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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:27:51 PM
#1:


Jon Stewart on the Weekly Show pointed out to Jen Psaki this week how they put their thumb on the scale against people going against their chosen candidate.

DNC heavily rigged in the 2016 & 2020 primaries against Bernie in favor of Hillary & Biden.

In 2024, we didnt have a real primary despite the fact that the first candidate we had/then current president had his brain melting on live tv.

2028 needs to be the change. For the first time in nearly 20 years, theres no clear person to be the next Dem candidate. Lets have a real primary without the DNC rigging the thing in favor of their establishment pick.

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Trumble
02/17/25 2:29:15 PM
#2:


Yeah, no shit. Democrats arent democratic, Republicans dont actually stand for a republic, and the Greens are in fact red. Thats just politics for you.

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jefffan
02/17/25 2:34:10 PM
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Please explain to me how Bernie was more popular in 2016 when he literally did not win a single major primary election?

Please explain how Joe Biden wasn't the popular choice in 2020 when he won every primary election after South Carolina?

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BlackScythe0
02/17/25 2:34:57 PM
#5:


JoCrazy posted...
2028 needs to be the change. For the first time in nearly 20 years, theres no clear person to be the next Dem candidate. Lets have a real primary without the DNC rigging the thing in favor of their establishment pick.

I don't expect it to happen, after all wasn't it just this past week Hakeem (if I remember right) was whining about people wanting to fight harder? Just because we don't see a front runner doesn't mean the people at the top who think they know better than us won't make a pick.
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WingsOfGood
02/17/25 2:35:20 PM
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Don't worry tc

You won't have to vote again
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Zero_Destroyer
02/17/25 2:36:11 PM
#7:


It really wasn't rigged in 2020. Bernie didn't have a majority coalition so Dems consolidated.

I obviously oppose this but the majority of Democratic voters did not want him and his only play to win was to take advantage of a narrowly dwindling field the same way Trump did in 2016. It's not surprising the moderate Dem wing saw this and put a stop to it even if it was clearly built on misgivings from McGovern's run in '72.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:37:12 PM
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jefffan posted...
Please explain to me how Bernie was more popular in 2016 when he literally did not win a single major primary election?

Please explain how Joe Biden wasn't the popular choice in 2020 when he won every primary election after South Carolina?
I like how you avoid the DNC rigging things and being super bias

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jefffan
02/17/25 2:38:20 PM
#10:


JoCrazy posted...
I like how you avoid the DNC rigging things and being super bias
Nice non answer.

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HashtagSEP
02/17/25 2:38:22 PM
#11:


JoCrazy posted...
I like how you avoid the DNC rigging things and being super bias

How did they rig it?

And if you're going to say "People dropped out and got behind Biden," how is it rigged if Bernie needed spoilers to stay in to actually be able to beat Biden?

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TMOG
02/17/25 2:38:31 PM
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JoCrazy posted...
I like how you avoid the DNC rigging things and being super bias
That's not explaining or answering jefffan's questions
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jefffan
02/17/25 2:39:11 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's so stupid. It's past time people move on.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:39:42 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Well, if we don't recognize the problem publicly like Jon Stewart did, we may be doomed to repeat it.

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WingsOfGood
02/17/25 2:40:20 PM
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jefffan posted...
It's so stupid. It's past time people move on.

Kinda weird thing to worry about while Trump rips the country apart.
Seems suspicious to me
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WingsOfGood
02/17/25 2:41:03 PM
#16:


JoCrazy posted...
Well, if we don't recognize the problem publicly like Jon Stewart did, we may be doomed to repeat it.

Did Biden not win in 2020?

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jefffan
02/17/25 2:42:30 PM
#17:


WingsOfGood posted...
Kinda weird thing to worry about while Trump rips the country apart.
Seems suspicious to me
Russian trolls just continuing to sow discourse. It's really tiring people are continuing to fall for it.


