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Confidence is waning.

Well, it's a mistake they'll only get to make once...

The plan is working just as Netanyahu drew it up. The plan is contingent upon voters being dumb enough to think Trump would be better for Palestinians than Harris, but here we are.

You had confidence? Lucky.

I expect my fellow Americans to elect trump again. I doubt they disappoint.

ScazarMeltex posted...

If Arabs are dumb enough to vote for Trump they'll get exactly what they deserve for it. Problem is, everyone else who doesn't deserve it will get it also.

The only question is if more are voting for Trump or if more are just not voting at all so the already trump voting base is just a larger slice of the pie now

as I always say in topics that involve seemingly pro-palestine people supporting trump more than Kamala:

What the fuck is the goal here

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

What the fuck is the goal here

Spite.

No goals. Just petulance. Assuming the data is even reliable.

There are going to be a lot of leopards eating my face party posts about Muslim Trump voters if he wins, that's all I'll say.

Oh hey, more expecting Arab people to just vote for Harris, instead of pushing the administration to do the bare minimum and recognize an active genocide.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

as I always say in topics that involve seemingly pro-palestine people supporting trump more than Kamala:

What the fuck is the goal here

I can only imagine vengeance. These people have been wronged by the Biden administration. And they're upset. Deservedly so; and in their anger they cannot be objective.

I'm not going to necessarily blame them for feeling this way. We should have put a stop to Bibi ages ago.

LeTigre posted...

Oh hey, more expecting Arab people to just vote for Harris, instead of pushing the administration to do the bare minimum and recognize an active genocide.

Nobody in this topic is doing that.

Not voting for Harris is one thing. That does not mean one should support Trump instead. 2 wildly different things you are attempting to conflate here

Are Arab Americans really the only group in the country that contains people voting against their own interests?

Are they the determining factor in the election?

Or will they be the scapegoat if Trump wins?

LeTigre posted...

Oh hey, more expecting Arab people to just vote for Harris, instead of pushing the administration to do the bare minimum and recognize an active genocide.

These posts are pointless. Most common people recognize the genocide. Most people want it to stop. Most people should understand that Trump will not end the genocide, but Harris might.

That's all there is to it.

Cemith posted...

I can only imagine vengeance. These people have been wronged by the Biden administration. And they're upset. Deservedly so; and in their anger they cannot be objective.

I'm not going to necessarily blame them for feeling this way. We should have put a stop to Bibi ages ago.

They are not just making the lives of others worse with that though, they will actively be harming their own. Is vengeance towards others worth making your own life more risky and dangerous just to live in this country?

Trump is literally trying to deport legal haitians and we already know about his muslim bans.

I know this. I know all of this. I'm just explaining what makes sense to me why they're doing what they're doing.

If this genocide was happening under Trump they'd be in hurry to vote in his replacement too.

It makes no logical sense to think Trump will change things. But rage and spite don't make you logical.

ai123 posted...

Are Arab Americans really the only group in the country that contains people voting against their own interests?

No. Incidentally, most of the people voting against their interests are also supporting Trump. The Arab Americans are going to have to sit in the back of that particular bus, though, because the people they're supporting to spite the Democratic Party hate them.

ai123 posted...

Are they the determining factor in the election?

They represent a sizeable voting bloc in many of the swing states and the polls have this as a toss up, so maybe.

ai123 posted...

Or will they be the scapegoat if Trump wins?

They'll be among those blamed if they vote for a victorious Trump, yes. And rightly so. They'll be blamed again when Trump bans Muslim refugees, creates a Muslim American registry, deports pro-Palestinian protesters, ramps up military aid to Israel, and incites more death threats against the Squad. Again, rightly so.

So we had the Trump middle east travel ban under his term. Not really sure what the deal was with that, but people couldn't figure it out, including why those countries, since the none of the 9/11 terrorists hailed from these countries.

