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LightSnake
01/21/25 1:27:27 PM
#204:


Westernwolf4 posted...
Fully agree. Every time I hear that here or out in the world, I try to contest it. Both parties have flaws, but one has flaws like every political party in history and the other one is a bad faith entity full of criminals and those enabling criminals. They are not remotely the same.

The problem, as you know, is that part of the GOP propaganda blast since the 80s has been to convince people that all politicians and political institutions are bad in order to reduce their own accountability and increase voter apathy Everyone does it has been the first line of the GOP deflection playbook for decades.

Now, by design, huge swaths of voters think same thing both sides is actually real, and continue to think so no matter how much the GOP push the boundaries. Undoing that mentality is going to be hard. If seeing a coup attempt unfold on live TV isnt sufficient for people to get it, I dont know what can be said to make voters understand.

When Democrat are in office, you get fuck ups, but you get good (but not perfect) policy to go along with it. With Republicans, you see any progress shot in the throat.

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 1:27:29 PM
#205:


Tom_Joad posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

Here's a hint, the civil-rights movement was successful BECAUSE they confronted people like Trump!

see the problem is they don't actually care they just want to say dems suck
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Humble_Novice
01/21/25 1:28:34 PM
#206:


LightSnake posted...
Have you been noticing that Trump's supporters have not been so concerned about economics since his election?

I know your view is "just be socialist and everyone will vote for you" but that's been strongly not bearing out. Economic programs that amounted to free money for being there with no work requirements were unpopular even with people who were receiving them.
This idea that Trump supporters will magically become leftists after getting a taste of socialism for the first time really needs to die. Not only is it naive and stupid, it also infantilizes a group of people that willingly voted for a known conman whose nastiness had been shown to the public for almost a decade.

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Westernwolf4
01/21/25 1:28:34 PM
#207:


LightSnake posted...
When Democrat are in office, you get fuck ups, but you get good (but not perfect) policy to go along with it. With Republicans, you see any progress shot in the throat.

This-a much better summary of my rambling post.


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Kain_Highwind
01/21/25 1:28:56 PM
#208:


Tom_Joad posted...
So your a guy that would say the Selma to Montgomery marches and the whole civil-rights movement shouldn't have been in the South, because Alabama Governor George Wallace was a die hard segregationist.

And protesting him would have been...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches

Here's a hint, the civil-rights movement was successful BECAUSE they confronted people like Trump!
LBJ is very very different from Trump

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ssb_yunglink2
01/21/25 1:29:38 PM
#209:


was so funny how people were unironically saying shit like its not like it could get worse

well. Its gonna get worse.

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 1:29:46 PM
#210:


like clockwork
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LightSnake
01/21/25 1:31:09 PM
#211:


Kain_Highwind posted...
LBJ is very very different from Trump

My dear boy, LBJ voted no to literally every Civil Rights piece of legislation while he was in Congress. He voted for Taft-Hartley. You would've been decrying him as a horrific neoliberal

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Humble_Novice
01/21/25 1:33:13 PM
#212:


LightSnake posted...
Oh, he stopped pretending to care about Palestine when Harris lost
I had him blocked because he was being crazy.

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Humble_Novice
01/21/25 1:35:44 PM
#213:


Westernwolf4 posted...
Fully agree. Every time I hear that here or out in the world, I try to contest it. Both parties have flaws, but one has flaws like every political party in history and the other one is a bad faith entity full of criminals and those enabling criminals. They are not remotely the same.

The problem, as you know, is that part of the GOP propaganda blast since the 80s has been to convince people that all politicians and political institutions are bad in order to reduce their own accountability and increase voter apathy Everyone does it has been the first line of the GOP deflection playbook for decades.