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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:43:07 PM
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But part of it was the way elected officials, donors, and interest groups coalesced behind Clinton early, making it clear that alternative candidates would struggle to find money and staff and endorsements and media coverage. Clinton had the explicit support of the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party and the implicit support of the Obama wing. She had spent decades building relationships in the party, and she leveraged them all in 2016. Hillary had a lot of friends, and so did Bill, says Elaine Kamarck, author of Primary Politics. This, in reality, is why Biden didnt run: President Obama and his top staffers made quietly clear that they supported Clintons candidacy, and so she entered the field with the imprimatur that usually only accords to vice presidents.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:44:47 PM
#19:


jefffan posted...
Russian trolls just continuing to sow discourse. It's really tiring people are continuing to fall for it.

The classic ''Russian troll'' comment for supporting Bernie. Pathetic

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HashtagSEP
02/17/25 2:44:51 PM
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You're really bad at answering the questions people actually asked you.

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Tmaster148
02/17/25 2:45:15 PM
#21:


Bernie lost those primaries, because he didn't get enough votes. There's no conspiracy.

2016:
Hilary: ~17 mil pop vote with 2842 delegate.
Bernie: ~13 mil pop vote with 1865 delegates.

2020:
Biden: ~19mil pop vote with 2695 delegates.
Bernie: ~10mil pop vote with 1117 delegates.
Warren: ~3 mil pop vote with 79 delegates.

I know some people really wanted Bernie to win, but he just didn't have the votes.


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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:46:15 PM
#22:


HashtagSEP posted...
You're really bad at answering the questions people actually asked you.
I was looking for articles, didn't feel like typing it out

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FL81
02/17/25 2:46:34 PM
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The Republican party is not republican

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WingsOfGood
02/17/25 2:46:59 PM
#24:


JoCrazy posted...
for supporting Bernie. Pathetic

Why don't you see what Bernie thinks of how democratic the party is?

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ConfusedTorchic
02/17/25 2:47:26 PM
#25:


bernie never went anywhere because his policies fell apart like wet toilet paper under the slightest scrutiny, and he genuinely has nothing aside from "we rich people make too much money"

which isn't a terrible thing to campaign on, but when it's your only thing?

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:48:41 PM
#26:


They made things impossible for Bernie because of Super Delegates. party elites whose votes count for more than the votes of regular people in primaries.

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jefffan
02/17/25 2:48:59 PM
#27:


JoCrazy posted...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged
Um ok. None of this changes the fact that more people ( myself included) stood in line and voted for Hillary way more than Bernie.

If Bernie was a popular as you say he would've overcome this ( much in the same Trump did in 2015/2016). He failed spectacularly.

Social media is not real life. Move on.

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TMOG
02/17/25 2:50:26 PM
#28:


JoCrazy posted...
I was looking for articles, didn't feel like typing it out
If you don't feel like actually supporting your own opinions and viewpoints and want to push that responsibility on others, do you think you could at least try and find articles that have anything to do with the questions being asked?
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PeteyParker
02/17/25 2:51:08 PM
#29:


JoCrazy posted...
I like how you avoid the DNC rigging things and being super bias

I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. The DNC didn't rig shit. People didn't vote for him and he lost the primary. Fucking get over it already. We need to stop the GOP and all this fantasy talk about "Bernie would have beat him!" is just that, complete fantasy. Maybe if people didn't waste their time on living that way and instead lived in reality, Harris would be President right now and we could be focusing our time on fixing the Democrats instead of living in the nightmare we are now.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:51:22 PM
#30:


jefffan posted...
Um ok. None of this changes the fact that more people ( myself included) stood in line and voted for Hillary way more than Bernie.

If Bernie was a popular as you say he would've overcome this ( much in the same Trump did in 2015/2016). He failed spectacularly.

Social media is not real life. Move on.

He may have won if not for Super delegates. Don't act like it was simple ''Hillary was more popular''

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/17/25 2:51:45 PM
#31:


The DNC is bought and paid for just like Republicans. Anyone who supports them over progressives is part of the problem and making life worse for the rest of us. Look where supporting them has gotten you.