Like somebody else said, Trump is going to be Trump, but Harris might help. Trump will also be damaging to Arab Americans in other ways, such as this travel ban nobody knew why we "needed"

darkace77450 posted...

No. Incidentally, most of the people voting against their interests are also supporting Trump. The Arab Americans are going to have to sit in the back of that particular bus, though, because the people they're supporting to spite the Democratic Party hate them.

There are women voting Trump, black people voting Trump, even LGBT people voting Trump. The Republican Party is no friend to those groups either.

Yet the Arab Americans seem to be singled out for particular criticism. As if their reasons for not voting Democrat were somehow worse.

ai123 posted...

There are women voting Trump, black people voting Trump, even LGBT people voting Trump. The Republican Party is no friend to those groups either.

Yet the Arab Americans seem to be singled out for particular criticism. As if their reasons for not voting Democrat were somehow worse.

Why do you think that is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDcbpFimUc8

ai123 posted...

There are women voting Trump, black people voting Trump, even LGBT people voting Trump. The Republican Party is no friend to those groups either.

Yet the Arab Americans seem to be singled out for particular criticism. As if their reasons for not voting Democrat were somehow worse.

They aren't being singled out. You're overlooking all the criticism conservative women have received since Roe was trashed and all the criticism groups like Log Cabin Republicans and Cuban voters have received for supporting Trump.

Edit: The spotlight is intense on them because they live in swing states, meaning their votes carry more weight than, say, the Log Cabin Republicans in Texas who are appalled when the party they support releases a platform stating they want to ban gay marriage. When the balance of the election might very well rest in your hands, the stakes shift from Face-Eating Leopard memes to democracy as we know it might end.

LeTigre posted...

Oh hey, more expecting Arab people to just vote for Harris, instead of pushing the administration to do the bare minimum and recognize an active genocide.

I don't blame Arab Americans for being discouraged from voting.

I question if they turn around and vote for someone who thinks Israel isn't being aggressive enough

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

as I always say in topics that involve seemingly pro-palestine people supporting trump more than Kamala:

What the fuck is the goal here

Ive explained this several times, but the goal is to put political pressure on the Democrats to take some action against Israel, or at the very least to wane military support. If you dont understand this then at a very basic level you dont understand politics.

At this point it comes down to if support in other demos can make up for losing a portion of Arab American support at the polls. We know there are conservative Muslims, and we would need to know where the individuals this poll called are located, if it's predominantly swing states or everywhere.

I really hate people. And if Trump wins and he goes after everyone he doesn't like, I am just going to remind those voters that this is what they voted for.

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I mean, I guess we can think that large portions of this demographic are idiots.

feels like itd be more productive to brainstorm how the Democrats are seemingly unable to carry such an easy and obvious victory, tho.

LeTigre posted...

Oh hey, more expecting Arab people to just vote for Harris, instead of pushing the administration to do the bare minimum and recognize an active genocide.

Oh look, someone who forgot that Trump did this and is owned by pro-Israel Christan evangelicals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44120428

FunWithAFryPan posted...

Ive explained this several times, but the goal is to put political pressure on the Democrats to take some action against Israel, or at the very least to wane military support. If you dont understand this then at a very basic level you dont understand politics.

again, not voting for harris should not translate into voting for the absolute worst option. Converting potential harris to non-voters because they are unhappy with her palestine stance does NOT mean flipping support to the opposition which will be worse in every way.

So they explicitly begin supporting and voting trump and he wins.and now these people get deported because leverage? Weve gone from its okay to not vote at all because of frustration (valid) to its okay to vote trump because frustration (insane and not valid)

Please explain how voting for trump is the correct option for any person living in this country, especially someone who cares about palestine and the treatment of minorities as a whole.

Berniebros that voted for Trump in 2016 shall always be remembered for their sins

ooger posted...

Oh look, someone who forgot that Trump did this and is owned by pro-Israel Christan evangelicals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44120428

Weird, seems to be that Im arguing we should actually address our Gaza policy and not that Trump is anything other an a fascist with terrible policy.