Now, by design, huge swaths of voters think same thing both sides is actually real, and continue to think so no matter how much the GOP push the boundaries. Undoing that mentality is going to be hard. If seeing a coup attempt unfold on live TV isnt sufficient for people to get it, I dont know what can be said to make voters understand.
The problem is that leftists constantly demand that Democrats be as vocally loud and strident as them in their beliefs. They are not satisfied with anything less and will even call them traitors if they be civil towards the other side. Remember when trans leftists were angry at how Sarah McBride responded to Nancy Mace's attempt to goad her?

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 1:36:37 PM
#214:


LightSnake posted...
My dear boy, LBJ voted no to literally every Civil Rights piece of legislation while he was in Congress. He voted for Taft-Hartley. You would've been decrying him as a horrific neoliberal

yea but what is different is that he don't want to protest Trump just talk about how much he dislikes the dems
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Tom_Joad
01/21/25 1:42:41 PM
#215:


Kain_Highwind posted...
LBJ is very very different from Trump

I wrote GEORGE FUCKING WALLACE!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

The unrepentant segregationist who said, in his inaugural address as Governor of Alabama:

In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this Earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.

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Kain_Highwind
01/21/25 1:48:10 PM
#216:


Tom_Joad posted...
I wrote GEORGE FUCKING WALLACE!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

The unrepentant segregationist who said, in his inaugural address as Governor of Alabama:
Sorry, that one's on me

My mind just went to LBJ despite reading Wallace

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ssb_yunglink2
01/21/25 1:49:39 PM
#217:


Kain_Highwind posted...
Sorry, that one's on me

My mind just went to LBJ despite reading Wallace
are you gonna respond to the actual substance of that post instead of deflecting to an entirely different person and then saying nothing else

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ssk9716757
01/21/25 1:58:49 PM
#218:


West Bank settlers are the lesser of two evils when compared to carpet bombing campaigns in Gaza. Lesser evil is the reason I was told to vote for Kamala.

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 2:00:06 PM
#219:


Kain_Highwind posted...
Sorry, that one's on me

My mind just went to LBJ despite reading Wallace

ok but did you change your stance?
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LightSnake
01/21/25 2:01:03 PM
#220:


ssk9716757 posted...
West Bank settlers are the lesser of two evils when compared to carpet bombing campaigns in Gaza. Lesser evil is the reason I was told to vote for Kamala.

guess what!

youre getting both soon. Trump is already talking forcible relocation of Gaza citizenry

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 2:04:00 PM
#221:


LightSnake posted...
guess what!

youre getting both soon. Trump is already talking forcible relocation of Gaza citizenry
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ssk9716757
01/21/25 2:05:12 PM
#222:


LightSnake posted...
guess what!

youre getting both soon. Trump is already talking forcible relocation of Gaza citizenry

relocation is again a lesser evil than murder

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ssb_yunglink2
01/21/25 2:07:49 PM
#223:


ssk9716757 posted...
relocation is again a lesser evil than murder
where are they gonna be relocated to

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 2:12:20 PM
#224:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
where are they gonna be relocated to

sheol
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Tmaster148
01/21/25 2:12:52 PM
#225:


ssk9716757 posted...
relocation is again a lesser evil than murder

It's forced relocation to a country that may not even accept them. Then when that country doesn't accept them, well maybe some WWII history might tell you want happens when a group of individuals are rounded up without a place to go.

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HashtagSEP
01/21/25 2:13:35 PM
#226:


Oh geez, is somebody really trying to argue Trump as the lesser evil on this after the last few days?

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ssk9716757
01/21/25 2:15:18 PM
#227:


HashtagSEP posted...
Oh geez, is somebody really trying to argue Trump as the lesser evil on this after the last few days?

Idk man its objective which one has helped kill more Palestinians so far

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WingsOfGood
01/21/25 2:17:01 PM
#228:


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LightSnake
01/21/25 2:17:12 PM
#229:


ssk9716757 posted...
relocation is again a lesser evil than murder

thanks, Andrew Jackson.

Also now you give a shit about the lesser evil. Very interesting

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ssk9716757
01/21/25 2:17:59 PM
#230:


LightSnake posted...
thanks, Andrew Jackson.

dont thank me thank liberals who spent 15 months glossing over a genocide and throwing us into another trump presidency

LightSnake posted...
Also now you give a shit about the lesser evil. Very interesting

sarcasm, genius.

