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Humble_Novice 12/04/24 4:53:21 PM #1:	It seems that Sanders has a habit of attracting people who would go on to despise the Democratic party in their present careers. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d5cce21f.jpg <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:983180148] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>It seems that Sanders has a habit of attracting people who would go on to despise the Democratic party in their present careers.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d5cce21f.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 12/04/24 4:57:45 PM #2:	Because he's an anti-establishment candidate, which Trump is viewed as. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:983180194] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Because he's an anti-establishment candidate, which Trump is viewed as. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/04/24 5:00:58 PM #3:	People like Abshir Omar seem like unprincipled clowns if they can so effortlessly go from Bernie to MAGA like that. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:983180230] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>People like Abshir Omar seem like unprincipled clowns if they can so effortlessly go from Bernie to MAGA like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 12/04/24 5:03:53 PM #4:	A_Good_Boy posted... People like Abshir Omar seem like unprincipled clowns if they can so effortlessly go from Bernie to MAGA like that. It seems that Sanders can't help but attract these types of people who would go on to be grifters. Look at Briahna Joy Gray and Tulsi Gabbard for instance. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:983180261] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite><quote>People like Abshir Omar seem like unprincipled clowns if they can so effortlessly go from Bernie to MAGA like that.</quote>It seems that Sanders can't help but attract these types of people who would go on to be grifters. Look at Briahna Joy Gray and Tulsi Gabbard for instance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 12/04/24 5:05:19 PM #5:	from what i see, not even dems like bernie --- We suffer from the delusion that the entire universe is held in order by the categories of human thought. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:983180285] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>from what i see, not even dems like bernie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bsp77 12/04/24 5:08:41 PM #6:	He is a populist --- Currently playing - Spider-Man 2 <cite>bsp77 posted [p:983180330] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>He is a populist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaikyoStyle 12/04/24 5:09:41 PM #7:	Nukazie posted... from what i see, not even dems like bernie They dont like anyone who opposes neoliberalism. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Vetinari 2028. Make Ankh-Morpork Great Again! <cite>SaikyoStyle posted [p:983180341] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Nukazie posted... </cite><quote>from what i see, not even dems like bernie</quote>They dont like anyone who opposes neoliberalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 12/04/24 5:13:40 PM #8:	bsp77 posted... He is a populist I get it but I don't really seem to view the things bernie sanders say and trump say equally even if they have populist messaging. Sanders is on board with eat the rich and wants liveable wages and healthcare for all. Trump doesn't message in the same way, and this is partly my fault for never really listening to more than a minute of him speaking this election, his messaging isn't very clear on most things to the point I can't even say what it is outside of punishing other countries and immigration. If the idea of an outsider or populist is so appealing to some(which, I've voted Bernie in multiple primaries), why does it seem like at a point, what they say doesn't matter, just that "it's populist" or "outsider" <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:983180396] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>bsp77 posted... </cite><quote>He is a populist</quote>I get it but I don't really seem to view the things bernie sanders say and trump say equally even if they have populist messaging.Sanders is on board with eat the rich and wants liveable wages and healthcare for all. Trump doesn't message in the same way, and this is partly my fault for never really listening to more than a minute of him speaking this election, his messaging isn't very clear on most things to the point I can't even say what it is outside of punishing other countries and immigration.If the idea of an outsider or populist is so appealing to some(which, I've voted Bernie in multiple primaries), why does it seem like at a point, what they say doesn't matter, just that "it's populist" or "outsider"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 5:14:55 PM #9:	SaikyoStyle posted... They dont like anyone who opposes neoliberalism. Define neoliberalism because it sure as fuck doesn't match almost every Democrat in office except maybe Manchin and Sinema --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983180412] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>SaikyoStyle posted... </cite><quote>They dont like anyone who opposes neoliberalism.