me wrong in 2024.

Nah, it was a bit of a fluke and it was partially because Hillary fucked the campaign up. She didn't visit the rust belt once and Trump went there often and guess what he won those states, Hillary thought they would go for her easily.

She also spent a ton of time and money trying to get Texas to flip blue and it didn't work. So yeah Hillary or her campaign managers were making major mistakes in 2016 which led to Trump winning.

Shit, in the first footage of Trump at the white house as the upcoming President he is looking around a bit bewildered at how that happened. Sure his ego would not allow him to ever say that but they were not ready at all to run the country on day 1.

People just think every election is just a popularity contest and while that might be partially true how you campaign, and where you campaign, and spend money is vital to winning. This is especially true because you aren't going to really flip anyone that had their mind made up 3+ months before the election. You are courting independents and undecided voters that's it, most people make up their mind on who they are voting for way before election day.

Monopoman posted...

Hillary thought they would go for her easily.

And Biden thought people would go for him easily, so he didn't try make an effort to gain votes. And now here we are

Watch Trump die in September and then we get an even crazier scenario where Republicans run him as a martyr.

RndmNmber1 posted...

And Biden thought people would go for him easily, so he didn't try make an effort to gain votes. And now here we are

The shit you people fire out with 0 regard of reality is wild.

Heineken14 posted...

The shit you people fire out with 0 regard of reality is wild.

Pot, meet kettle.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Pot, meet kettle.

You know that doesn't make sense, right?

Heineken14 posted...

You know that doesn't make sense, right?

Only to the feeblest minds.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Only to the feeblest minds.

Ok.

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1811564038838423986

This should also add to your concern. Think about what it means when your OPPONENT thinks you shouldn't be replaced.

DUKLegend posted...

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1811564038838423986

This should also add to your concern. Think about what it means when your OPPONENT thinks you shouldn't be replaced.

People are saying it would be worse if Biden WAS replaced due to 4 months not being enough time for them to build a base around themselves, plus Kamala, the most likely replacement, being extremely unpopular.

DUKLegend posted...

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1811564038838423986

This should also add to your concern. Think about what it means when your OPPONENT thinks you shouldn't be replaced.

Yes, it would be very smart of them to try and stop all of the current democratic infighting. They obviously want more focus to be on them and their policies....

Heineken14 posted...

The shit you people fire out with 0 regard of reality is wild.

Apparently Hillary thinking something and making horrid mistakes in her campaign which was paramount to losing is the same as Biden thinking something.

I think we have a MAGA guy here. I also will point out the polls and most people in the media gave Trump no chance, even 2 weeks before the election you could see people at different news organizations laughing about the thought of a Trump presidency.

Bat178 posted...

People are saying it would be worse if Biden WAS replaced due to 4 months not being enough time for them to build a base around themselves, plus Kamela, the most likely replacement, being extremely unpopular.

There are also donation concerns, if it wasn't Kamala or Biden they have to basically start fundraising from 0. Biden has over $200 million in donations to use at this point, if some other guy like say Gavin Newsom comes out he has 4 months to raise money at a rapid rate.

Monopoman posted...

There are also donation concerns, if it wasn't Kamala or Biden they have to basically start fundraising from 0. Biden has over $200 million in donations to use at this point, if some other guy like say Gavin Newsom comes out he has 4 months to raise money at a rapid rate.

Plus, the Democratic Party replacing their candidate would make them look weaker than the infighting already is, and the GOP would pounce on that.