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DrizztLink
02/17/25 2:52:33 PM
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TMOG posted...
If you don't feel like actually supporting your own opinions and viewpoints and want to push that responsibility on others, do you think you could at least try and find articles that have anything to do with the questions being asked?
That's a whole lot of work when carrying water for a fascist is quick and easy.

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ConfusedTorchic
02/17/25 2:52:48 PM
#33:


PeteyParker posted...
all this fantasy talk about "Bernie would have beat him!" is just that, complete fantasy.

bernie couldn't even beat hillary

hillary.

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ironman2009
02/17/25 2:53:51 PM
#34:


bernouts still in shambles.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:54:48 PM
#35:


Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, I kneweverybody knewthat this was not a fair deal. He added that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrongdoing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated.

On August 25, 2017, Federal Judge William Zloch, dismissed the lawsuit after several months of litigation during which DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate. In evaluating Plaintiffs claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are truethat the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent, the court order dismissing the lawsuit stated. This assumption of a plaintiffs allegation is the general legal standard in the motion to dismiss stage of any lawsuit. The allegations contained in the complaint must be taken as true unless they are merely conclusory allegations or are invalid on their face.

The order then explained why the lawsuit would be dismissed. The Court must now decide whether Plaintiffs have suffered a concrete injury particularized to them, or one certainly impending, that is traceable to the DNC and its former chairs conductthe keys to entering federal court. The Court holds that they have not. The Court added that it did not consider this within its jurisdiction. Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction, possessing only that power authorized by Constitution and statute.'

The Court continued, For their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charters promise of impartiality and evenhandedness as a mere political promisepolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of the DNCs governing principles. While it may be true in the abstract that the DNC has the right to have its delegates go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way, the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.

The order reaffirmed that regardless of whether the primaries were tipped in Hilary Clintons favor, the Courts authority to intervene based on the allegations of the kind set forth in the plaintiffs complaint is limited at best.

This Order therefore concerns only technical matters of pleading and subject-matter jurisdiction.

Jared Beck, one of the leading attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the lawsuit told The Observer, The standard governing the motion to dismiss requires the Court to accept all well-pled allegations as true for purposes of deciding the motion. Thus, the Court recited the allegations of the Complaint that it was required to accept as true, and in so doing, acknowledged that the allegations were well pled. Indeed, if you look at the if you look at the Complaint, you will see that all of these allegations accepted by the Court specifically rely on cite materials that are readily available in the public record, and they support the inference that the DNC and the DWS rigged the primaries.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/


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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:55:07 PM
#36:


EmbraceOfDeath posted...
The DNC is bought and paid for just like Republicans. Anyone who supports them over progressives is part of the problem and making life worse for the rest of us. Look where supporting them has gotten you.


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LightSnake
02/17/25 2:56:21 PM
#37:


JoCrazy posted...
He may have won if not for Super delegates. Don't act like it was simple ''Hillary was more popular''

Super Delegates existed long before Sanders ran and they always go to support the popular vote. Don't sign on to the rules and then whine about them.

Sanders literally argued the superdelegates should flip to him in spite of him losing the popular vote. His people championed caucuses and suppressed Democratic measures when suppressing them would benefit Sanders. This whole argument about rigging is just oen giant whinefest when the end result is they just wanted Bernie to win regardless of whether or not it was Democratic or not. They were fine rigging it if it meant a victory.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 2:56:22 PM
#38:


Asked if DNC system was rigged in Clintons favor, Warren says yes
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

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WingsOfGood
02/17/25 2:56:37 PM
#39:


So Trump 2028?
Since you won't support the democrats
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Deej
02/17/25 2:57:29 PM
#41:


WingsOfGood posted...
So Trump 2028?
Since you won't support the democrats
Nah, vote Green
They'll win this time for sure /s

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LightSnake
02/17/25 2:58:13 PM
#42:


JoCrazy posted...
Asked if DNC system was rigged in Clintons favor, Warren says yes
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.html

Warren wasn't part of the DNC or leadership. She has literally zero access to that info.

