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AdmittedFelon
07/14/24 12:43:20 AM
#201:


DodogamaRayBrst posted...
If they see someone pointing a gun at a political rally that isn't part of the secret service/protection detail with the authority to do so, yes, obviously. Don't be this way.
We don't know what they saw until more information is provided. We know they saw a person. From that far away, they might not have known they had a gun.

I'm just saying, there have been alot of people saying how law enforcement shouldn't shoot everyone they suspect (this is obviously a good thing!), and now people are acting surprised that they didn't shoot someone suspicious.

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StealThisSheen
07/14/24 12:44:06 AM
#202:


AdmittedFelon posted...
We don't know what they saw until more information is provided. We know they saw a person. From that far away, they might not have known they had a gun.

I'm just saying, there have been alot of people saying how law enforcement shouldn't shoot everyone they suspect (this is obviously a good thing!), and now people are acting surprised that they didn't shoot someone suspicious.

Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

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Starks
07/14/24 12:44:56 AM
#203:


My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.

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DodogamaRayBrst
07/14/24 12:45:28 AM
#204:


AdmittedFelon posted...
I'm just saying, there have been alot of people saying how law enforcement shouldn't shoot everyone they suspect (this is obviously a good thing!), and now people are acting surprised that they didn't shoot someone suspicious.
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StealThisSheen
07/14/24 12:46:38 AM
#205:


DodogamaRayBrst posted...
I hope you lose CE access so I don't have to read your garbage fire posts again.

See? Even when we disagree, we can come together on the important matters.

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Quorthon109
07/14/24 12:46:59 AM
#206:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.

The shooter could be proven to be a turbo nazi and the right would just dismiss him as a troubled young man

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CoyoteTheGreat
07/14/24 12:47:06 AM
#207:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.

Imagine how quickly the media will try to kill this story if it turns out, this was over Trump taking abortion off the Republican platform or some shit like that, lol.

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BunkerBoy
07/14/24 12:47:48 AM
#208:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.
Groyper?
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Zero_Destroyer
07/14/24 12:48:14 AM
#209:


Implying this is stage is unhinged garbage. He was hit in the ear, people died, the shooter died. The simple fact is that the temperature of politics is and has been extremely high for years and an assassination attempt was inevitable. We had gone an abnormally long time without one.

There's no way in which;

1: Trump was convincingly injured yet not killed by a gunman stationed hundreds of meters away

2: Enough people knew to keep it a secret

3: The person committing the shooting would've been willing to die or risk dying had they been caught since they were outside the perimeter to begin with

You have to be brain poisoned to believe it was a false flag and your mental process is no different from an Alex Jones supporter if you think otherwise.

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Heineken14
07/14/24 12:48:21 AM
#210:


BunkerBoy posted...
Groyper?

Yeah, I had to look it up too. It's the Nick Fuentes type alt-righters.

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dotsdfe
07/14/24 12:50:17 AM
#211:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.

I've heard rumors that the shooter's name was found on a voter registration as a Republican, but I'm taking it with a monumental grain of salt until there's more credible info out there. There are so many conflicting stories and potential misinformation out there that I'm not taking anything as fact until there's credible evidence presented.

I feel like, as sad as it is to say, what political affiliation the shooter ends up being tied to is going to shift the narrative incredibly hard. As much as it sucks to say that, I think it's true.

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OTobs
07/14/24 12:50:31 AM
#212:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.

That is indeed uninformed and not very logical as murdering their hero would be counterproductive.
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StealThisSheen
07/14/24 12:50:31 AM
#213:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
The person committing the shooting would've been willing to die or risk dying had they been caught since they were outside the perimeter to begin with

Touching on nothing else, did you not see how many people were willing to die for Trump on January 6th?

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Zero_Destroyer
07/14/24 12:51:02 AM
#214:


BunkerBoy posted...
Groyper?

Groypers are a subset of alt-righters that follow Nick Fuentes, a hispanic Aryan Nationalist that is a holocaust denier and believes Israel is responsible for all of America's woes. He is a rabid anti-semite and recently condemned Trump as an Israeli puppet.

The premise a groyper did this is plausible, but I think it's more likely a disaffected left-winger (i.e the congressional baseball shooter) or a loner that was mentally ill as is often the case with these kinds of assassination attempts.

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Deyestus
07/14/24 12:51:09 AM
#215:


There's just way too much "supposed" info flying around right now.

Hopefully tomorrow we'll have something concrete.