</quote>Define neoliberalism because it sure as fuck doesn't match almost every Democrat in office except maybe Manchin and Sinema</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 12/04/24 5:23:21 PM #10:	bernie is genuine in his beliefs and does want the DNC to do better the problem is he is very out of touch with modern times so he its easy for grifters to slip into his campain and its easy for him to say things that the right wing media can spin in their favor all this makes it easy for the SMALL LESS THAN 1% of his supporters to be conned into just not voting and unfortunately that less than 1% effected things in 2016 and again THIS IS A TINY FRACTION OF HIS SUPPORTERS AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT BUT THE MEDIA TWISTING THINGS --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:983180495] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>bernie is genuine in his beliefs and does want the DNC to do betterthe problem is he is very out of touch with modern timesso he its easy for grifters to slip into his campainand its easy for him to say things that the right wing media can spin in their favor all this makes it easy for the SMALL LESS THAN 1% of his supporters to be conned into just not voting and unfortunately that less than 1% effected things in 2016and again THIS IS A TINY FRACTION OF HIS SUPPORTERS AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT BUT THE MEDIA TWISTING THINGS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 5:26:41 PM #11:	AceMos posted... bernie is genuine in his beliefs and does want the DNC to do better the problem is he is very out of touch with modern times so he its easy for grifters to slip into his campain and its easy for him to say things that the right wing media can spin in their favor all this makes it easy for the SMALL LESS THAN 1% of his supporters to be conned into just not voting and unfortunately that less than 1% effected things in 2016 and again THIS IS A TINY FRACTION OF HIS SUPPORTERS AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT BUT THE MEDIA TWISTING THINGS Seems a little less genuine when the party puts Bernie in charge of outreach, makes him Chairman of the Budget Committee and runs down a Sanders policy checklist during Biden's presidency he is intimately involved in shaping only for him to screech they're the villains regardless. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983180533] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>bernie is genuine in his beliefs and does want the DNC to do betterthe problem is he is very out of touch with modern timesso he its easy for grifters to slip into his campainand its easy for him to say things that the right wing media can spin in their favorall this makes it easy for the SMALL LESS THAN 1% of his supporters to be conned into just not votingand unfortunately that less than 1% effected things in 2016and again THIS IS A TINY FRACTION OF HIS SUPPORTERS AND ITS NOT HIS FAULT BUT THE MEDIA TWISTING THINGS</quote>Seems a little less genuine when the party puts Bernie in charge of outreach, makes him Chairman of the Budget Committee and runs down a Sanders policy checklist during Biden's presidency he is intimately involved in shaping only for him to screech they're the villains regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 12/04/24 5:39:45 PM #12:	LightSnake posted... Define neoliberalism because it sure as fuck doesn't match almost every Democrat in office except maybe Manchin and Sinema "Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy, but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society." "It is a crucial modification of the older belief in a free market and a minimal state, known as classical liberalism. In classical liberalism, merchants simply asked the state to leave us alone to laissez-nous faire. Neoliberalism recognised that the state must be active in the organisation of a market economy. The conditions allowing for a free market must be won politically, and the state must be re-engineered to support the free market on an ongoing basis. That isnt all: every aspect of democratic politics, from the choices of voters to the decisions of politicians, must be submitted to a purely economic analysis. The lawmaker is obliged to leave well enough alone to not distort the natural actions of the marketplace and so, ideally, the state provides a fixed, neutral, universal legal framework within which market forces operate spontaneously. The conscious direction of government is never preferable to the automatic mechanism of adjustment ie the price system, which is not only efficient but maximises liberty, or the opportunity for men and women to make free choices about their own lives." It doesn't have to be pure Ayn Rand stuff, there can be regulations, but all in favor of propping up the market and considering the market the basic unit of society and society is run for the benefit of the market from the individual, all the way up to the federal government, the banks, the military etc. You seem to have an incredibly restrictive definition that excludes Obama, Clinton before the midterms, etc. What I just quoted is absolutely what damn near every elected Democrat believes, some more than others. When Dems have supported school vouchers, privatizing public services, propping up the private healthcare system, destructive free trade, austerity, deregulation, etc, they were being neoliberal. When the conversation is no longer about the ownership and distribution of necessary resources and goods, but instead about individual competitiveness and "access to opportunity," that's neoliberalism. From the 70s until around 2020, that was the dominant strain of the party and that is only just now beginning to change, in fits and starts. And