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King_Rial posted...

Somehow giving examples seemingly breaks this easy exercise for some of you? I don't know. But ignore the examples, and think of YOUR most deeply held convictions. If you are already doing that and still saying you'd betray them then...okay.

But for me? No. I couldn't. But I'm a lot simpler than others, I guess. A basic boy. Simple that is to say, in that my convictions revolve around not actively and intentionally harming innocents. I'd sooner inflict it upon myself than someone else. I'd rather redacted myself than harm someone else.

chad

The majority here hate the rich yet will do the same in their position.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

The majority here hate the rich yet will do the same in their position.

i sincerely, sincerely doubt the majority here hate the rich

Probably, but Id feel bad about it, and I would try to not let anyone know. Times are pretty tough right now, tbh.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

The majority here hate the rich yet will do the same in their position.

I have an ethical obligation to donate a certain amount of my time, but if I had enough money I could do more good with the money.

The problem with how this question is framed is that there is no actual condition that you betray your convictions.

Let's say the person in question gets a job in a neo-Nazi organization. At $1 million a week, you are required to stand up in a public park and spew hatred for 8 hours. You end up going deep into Central Park in a low-density area at weird hours, set the P.A. volume to barely audible, speak in complete contradictions, and embezzle the hell out of their organization.

There is always a way to not betray your convictions and screw them over while you're at it.

No because I like not being a loser like so many others who cave for just money.

yeah why not, getting paid. doesn't mean i actually have to do all the bad shit that those people do. i'll become a representation of what i would want someone in that position to aspire to be. and also get paid solidly.

then i leave, people will probably still bicker about me trying to lead some kind of change, and i'm paid well. sounds like a plan to me.

Depends how much money and which convictions we're talking about.

There's a huge difference between "say some nasty stuff for big money" vs "physically harm a lot of people for big money". I could very easily see myself doing the former if the money was big enough, but I really don't think I could do the latter.

Dungeater posted...

i recall the time CE voted in a 90/10 split that they would pocket a 20 they found on the floor in a fast food rest room

They also said that if they won the lottery, they would donate none of it to charities

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No because I like not being a loser like so many others who cave for just money.

chad

Money would solve almost all of my problems, my family's problems, friend's problems, heck, I'd even throw money at some of the worse off people here if I had it to spare.

That being said, I'm not sure just how much conviction betraying would have to go down, exactly, or what kind. I'm not really into kicking babies.

These are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.

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Never. I spent the majority of my adult life working as a self-employed contractor, in part because I dont want to get into the corporate America system. Two of my other six jobs were small local businesses. The last time I worked for any major company was around 2008.

for $10 I have no convictions

King_Rial posted...

Somehow giving examples seemingly breaks this easy exercise for some of you? I don't know. But ignore the examples, and think of YOUR most deeply held convictions. If you are already doing that and still saying you'd betray them then...okay.

But for me? No. I couldn't. But I'm a lot simpler than others, I guess. A basic boy. Simple that is to say, in that my convictions revolve around not actively and intentionally harming innocents. I'd sooner inflict it upon myself than someone else. I'd rather redacted myself than harm someone else.

Pretty sure I covered that in my post. Going by a given example I could do it but in other cases I could not.

Like maybe the worst thing I would do for money where it was literally me doing it is running a company that was ripping people off. It's something I'm against but there is a nagging voice in the back of my head that says if people are stupid enough to keep falling for it fair game.

I mean for me personally it really comes down to a case by case basis. Like in the acab situation I can honestly say I could use that as an opportunity to change the system from within. I could still keep acab beliefs while trying to actively make it better by at least example if not by policy. I know any situation I was involved with I could be an advocate for civilians and do my best to not let the institution treat them poorly.

I then know that all the money I could make I could take millions and millions and institute local programs that could benefit an entire community and many families.

Honestly at that point you can say I'm doing more harm by NOT taking that job and that I'm being selfish.

This isn't me trying to find a loophole in a given scenario. I just legitimately believe that in many situations you could retain your convictions and end up doing way more good.

Like in the political example. If you lived in California you know for a fact Democrats will win anyway, so sure campaign for Republicans and then in turn take your million dollars a week and pour it into local elections and swing states and in areas where that money can make a difference and really turn things into a huge blue wave. You could end up having a huge impact politically and maybe help Democrats get control of both the House and Senate and start making real change.

Not taking this great opportunity when you know you are already in a situation where it simply doesn't matter would be a big missed opportunity. Someone could have strong convictions and leap at an opportunity like that.

Every example needs context and it will vary but I can easily see many scenarios where someone keeps their convictions while taking said job. When you could solve basically every single person's problems you know and do it with ease yeah there are a lot of situations I would say yes to and I think it would be the right choice.

I know people who fucking HATE the city council and everything they stood for. Basically an acab situation but city council and years later as an older adult ended up running for city council and are passionately involved even though they still fucking hate it because they are trying to change it from within. I don't view them as having betrayed their convictions.

I mean I couldn't work at a kill shelter for animals no how much money there was. There are definitely things I just flat out can't do. But could I be acab and a cop? Absolutely.

BrohammedAli posted...

that sounds like hell.

i have that same condition but i do agree with the statement.

King_Rial posted...

Somehow giving examples seemingly breaks this easy exercise for some of you? I don't know. But ignore the examples, and think of YOUR most deeply held convictions. If you are already doing that and still saying you'd betray them then...okay.

But for me? No. I couldn't. But I'm a lot simpler than others, I guess. A basic boy. Simple that is to say, in that my convictions revolve around not actively and intentionally harming innocents. I'd sooner inflict it upon myself than someone else. I'd rather redacted myself than harm someone else.

I can hold any conviction, but how true that conviction is only matched by how I live out that conviction. Helping out others is not the same as not killing someone we kill people all the time without our knowing. In the things we say, in what we use, and in what we do. We dont take responsibility for that and thats my biggest problem with the whole guilty by association trope. It just never fully pans out and or, the conviction is a half-hearted one that is two steps away from the one that actually will change the world.

In my mind, yeah, if some dope is playing the game and still getting an A+ for it then the problem isnt the actual machine and or factory.. the industry.. its the people who say we hold this as true.. those people are the ones that make me give up and say well, theres nuance to this kind of stuff

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Pretty sure I covered that in my post.

Okay. Good for you. I didn't mention you. I said some people.

KanWan posted...

we kill people all the time without our knowing.

Okay, but I literally said actively and intentionally.

King_Rial posted...

Okay, but I literally said actively and intentionally.

Fair, I just dont consider that a conviction as much as I consider it a normal state of the mind is all lol.