I'm, uh, fairly certain that 9/11 had a larger effect on Arab-American voting behavior than the war in Gaza

LeTigre posted...

Weird, seems to be that Im arguing we should actually address our Gaza policy and not that Trump is anything other an a fascist with terrible policy.

Weird, Trump would absolutely not address Gaza at all because this is what his supporters want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ

If Democrats lose MI due to Arab voters turning to Trump...I'm not sure that's going to get the party to listen to them much again.

These arent votes for Trump, these are people saying theyd vote for Trump if they dont get what they want.

Think of it this way. Which of the two candidates is more likely to be swayed to take humanitarian action in Palestine and back off support for Israels heinous war crimes? If I wanted something and had the opportunity (or wanted to create such an opportunity) to put political pressure on a candidate, wouldnt I do something like this? Make a show about withholding my vote to apply that pressure?

Ive explained this before too with Biden, but it applies to Harris as well. Im sure shes done the math, if she really thinks she needs these votes shed do more to earn them. If she doesnt, she wont. That is a political reality that I think some of you dont understand.

This doesnt even consider other reasons they may have. Perhaps they are anti- Semitic and they are swayed by an anti-Semitic Republican Party. Perhaps theyre anti-abortion. Perhaps they prefer more conservative fiscal policy. I have no idea, but surely many of these Arab American voters are motivated by things other than a war halfway across the world. Political parties are not entitled to categorical support from any given bloc of voters, despite what you may think. Kinda racist to assume that just because someone is of Arab descent that the only motivating factor for them in an election is violence in the Middle East.

ooger posted...

Weird, Trump would absolutely not address Gaza at all because this is what his supporters want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ

Yes, Trump is horrific. That is not a gotcha.

How bad is the Democratic Party currently failing at courting the Arab-American community that almost 50% of them still would rather vote for the guy who would glass the Middle East?

Apparently they've only been a voting block since around 2018 because before that they had low turn out. I think Michigan will depend on turn out from other groups.

LeTigre posted...

Yes, Trump is horrific. That is not a gotcha.

How bad is the Democratic Party currently failing at courting the Arab-American community that almost 50% of them still would rather vote for the guy who would glass the Middle East?

That is what we call "willful ignorance".

ooger posted...

That is what we call "willful ignorance".

so youre saying the issue isnt the Democrats failing to sway a demographic, its actually the demographics fault.

that feelsproblematic.

Only Democrats get to threaten others with the prospect of Trump being president again.

LeTigre posted...

so youre saying the issue isnt the Democrats failing to sway a demographic, its actually the demographics fault.

that feelsproblematic.

Nah, I'm saying if you don't understand that Trump would greatly accelerate the destruction of Gaza, you are ignorant.

LeTigre posted...

so youre saying the issue isnt the Democrats failing to sway a demographic, its actually the demographics fault.

that feelsproblematic.

Any demographic that threatens to vote for Trump (i.e. a significant fraction) over any issue is already a problem.

Any demographic that actually follows through on that shit is no longer worth the time of any civilized person

ScazarMeltex posted...

If Arabs are dumb enough to vote for Trump they'll get exactly what they deserve for it.

If the Democrats are dumb enough to piss away the election by continuing to arm and fund the Israeli regime's genocide, contrary to both their own electoral self-interest and any sane standard of morality, the country will get exactly what it doesn't deserve, thanks to its leaders' arrogance, stubbornness and racism.

ooger posted...

Nah, I'm saying if you don't understand that Trump would greatly accelerate the destruction of Gaza, you are ignorant.

That doesn't change the fact that Biden is accelerating the destruction of Gaza right now. "Not quite as genocide-enabling as Trump would be" isn't fucking good enough.

Oh boy this person again.

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They're much worse than that - they're given billions of dollars in weapons and cash to the regime that's committing the genocide. I repeat: "not quite as genocide-enabling as Trump would be" isn't fucking good enough.