the party is already threatening to renege on it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:983180668] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Define neoliberalism because it sure as fuck doesn't match almost every Democrat in office except maybe Manchin and Sinema</quote>"Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy, but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society.""It is a crucial modification of the older belief in a free market and a minimal state, known as classical liberalism. In classical liberalism, merchants simply asked the state to leave us alone to laissez-nous faire. Neoliberalism recognised that the state must be active in the organisation of a market economy. The conditions allowing for a free market must be won politically, and the state must be re-engineered to support the free market on an ongoing basis.That isnt all: every aspect of democratic politics, from the choices of voters to the decisions of politicians, must be submitted to a purely economic analysis. The lawmaker is obliged to leave well enough alone to not distort the natural actions of the marketplace and so, ideally, the state provides a fixed, neutral, universal legal framework within which market forces operate spontaneously. The conscious direction of government is never preferable to the automatic mechanism of adjustment ie the price system, which is not only efficient but maximises liberty, or the opportunity for men and women to make free choices about their own lives."It doesn't have to be pure Ayn Rand stuff, there can be regulations, but all in favor of propping up the market and considering the market the basic unit of society and society is run for the benefit of the market from the individual, all the way up to the federal government, the banks, the military etc. You seem to have an incredibly restrictive definition that excludes Obama, Clinton before the midterms, etc. What I just quoted is absolutely what damn near every elected Democrat believes, some more than others. When Dems have supported school vouchers, privatizing public services, propping up the private healthcare system, destructive free trade, austerity, deregulation, etc, they were being neoliberal. When the conversation is no longer about the ownership and distribution of necessary resources and goods, but instead about individual competitiveness and "access to opportunity," that's neoliberalism. From the 70s until around 2020, that was the dominant strain of the party and that is only just now beginning to change, in fits and starts. And the party is already threatening to renege on it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 5:45:08 PM #13:	And therein lies the issue people decide "Liberal" and "Neolineral" are synonymous, hence the ""from 1970s to 2020 they were being NEOLIBERAL" even though that describes very little of Biden's presidency whihc included regulation, expansion of government run services... Ditto with the remainder of the party where regulation and social services with raising taxes have been a feature of every Democrat since Carter. It's why people online just make "Neoliberal" into "something I don't like.' You could argue it defined apects of Clinton's presidency (which it did, even if it's more complicated), but a lot of it died out in 2008. That's why they had to stretch to go "uh, anything having to do with capitalism is neoliberal" to blur the distinction between that and plain liberalism. You're right, I do exclude most of Obama's presidency, because his presidency was defined by bills that regulated previously unregulated industries, provided massive amounts of government services an government run healthcre, and raised taxes on the wealthy to pay for it. Obama was a standard liberal, not a neoliberal. Which leads to a broader issue: most people don't know what "neoliberal means." and they don't care. And that includes most congresspeople, hence why Sanders' supporters screaming it all through 2016 just got old real fast --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983180733] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>And therein lies the issue people decide "Liberal" and "Neolineral" are synonymous, hence the ""from 1970s to 2020 they were being NEOLIBERAL" even though that describes very little of Biden's presidency whihc included regulation, expansion of government run services...Ditto with the remainder of the party where regulation and social services with raising taxes have been a feature of every Democrat since Carter. It's why people online just make "Neoliberal" into "something I don't like.' You could argue it defined apects of Clinton's presidency (which it did, even if it's more complicated), but a lot of it died out in 2008. That's why they had to stretch to go "uh, anything having to do with capitalism is neoliberal" to blur the distinction between that and plain liberalism. You're right, I do exclude most of Obama's presidency, because his presidency was defined by bills that regulated previously unregulated industries, provided massive amounts of government services an government run healthcre, and raised taxes on the wealthy to pay for it. Obama was a standard liberal, not a neoliberal.Which leads to a broader issue: most people don't know what "neoliberal means." and they don't care. And that includes most congresspeople, hence why Sanders' supporters screaming it all through 2016 just got old real fast</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sfcalimari 12/04/24 5:53:58 PM #14:	It's a fact that Russia and the GOP co-opted Bernie to divide the left against itself in 2016. The same set of grifters who helped out with this helped depress Democratic votes for Kamala. --- "Tether even a roasted chicken." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo <cite>sfcalimari posted [p:983180845] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>It's a fact that Russia and the GOP co-opted Bernie to divide the left against itself in 2016. The same set of grifters who helped out with this helped depress Democratic votes for Kamala.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 12/04/24 5:57:45 PM #15:	sfcalimari posted... It's a fact that Russia and the GOP co-opted Bernie to divide the left against itself in 2016. The same set of grifters who helped out with this helped depress Democratic votes for Kamala. Very true, and the same people who fell for it refuse to admit they got hoodwinked. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:983180878] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>sfcalimari posted... </cite><quote>It's a fact that Russia and the GOP co-opted Bernie to divide the left against itself in 2016. The same set of grifters who helped out with this helped depress Democratic votes for Kamala.</quote>Very true, and the same people who fell for it refuse to admit they got hoodwinked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amakusa 12/04/24 6:25:04 PM #16:	Doe posted... Because he's an anti-establishment candidate, which Trump is viewed as. More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money. --- I will rule the world, and find that truly good cup of coffee. <cite>Amakusa posted [p:983181215] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>Because he's an anti-establishment candidate, which Trump is viewed as.</quote>More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 12/04/24 6:35:33 PM #17:	Amakusa posted... More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money. He also plays along with Democrats just enough to keep his Senate seat safe from organized D opposition. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:983181332] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Amakusa posted... </cite><quote>More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money.</quote>He also plays along with Democrats just enough to keep his Senate seat safe from organized D opposition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/04/24 6:37:36 PM #18:	There are a lot of people whose politics are not particularly well informed, and who are motivated by petty personal animosities, vibes, and other forces that we who spend all day talking about politics find silly. There's a term for these kinds of people: median voters. --- Please don't be weird in my topics <cite>Antifar posted [p:983181350] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>There are a lot of people whose politics are not particularly well informed, and who are motivated by petty personal animosities, vibes, and other forces that we who spend all day talking about politics find silly. There's a term for these kinds of people: median voters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/04/24 6:38:45 PM #19:	Amakusa posted... More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money. or he's in the democrat party because there's no real alternative? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:983181355] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Amakusa posted... </cite><quote>More to the point, Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat. He's in the Democratic Party for their money.</quote>or he's in the democrat party because there's no real alternative?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 6:44:04 PM #20:	thronedfire2 posted... or he's in the democrat party because there's no real alternative? Sanders repeatedly runs in the Democratic Vemront primary and then declines the nom --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181421] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>or he's in the democrat party because there's no real alternative?</quote>Sanders repeatedly runs in the Democratic Vemront primary and then declines the nom</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kain_Highwind 12/04/24 6:44:55 PM #21:	Humble_Novice posted... Very true, and the same people who fell for it refuse to admit they got hoodwinked. Bernie is a Russian accent only on CE --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie <cite>Kain_Highwind posted [p:983181429] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>Very true, and the same people who fell for it refuse to admit they got hoodwinked.</quote>Bernie is a Russian accentonly on CE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 6:46:52 PM #22:	Kain_Highwind posted... Bernie is a Russian accent only on CE This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dk Nobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181444] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Kain_Highwind posted... </cite><quote>Bernie is a Russian accentonly on CE</quote>This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dkNobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/04/24 6:49:40 PM #23:	LightSnake posted... Sanders repeatedly runs in the Democratic Vemront primary and then declines the nom you mean for presidential elections? running in the primary does no harm as long as he's genuine. Having more primary candidates would actually be good, because it would allow different points of view to get more attention. It's not like the republicans like RFK Jr who ran as Dems and then