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AdmittedFelon
07/14/24 12:51:54 AM
#216:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
Implying this is stage is unhinged garbage. He was hit in the ear, people died, the shooter died.
Finally someone sane. I had to reread my posts to make sure I wasn't saying something wrong. Getting dogpiled by conspiracy nuts is wild.

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Heineken14
07/14/24 12:51:59 AM
#217:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
people died, the shooter died.

Zero_Destroyer posted...
3: The person committing the shooting would've been willing to die or risk dying had they been caught since they were outside the perimeter to begin with

This definitely isn't good enough logic to say it's not. A lot of the mass shooters have no intention of leaving alive, if someone was convinced this would help their cause dying for it wouldn't be too far fetched.

That being said... no, the fact Donnie only got a light graze is the most sound reasoning for it not being staged. This shit aint Wanted, dude wasn't up there curving bullets to precisely hit only the top of his ear and that's it. Fucking Leonidas up there just proving that Xerxes could bleed. lol

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Starks
07/14/24 12:52:02 AM
#218:


OTobs posted...
That is indeed uninformed and not very logical as murdering their hero would be counterproductive.
It's not logical. But the guy looks like an incel and ready to lash out at the world. Maybe someone who sees assassination as the ultimate meme.

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dotsdfe
07/14/24 12:52:54 AM
#219:


Deyestus posted...
There's just way too much "supposed" info flying around right now.

Hopefully tomorrow we'll have something concrete.

Yeah, I'm extremely hesitant to believe anything right now, and I'd encourage others to remain skeptical too. There's just so much random info out there and a lot of it seems to be fake.

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Dark_twisted
07/14/24 12:53:03 AM
#220:


OTobs posted...
That is indeed uninformed and not very logical as murdering their hero would be counterproductive.
It plausible that he could have been mad that Trump is trying to distance himself from Project 2025 and decided to take action.

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StealThisSheen
07/14/24 12:53:53 AM
#221:


Everything aside, if it does end up a certainty that Trump actually was grazed by a bullet, then yeah, there's no way this was staged in the slightest.

Literally the only thing keeping that conspiracy theory alive is that sources are unsure if he was actually hit or not.

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DodogamaRayBrst
07/14/24 1:00:13 AM
#223:


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It's beyond a stretch to believe that Trump cronies would put their daddy Mac in the path of a lunatic's bullet hoping that the guy would aim at the thingy next to Trump and not miss or decide to change his target.

It's Alex Jones tier shit.
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BlueTigerLion
07/14/24 1:01:25 AM
#224:


So was the "Thomas Matthew Crooks" name fake too? Seems the other poster who said it deleted the post in thread.

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BDSMKane
07/14/24 1:04:33 AM
#225:


Starks posted...
My uninformed profile so far: Shooter is a groyper, gun nut, and registered Republican.
Groyper?
AdmittedFelon posted...
We don't know what they saw until more information is provided. We know they saw a person. From that far away, they might not have known they had a gun.

I'm just saying, there have been alot of people saying how law enforcement shouldn't shoot everyone they suspect (this is obviously a good thing!), and now people are acting surprised that they didn't shoot someone suspicious.
The only way this is even within the realm of possibility is if Trump has specified that no one with a firearm near his rallies be shot unless theyre firing. I know his rallies are gun free zones, but a lot of Conservative events have firearms being held proudly in public.

So is there maybe, possibly, a standing order by Trump not to treat proud gun toting Americans as threatsunlikely. It could account for the odd behavior though. I also wouldnt consider it likely for the USSS to ignore a credible threat in such an open way, with so many cameras and eyewitnesses, unless they had good reason. Theyre an agency that is always keenly aware of operating in the spotlight.

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Diceheist
07/14/24 1:08:16 AM
#227:


BDSMKane posted...
Groyper?

Groypers are fans of Nick Feuntes, a self-proclaimed alt-right fascist white nationalist incel, and political ally of Kanye West who once had a meeting with him and Trump.

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Arcanine2009
07/14/24 1:11:19 AM
#228:


GranQroppoop posted...
TMZ and Newsmax both say they have sources that Trump wasn't shot but was hit by broken glass from the teleprompter being shot.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/police-trump-glass/2024/07/13/id/1172410/
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-rally-president-election/
ahh fuck. Usually they are right. About dead people...

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ssb_yunglink2
07/14/24 1:11:51 AM
#229:


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I think theres a line between some of this isnt adding up, im going to wait for more info hours after the shooting, and this is clearly a false flag immediately as the shooting happened. Idk how immediately saying a shooting is staged or didnt happen at all is much better than Alex Jones.

There were people saying it was fake bullets and paintballs.