But go on, Jo, tell us how they 'rigged' it. One convincing explanation. 8 years in and nobody can possibly give an explanation

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Unknown5uspect
02/17/25 2:58:59 PM
#43:


Good to see we're witnessing the destruction of the country right in front of our faces and Jon Stewart is focusing on the real issues: The 2016 Democratic primary.

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LightSnake
02/17/25 2:59:55 PM
#44:


JoCrazy posted...
Court Concedes DNC Had the Right to Rig Primaries Against Sanders

In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, I kneweverybody knewthat this was not a fair deal. He added that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have resigned much sooner than she did. The lawsuit was filed to push the DNC to admit their wrongdoing and provide Bernie Sanders supporters, who supported him financially with millions of dollars in campaign contributions, with restitution for being cheated.

On August 25, 2017, Federal Judge William Zloch, dismissed the lawsuit after several months of litigation during which DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate. In evaluating Plaintiffs claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are truethat the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent, the court order dismissing the lawsuit stated. This assumption of a plaintiffs allegation is the general legal standard in the motion to dismiss stage of any lawsuit. The allegations contained in the complaint must be taken as true unless they are merely conclusory allegations or are invalid on their face.

The order then explained why the lawsuit would be dismissed. The Court must now decide whether Plaintiffs have suffered a concrete injury particularized to them, or one certainly impending, that is traceable to the DNC and its former chairs conductthe keys to entering federal court. The Court holds that they have not. The Court added that it did not consider this within its jurisdiction. Federal courts are courts of limited jurisdiction, possessing only that power authorized by Constitution and statute.'

The Court continued, For their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charters promise of impartiality and evenhandedness as a mere political promisepolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of the DNCs governing principles. While it may be true in the abstract that the DNC has the right to have its delegates go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way, the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.

The order reaffirmed that regardless of whether the primaries were tipped in Hilary Clintons favor, the Courts authority to intervene based on the allegations of the kind set forth in the plaintiffs complaint is limited at best.

This Order therefore concerns only technical matters of pleading and subject-matter jurisdiction.

Jared Beck, one of the leading attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the lawsuit told The Observer, The standard governing the motion to dismiss requires the Court to accept all well-pled allegations as true for purposes of deciding the motion. Thus, the Court recited the allegations of the Complaint that it was required to accept as true, and in so doing, acknowledged that the allegations were well pled. Indeed, if you look at the if you look at the Complaint, you will see that all of these allegations accepted by the Court specifically rely on cite materials that are readily available in the public record, and they support the inference that the DNC and the DWS rigged the primaries.
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/

This is literally just a ruling based on standing. As a private org, the DNC can do what it likes and thus the court doesn't have an authority to intervene on it.

This is sad

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Unknown5uspect
02/17/25 3:01:06 PM
#45:


LightSnake posted...
This is literally just a ruling based on standing. As a private org, the DNC can do what it likes and thus the court doesn't have an authority to intervene on it.

This is sad
C'mon LightSnake. You act like you're new to JoCrazy topics.

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LightSnake
02/17/25 3:01:56 PM
#46:


Unknown5uspect posted...
C'mon LightSnake. You act like you're new to JoCrazy topics.

Usually when I respond to him, it's less for HIS benefit. JoCrazy being a serial liar isn't really new, but some people really take him at face value.

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JoCrazy
02/17/25 3:02:27 PM
#47:


WingsOfGood posted...
So Trump 2028?
Since you won't support the democrats
Criticized Dems means support MAGA, right.

This mindset is why I use the term ''Blue MAGA '', cult like mindset against people outside the dem established


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JoCrazy
02/17/25 3:02:59 PM
#48:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Good to see we're witnessing the destruction of the country right in front of our faces and Jon Stewart is focusing on the real issues: The 2016 Democratic primary.
He's wanting the dems to be better

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LightSnake
02/17/25 3:03:54 PM
#49:


Jo, why do you lie so much?

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Unknown5uspect
02/17/25 3:04:18 PM
#50:


JoCrazy posted...
He's wanting the dems to be better
Sure he is.

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