Current Events > Bosch Dishwasher requires connection to the Cloud and account for most functions

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this is some kind of hell Capitalism gonna make for us all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M_hmwBBPnc

It's like these losers never played Mega Man Battle Network. Your dishwasher is going to be hacked and kill people!

You wouldn't download a dishwasher would you?

That's lame. Bosch is basically the best brand of dishwasher too.

"Smart" features will be the death of us.

Just because they worked with phones doesn't mean that every appliance and electronic needs to be "smart".

Solar_Crimson posted...

"Smart" features will be the death of us.

Just because they worked with phones doesn't mean that every appliance and electronic needs to be "smart".

need? maybe not

to make soo muuucchhh money though!?!?!??! AHHH $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Cant watch the video right now, but I had one installed a couple months ago. Runs great and I havent connected to shit.

IOT needs to die in a fire.

There are use cases for it but most of not all of them are unfriendly to users.

Wrote an application some years ago that's basically tied in for this sort of thing: you fill out a checkbox and the utility company credits you a little off the bill in exchange for throttling the machine remotely during peak hours. On paper, innocuous. In implementation and retrospect maybe a bit insidious (you could override it, then, I don't know if it's still in use)

Conceptually it's all good, if very consumerism focused (e.g. the archetypal "fridge tells you you need groceries automatically" that nobody's actually implemented ever when it comes to this sort of thing)

full disclosure Im an app developer for an appliance company

i think this is very stupid, but wouldnt it stand to reason that certain features of an appliance (like remote start) require an app/wifi connection

anyway our numbers show people do not give a shit about appliance apps and just want their stuff to work so adding any extra steps like this just piss off paying customers like the guy in the video

and of course theres a much more limited shelf life of an app vs how long an appliance is supposed to last

TheGoldenEel posted...

but wouldnt it stand to reason that certain features of an appliance (like remote start) require an app/wifi connection

no you just need a remote like a tv

but what this wants is the guy to connect his DISHWASHER to a Cloud after having made an account and therefore connect through his internet

for what? how is remote start even useful for a dishwasher?

TheGoldenEel posted...

anyway our numbers show people do not give a shit about appliance apps and just want their stuff to work so adding any extra steps like this just piss off paying customers like the guy in the video

This is how I felt when I recently got a new TV. It has so many Smart features that just get in the way.

WingsOfGood posted...

no you just need a remote like a tv

but what this wants is the guy to connect his DISHWASHER to a Cloud after having made an account and therefore connect through his internet

for what? how is remote start even useful for a dishwasher?

It's not useful for a dishwasher, but being able to remote lock can be useful for a water or power company

oh btw the features that don't work aren't just remote start

it is rinse cycles

that is why he is mad

Dang, dishwashers can't even squirt water without an internet connection anymore? That's insane.

Pretty soon, we're going to have Smart showers.

...Unless I'm late and that's already a thing.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Pretty soon, we're going to have Smart showers.

...Unless I'm late and that's already a thing.

smart cheesegraters

smart knives

Pass

WingsOfGood posted...

oh btw the features that don't work aren't just remote start

it is rinse cycles

that is why he is mad

no yeah that's ridiculous and he's right to be mad

that's why you should buy the brand i work for imo

TheGoldenEel posted...

that's why you should buy the brand i work for imo

oh maybe I will

except you know, we don't know what it is :D

I hate smart appliances so much

The Bosch series 4 don't have Home Connect.

So you do have the choice.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Dang, dishwashers can't even squirt water without an internet connection anymore? That's insane.

Our GE range/dishwasher can.

It's not useful for the dishwasher (though we did run it once through the app cause we forgot before a vacation), but it is nice to preheat the oven before we get home >_>. Especially since the wife bakes a lot now.

I too wish smart features didn't exist (especially for TVs) but if they're going to exist you might as well use them I guess lol.

The washer/dryer coming Saturday have smart features too but I don't think we'll use them as much.

When I got my washer and dryer I registered the warranty then got a deluge of emails about connecting to some app service.

This will be the future of everything. Goddamn capitalism. God damn it to hell.