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ssb_yunglink2
01/21/25 2:19:01 PM
#231:


ssk9716757 posted...
Idk man its objective which one has helped kill more Palestinians so far
lmao try harder man

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Heineken14
01/21/25 2:22:12 PM
#232:


Kain_Highwind posted...
Of course this is the place where listening to Hasan makes you an antisemite so we know how much this place knows about politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCDfjcclStA

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masterpug53
01/21/25 2:23:31 PM
#233:


ssk9716757 posted...
dont thank me thank liberals who spent 15 months glossing over a genocide and throwing us into another trump presidency

This is so remarkably low-effort that I'm worried I'll be overwhelmed by secondhand lethargy just by reading it. Make no mistake, I'll be sending you the cleaning bill when I piss myself because I was too lazy to get up and go to the bathroom.

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Starks
01/21/25 2:27:59 PM
#234:


ssk9716757 posted...
dont thank me thank liberals who spent 15 months glossing over a genocide and throwing us into another trump presidency
Which candidate just gave Israel the green light to use 2,000 lb bombs on what's left of Gaza and Khan Younis?

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Humble_Novice
01/21/25 2:38:15 PM
#235:


Starks posted...
Which candidate just gave Israel the green light to use 2,000 lb bombs on what's left of Gaza and Khan Younis?
In before some deranged fool accuses liberals like us of being genocide enablers.

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ssk9716757
01/21/25 2:48:56 PM
#236:


Starks posted...
Which candidate just gave Israel the green light to use 2,000 lb bombs on what's left of Gaza and Khan Younis?

wow thats unimaginable. no admin has allowed that until just now at this very moment. also what do you mean whats left? has someone allowed the complete decimation of that region already? please dont tell me thats true.

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Tmaster148
01/21/25 2:52:09 PM
#237:


ssk9716757 posted...
wow thats unimaginable. no admin has allowed that until just now at this very moment. also what do you mean whats left? has someone allowed the complete decimation of that region already? please dont tell me thats true.


reposting the article just so anyone else coming into the topic understands what is going on

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-lift-pause-2000-pound-bomb-supply-israel-walla-news-reports-2025-01-20/?utm_source=reddit.com

U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to lift the Biden administration's freeze on the supply of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel in his first days in office

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LightSnake
01/21/25 2:54:08 PM
#238:


ssk9716757 posted...
dont thank me thank liberals who spent 15 months glossing over a genocide and throwing us into another trump presidency

sarcasm, genius.

IT's always amazing to me how folks who say this blame liberals for everything despite liberals constantly warning Trump is evil.

Like people never affirmatively vote for the right wing. They're just a hurricane. They just happen

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ssk9716757
01/21/25 2:55:20 PM
#239:


Tmaster148 posted...
reposting the article just so anyone else coming into the topic understands what is going on

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-lift-pause-2000-pound-bomb-supply-israel-walla-news-reports-2025-01-20/?utm_source=reddit.com

christ. i didnt know. thank god that didnt happen at all under biden.

https://fxb.harvard.edu/2024/10/10/new-study-shows-israel-air-dropped-2000lb-bombs-within-lethal-and-damage-ranges-of-hospitals-in-gaza/


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Deej
01/21/25 2:58:16 PM
#240:


Deej posted...
Both sides are the same, but also only one side is worth protesting, because the other side would never change its mind
Also also you shouldn't vote for the side that would potentially change its mind, because reasons


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Heineken14
01/21/25 3:02:14 PM
#241:


LightSnake posted...
IT's always amazing to me how folks who say this blame liberals for everything despite liberals constantly warning Trump is evil.