suddenly became republicans as soon as they realized they'd benefit by endorsing Trump --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:983181471] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Sanders repeatedly runs in the Democratic Vemront primary and then declines the nom</quote>you mean for presidential elections?running in the primary does no harm as long as he's genuine. Having more primary candidates would actually be good, because it would allow different points of view to get more attention. It's not like the republicans like RFK Jr who ran as Dems and then suddenly became republicans as soon as they realized they'd benefit by endorsing Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kain_Highwind 12/04/24 6:49:59 PM #24:	LightSnake posted... This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dk Nobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge Washington Compost Owned by Bezos - one of the people that hates Bernie the most --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie <cite>Kain_Highwind posted [p:983181474] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dkNobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge</quote>Washington CompostOwned by Bezos - one of the people that hates Bernie the most</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 7:03:25 PM #25:	thronedfire2 posted... you mean for presidential elections? running in the primary does no harm as long as he's genuine. Having more primary candidates would actually be good, because it would allow different points of view to get more attention. It's not like the republicans like RFK Jr who ran as Dems and then suddenly became republicans as soon as they realized they'd benefit by endorsing Trump No, in the Senate primaries. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181626] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>you mean for presidential elections?running in the primary does no harm as long as he's genuine. Having more primary candidates would actually be good, because it would allow different points of view to get more attention. It's not like the republicans like RFK Jr who ran as Dems and then suddenly became republicans as soon as they realized they'd benefit by endorsing Trump</quote>No, in the Senate primaries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 7:04:37 PM #26:	Kain_Highwind posted... Washington Compost Owned by Bezos - one of the people that hates Bernie the most This is pathetic. Sanders even admitted it himself: Sanders told reporters Friday after The Posts report was published that he received the briefing about a month ago. Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I dont reveal to the public. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181638] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Kain_Highwind posted... </cite><quote>Washington CompostOwned by Bezos - one of the people that hates Bernie the most</quote>This is pathetic. Sanders even admitted it himself:<quote>Sanders told reporters Friday after The Posts report was published that he received the briefing about a month ago. Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, Because I go to many intelligence briefings which I dont reveal to the public.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/04/24 7:08:20 PM #27:	LightSnake posted... This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dk Nobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge Russia used literally every campaign as a way to spread disinformation. That's how propaganda wars work. They don't only argue for one camp, they argue for everyone to create chaos. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:983181676] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>This was literally reported on nationaly. https://tinyurl.com/465wn7dkNobody said "Bernie is a Russian asset," but Russian disinformation absolutely used his campaign as a wedge</quote>Russia used literally every campaign as a way to spread disinformation. That's how propaganda wars work. They don't only argue for one camp, they argue for everyone to create chaos. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 7:18:35 PM #28:	thronedfire2 posted... Russia used literally every campaign as a way to spread disinformation. That's how propaganda wars work. They don't only argue for one camp, they argue for everyone to create chaos. When Sanders first found out, he didn't do anything about it. A whistleblower in the campaign was the one to contact and warn the Clinton campaign --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181774] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>Russia used literally every campaign as a way to spread disinformation. That's how propaganda wars work. They don't only argue for one camp, they argue for everyone to create chaos.</quote>When Sanders first found out, he didn't do anything about it. A whistleblower in the campaign was the one to contact and warn the Clinton campaign</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/04/24 7:23:07 PM #29:	LightSnake posted... When Sanders first found out, he didn't do anything about it. A whistleblower in the campaign was the one to contact and warn the Clinton campaign yeah, and the Clinton campaign pointed out that Russia was influencing the election. how well did that work out? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:983181818] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>When Sanders first found out, he didn't do anything about it. A whistleblower in the campaign was the one to contact and warn the Clinton campaign</quote>yeah, and the Clinton campaign pointed out that Russia was influencing the election.how well did that work out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 7:32:09 PM #30:	thronedfire2 posted... yeah, and the Clinton campaign pointed out that Russia was influencing the election. how well did that work out? How on earth does that excuse knowing a foreign entity is using you to influence the election and staying quiet about it to the person they're working against? --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983181922] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite><quote>yeah, and the Clinton campaign pointed out that Russia was influencing the election.how well did that work out?</quote>How on earth does that excuse knowing a foreign entity is using you to influence the election and staying quiet about it to the person they're working against? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 12/04/24 7:35:28 PM #31:	I liked him and his policies when he was going up against Clinton and Trump. But these days I just consider him a spineless pussy who needs to shut up. He just grandstands with nothing to show for it. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:983181957] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>I liked him and his policies when he was going up against Clinton and Trump. But these days I just consider him a spineless pussy who needs to shut up. He just grandstands with nothing to show for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kain_Highwind 12/04/24 7:36:38 PM #32:	LonelyStoner posted... I liked him and his policies when he was going up against Clinton and Trump. But these days I just consider him a spineless pussy who needs to shut up. He just grandstands with nothing to show for it. lol --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie <cite>Kain_Highwind posted [p:983181972] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LonelyStoner posted... </cite><quote>I liked him and his policies when he was going up against Clinton and Trump. But these days I just consider him a spineless pussy who needs to shut up. He just grandstands with nothing to show for it.</quote>lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 12/04/24 7:37:03 PM #33:	Kain_Highwind posted... Bernie is a Russian accent only on CE --- The succotash is suffering. Comic Artist <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:983181977] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Kain_Highwind posted... </cite><quote>Bernie is a Russian accentonly on CE</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 12/04/24 7:38:08 PM #34:	LightSnake posted... This is pathetic. Sanders even admitted it himself: Looks like he's not bothering to respond. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:983181992] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>This is pathetic. Sanders even admitted it himself:</quote>Looks like he's not bothering to respond.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Board_hunter567 12/04/24 7:53:33 PM #35:	It's because Bernie is evil and bad! Or it might be systematic fuck ups by the Democrats which managed to turn a Somalian refugee (who volunteered for Obama in '08) against them. But it's probably because Bernie is actually a Russian asset! --- http://i.imgur.com/szMsu.png Validate your purchases and discredit the purchases of others whenever possible. Numbers objectively define quality and enjoyment. <cite>Board_hunter567 posted [p:983182129] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>It's because Bernie is evil and bad!Or it might be systematic fuck ups by the Democrats which managed to turn a Somalian refugee (who volunteered for Obama in '08) against them.But it's probably because Bernie is actually a Russian asset!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 8:13:02 PM #36:	Board_hunter567 posted... It's because Bernie is evil and bad! Or it might be systematic fuck ups by the Democrats which managed to turn a Somalian refugee (who volunteered for Obama in '08) against them. But it's probably because Bernie is actually a Russian asset! Or maybe he's just arrogant and bitter? Nobody thinks he's "evil," but his behavior can suck sometimes. That's human. And oh hey, I looked up Abshir Omar and he was mad that a drone strike killed his brother under Obama. His brother was a member of al-Shabaab, so forgive me if I don't quite see this as an arch-sin. But hey, here's a quote on Omar: He said Somali American social, cultural and religious values align with the GOP, but most of them voted for Democrats out of concern that the GOP was rooted in racism and more hawkish on war. Now, he said, Republicans are doing more outreach and many in his community disagree with Democrats on foreign policy. The Democrats are going to come in for a rude awakening, he said. In other words, the guy agrees with the GOP about abortion, LGBT people and women. Explain to me how we fix that. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983182348] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Board_hunter567 posted... </cite><quote>It's because Bernie is evil and bad!Or it might be systematic fuck ups by the Democrats which managed to turn a Somalian refugee (who volunteered for Obama in '08) against them.But it's probably because Bernie is actually a Russian asset!