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DodogamaRayBrst
07/14/24 1:13:01 AM
#230:


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That's what literally any person would say when being compared to Jones no matter how comparable his dumb conspiracy theory is.
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AdmittedFelon
07/14/24 1:13:21 AM
#231:


BDSMKane posted...
The only way this is even within the realm of possibility is if Trump has specified that no one with a firearm near his rallies be shot unless theyre firing. I know his rallies are gun free zones, but a lot of Conservative events have firearms being held proudly in public.

So is there maybe, possibly, a standing order by Trump not to treat proud gun toting Americans as threatsunlikely. It could account for the odd behavior though. I also wouldnt consider it likely for the USSS to ignore a credible threat in such an open way, with so many cameras and eyewitnesses, unless they had good reason. Theyre an agency that is always keenly aware of operating in the spotlight.
I'm not supporting anything as matter of fact. I just took issue with everyone immediately claiming "conspiracy!" just because some snipers weren't immediately firing on a person that they saw. I assume there is a real reason, such as not seeing a gun (maybe it was obstructed in some way), but I'm not going to immediately assume it was all part of their Cheeto's plan. That is pure brainrot.

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DUKLegend
07/14/24 1:20:42 AM
#232:


BlueTigerLion posted...
So was the "Thomas Matthew Crooks" name fake too? Seems the other poster who said it deleted the post in thread.

Thomas Matthew Crooks made a video after the fact. He said he hates Trump and Republicans, but he's not the guy.

People are throwing names out there (like that Antifa guy earlier) with no regard for how much it can harm that person.

We should wait for more info.
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UnholyMudcrab
07/14/24 1:23:08 AM
#234:


DUKLegend posted...
Thomas Matthew Crooks made a video after the fact. He said he hates Trump and Republicans, but he's not the guy.
Was it the actual guy, or was it just someone trying to chase clout? I had heard that the account was only created today, but I can't check that myself.

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DUKLegend
07/14/24 1:23:53 AM
#235:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Was it the actual guy, or was it just someone trying to chase clout? I had heard that the account was only created today, but I can't check that myself.

Could be this too.

My main point really being we should wait
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BlueTigerLion
07/14/24 1:26:53 AM
#236:


DUKLegend posted...
Thomas Matthew Crooks made a video after the fact. He said he hates Trump and Republicans, but he's not the guy.

People are throwing names out there (like that Antifa guy earlier) with no regard for how much it can harm that person.

We should wait for more info.

That video dude was the person whose pics was proven fake. It was someone named "jewgazing"

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Cassie
07/14/24 1:29:02 AM
#237:


Apparently theres two Crooks.

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StarFighters76
07/14/24 1:33:19 AM
#238:


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That would be so fucking sick if that was the case. Is there no depths?!

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BDSMKane
07/14/24 1:34:25 AM
#239:


I would actually 100% believe a Republican voter did this, for what its worth. Some Conservatives I know would prefer anyone as the GOP nominee but Trump. They think hes dangerous and a threat to the party they support.

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SaikyoStyle
07/14/24 1:35:45 AM
#240:


StarFighters76 posted...
That would be so fucking sick if that was the case. Is there no depths?!
If there are then we havent seen them yet.

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UnholyMudcrab
07/14/24 1:41:20 AM
#242:


Alright, now we apparently have confirmation from the FBI of the shooter's identity as Crooks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZyUCxr046Q

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Irony
07/14/24 1:43:45 AM
#243:


Confirmation of what

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UnholyMudcrab
07/14/24 1:44:47 AM
#244:


Irony posted...
Confirmation of what
The shooter's identity. I'll edit it in.

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Humble_Novice
07/14/24 1:44:59 AM
#245:


Who is it?
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Umbreon
07/14/24 1:45:31 AM
#246:


MSNBC is saying the FBI has identified the shooter. I wonder how much of the info regarding him is accurate.


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DUKLegend
07/14/24 1:45:38 AM
#247:


Irony posted...
Confirmation of what

FBI confirms shooter "Thomas Matthew Crooks"
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Humble_Novice
07/14/24 1:48:11 AM
#248:


Yes, but which Thomas Matthew Crooks?
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HudGard
07/14/24 1:49:10 AM
#249:


Storming the capitol
Voting system drama/death threats/et al
Attempted assassination

Yay democracy...


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davyheinz
07/14/24 1:55:23 AM
#250:


Humble_Novice posted...
Yes, but which Thomas Matthew Crooks?
Yeah, thats the confusing part for me right now. Long haired dude is not him, short haired dude is? Not sure about other info still like registered Republican and whatever

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