Southernfatman posted...

This will be the future of everything. Goddamn capitalism. God damn it to hell.

no future is it having an obtrusive surveillance a.i. built into it

some one in the comments put it best

only a matter of time until people are required to pay a subscription fee and only allowed to use specific branded soap

AceMos posted...

some one in the comments put it best

only a matter of time until people are required to pay a subscription fee and only allowed to use specific branded soap

They shouldn't give them ideas.

WingsOfGood posted...

no future is it having an obtrusive surveillance a.i. built into it

Yep.

1- Fill your kitchen sink with hot water, add a dash of washing soap (found in your local thrift store)
2- When the water is nice and soapy, place the dirty plate in the water.
3- Using a circular motion with your hand, vigorously rub a sponge (conveniently found near the dishwashing soap at said thrift store).
4- Rinse said plate off with hot water, and place in dish rack (also found in said thrift store).
5- Repeat as needed for the rest of the dirty dishes.

008Zulu posted...

1- Fill your kitchen sink with hot water, add a dash of washing soap (found in your local thrift store)
2- When the water is nice and soapy, place the dirty plate in the water.
3- Using a circular motion with your hand, vigorously rub a sponge (conveniently found near the dishwashing soap at said thrift store).
4- Rinse said plate off with hot water, and place in dish rack (also found in said thrift store).
5- Repeat as needed for the rest of the dirty dishes.

I'd rather have a killer robot controlled by capitalists in my kitchen.

008Zulu posted...

1- Fill your kitchen sink with hot water, add a dash of washing soap (found in your local thrift store)
2- When the water is nice and soapy, place the dirty plate in the water.
3- Using a circular motion with your hand, vigorously rub a sponge (conveniently found near the dishwashing soap at said thrift store).
4- Rinse said plate off with hot water, and place in dish rack (also found in said thrift store).
5- Repeat as needed for the rest of the dirty dishes.

My mom once relayed a story to us how, when she and my aunt were kids, they would have to wash the dishes as one of their chores. When my mom asked my grandma if they could get a dishwasher, my grandma responded (paraphasing) "I already have two good ones right here!"

I have dishwasher but I never used it
I should probably make sure it still works

I wash my plates by hand

TheGoldenEel posted...

but wouldnt it stand to reason that certain features of an appliance (like remote start) require an app/wifi connection

why would a dishwasher need remote start?
you have to walk up to it to load it to begin with

008Zulu posted...

1- Fill your kitchen sink with hot water, add a dash of washing soap (found in your local thrift store)
2- When the water is nice and soapy, place the dirty plate in the water.
3- Using a circular motion with your hand, vigorously rub a sponge (conveniently found near the dishwashing soap at said thrift store).
4- Rinse said plate off with hot water, and place in dish rack (also found in said thrift store).
5- Repeat as needed for the rest of the dirty dishes.

look, i know people "used to" (and of course many still do) wash dishes by hand. but dude in the video said he has 5 kids. do you know how much fucking time washing dishes would take every single day for a family of 7? even more potentially if they have pets

it's also way more environmentally friendly to run a dishwasher fwiw
ROBBAN posted...

why would a dishwasher need remote start?
you have to walk up to it to load it to begin with

you wouldn't, it's a pointless feature

but it does add a bullet point to their features list

Ewww. I didn't read the article but I can't imagine what benefit this adds. My dishwasher already has the ability to delay washing by a few hours. Why would I need it connected the cloud? What possible benefit does that bring? It's just one more thing that can break and a security risk.

I recently had to buy a new dishwasher. Had been worried about it cos all of them advertise smart functions with phone connectivity so I thought I HAD to have that too. Anyway, I bought a Bosch and when the fitter came I asked him about the smart function. He shrugged and said I never bother with that. so that was that. It's not required and not needed.

(What it can do is alert you to when the rinser or salt needs refilling.)

TheGoldenEel posted...

look, i know people "used to" (and of course many still do) wash dishes by hand. but dude in the video said he has 5 kids.

That's 10 hands for manual washing of dishes.