</quote>Or maybe he's just arrogant and bitter? Nobody thinks he's "evil," but his behavior can suck sometimes. That's human.And oh hey, I looked up Abshir Omar and he was mad that a drone strike killed his brother under Obama. His brother was a member of al-Shabaab, so forgive me if I don't quite see this as an arch-sin.But hey, here's a quote on Omar:<quote>He said Somali American social, cultural and religious values align with the GOP, but most of them voted for Democrats out of concern that the GOP was rooted in racism and more hawkish on war. Now, he said, Republicans are doing more outreach and many in his community disagree with Democrats on foreign policy. The Democrats are going to come in for a rude awakening, he said.</quote>In other words, the guy agrees with the GOP about abortion, LGBT people and women. Explain to me how we fix that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Board_hunter567 12/04/24 8:29:36 PM #37:	LightSnake posted... Or maybe he's just arrogant and bitter? Nobody thinks he's "evil," but his behavior can suck sometimes. That's human. He should just fall in line, because that's been working out great for the party. Or maybe it's his behavior that's the sole reason why the party is floundering, which is an argument you can make if you want. And oh hey, I looked up Abshir Omar and he was mad that a drone strike killed his brother under Obama. His brother was a member of al-Shabaab, so forgive me if I don't quite see this as an arch-sin. I saw the part about the drone strike from the Star Tribune, not seeing the part about al-Shabaab. But hey, here's a quote on Omar: In other words, the guy agrees with the GOP about abortion, LGBT people and women. Explain to me how we fix that. He seemed pretty jazzed about Bernie, who does not agree with the GOP on those things. But I get what you're getting at, Democrats may as well try jettisoning all Muslim support. --- http://i.imgur.com/szMsu.png Validate your purchases and discredit the purchases of others whenever possible. Numbers objectively define quality and enjoyment. <cite>Board_hunter567 posted [p:983182563] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>LightSnake posted... </cite><quote>Or maybe he's just arrogant and bitter? Nobody thinks he's "evil," but his behavior can suck sometimes. That's human.</quote>He should just fall in line, because that's been working out great for the party. Or maybe it's his behavior that's the sole reason why the party is floundering, which is an argument you can make if you want. <quote>And oh hey, I looked up Abshir Omar and he was mad that a drone strike killed his brother under Obama. His brother was a member of al-Shabaab, so forgive me if I don't quite see this as an arch-sin.</quote>I saw the part about the drone strike from the Star Tribune, not seeing the part about al-Shabaab.<quote>But hey, here's a quote on Omar:In other words, the guy agrees with the GOP about abortion, LGBT people and women. Explain to me how we fix that.</quote>He seemed pretty jazzed about Bernie, who does not agree with the GOP on those things. But I get what you're getting at, Democrats may as well try jettisoning all Muslim support.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 12/04/24 8:49:51 PM #38:	Board_hunter567 posted... He should just fall in line, because that's been working out great for the party. Or maybe it's his behavior that's the sole reason why the party is floundering, which is an argument you can make if you want. You can simply not strawman. Maybe he can stop being hypocritical, like avowing himself of all party resources when it benefits him while acting like he's a perpetual underdog despite having had massive influence for years now. Every single time he's given a position or support, he immediately uses it to trash his colleagues. I saw the part about the drone strike from the Star Tribune, not seeing the part about al-Shabaab unless that's from a different piece. Yeah, did some digging there. He seemed pretty jazzed about Bernie, who does not agree with the GOP on those things. But I get what you're getting at, Democrats may as well try continuing to jettison all Muslim support to appease anti-immigration attitude. We're not sacrificing support for abortion and LGBT rights, that's just not gonna happen. Liberal and leftist members of the Somali and Arab communities exist. We're not capitulating to religious extremists --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983182817] in How Did Be... [t:80896210]...</cite> <quote>Board_hunter567 posted... </cite><quote>He should just fall in line, because that's been working out great for the party. Or maybe it's his behavior that's the sole reason why the party is floundering, which is an argument you can make if you want. </quote>You can simply not strawman. Maybe he can stop being hypocritical, like avowing himself of all party resources when it benefits him while acting like he's a perpetual underdog despite having had massive influence for years now. Every single time he's given a position or support, he immediately uses it to trash his colleagues.<quote>I saw the part about the drone strike from the Star Tribune, not seeing the part about al-Shabaab unless that's from a different piece.</quote>Yeah, did some digging there. <quote>He seemed pretty jazzed about Bernie, who does not agree with the GOP on those things. But I get what you're getting at, Democrats may as well try continuing to jettison all Muslim support to appease anti-immigration attitude.</quote>We're not sacrificing support for abortion and LGBT rights, that's just not gonna happen. Liberal and leftist members of the Somali and Arab communities exist. We're not capitulating to religious extremists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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