Like people never affirmatively vote for the right wing. They're just a hurricane. They just happen

https://whereofonecanspeak.com/2023/03/02/youve-probably-never-heard-of-murcs-law-but-youve-seen-it-in-action-lots-of-times/

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Kaldrenthebold
01/21/25 3:11:44 PM
#242:


ssk9716757 posted...
christ. i didnt know. thank god that didnt happen at all under biden.

https://fxb.harvard.edu/2024/10/10/new-study-shows-israel-air-dropped-2000lb-bombs-within-lethal-and-damage-ranges-of-hospitals-in-gaza/

So wait which administration stopped the sale of those bombs to them I'm confused? That first month I assume they had those in their pocket from previous arm sales, Biden or not.

Did Biden or did he not freeze the sale of those to Israel.

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HashtagSEP
01/21/25 3:20:25 PM
#243:


ssk9716757 posted...
christ. i didnt know. thank god that didnt happen at all under biden.

https://fxb.harvard.edu/2024/10/10/new-study-shows-israel-air-dropped-2000lb-bombs-within-lethal-and-damage-ranges-of-hospitals-in-gaza/

Which one stopped sales, and which one just greenlit them?

Go ahead, this isn't challenging. Well, it may be for you, apparently.

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loafy013
01/21/25 6:49:37 PM
#244:


@CountCorvinus
Where you at in this topic? I see you're still posting in others about how Harris lost because she would be worse than trump in Gaza. Interested in your take here.

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dameon_reaper
01/21/25 7:03:41 PM
#245:


Did someone hand Kain a shovel because I read most of the topic and watched him dig himself further into a hole.

Honestly, I don't understand it. Even if Kamala wasn't going to stop the war, did you really decide to give it to a maniac who was going to do that and MORE?

This is literally the trolly problem.

And while I'm not going to pat myself on the back on my decision, I did what I felt was right and normal, and that's pretty much doing anything anti Trump.

I've lived through his time in office and REMEMBERED it.

Trying to blame the democrats on this is weird, because even the media was going all in on Trump. With everyone lying and benefitting him...the protest only made it worse. And now what? Defending yourself? Defending people for making stupid decisions? Dude is a looney tune and deserved to rot in prison.

The only reason he isn't is because the corruption. Not the democrats.
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metralo
01/21/25 7:45:23 PM
#246:


loafy013 posted...
I'm wondering about the lack of CountCorvus (I think thats the name) in this topic. He the bluemaga guy always going on and on about Genocide Joe.

They never cared about Gaza or the Palestinians and never will. Just useful idiots to get Trump elected.

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Sandalorn
01/21/25 7:52:13 PM
#247:


If anyone was wondering why the ADL was protecting and defending Musk and this administration...well, here you go.
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Sandalorn
01/21/25 7:56:41 PM
#248:


metralo posted...
They never cared about Gaza or the Palestinians and never will. Just useful idiots to get Trump elected.


Trumble and that other brit are oddly silent about this also. No Genocide Donald from them. It was almost like you could predict EXACTLY what was going to happen...
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ssb_yunglink2
01/21/25 8:00:13 PM
#249:


Sandalorn posted...
Trumble and that other brit are oddly silent about this also. No Genocide Donald from them. It was almost like you could predict EXACTLY what was going to happen...
yeah i remember them specifically saying shit like trump was only PROMISING hed make it worse, but since biden was in office he was actually worse

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Kaldrenthebold
01/21/25 8:02:54 PM
#250:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ae5e6ad4.jpg

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Deej
01/21/25 9:06:44 PM
#251:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ae5e6ad4.jpg
Joe Biden's America :[

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Hospy
01/21/25 9:08:12 PM
#252:


Kaldrenthebold posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/ae5e6ad4.jpg
If it's not our war, that means we'll stop supplying aid and weapons for it, right?

Right?
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Yazarogi
01/21/25 9:09:13 PM
#253:


Sandalorn posted...
Trumble and that other brit are oddly silent about this also. No Genocide Donald from them. It was almost like you could predict EXACTLY what was going to happen...

They aren't even American which is what drives me crazy. Just literal troll shit stirrers.

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