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Tom_Joad 04/07/25 11:00:54 PM #1:	Deadline has been reached for submissions by potential testifiers at USTR hearing on port fee plan and responses are overwhelmingly negative Business leaders warn of potentially catastrophic effects to US import costs, US export competitiveness, and the US economy overall Multiple shipping companies say they will cease US operations if the port fees go forward The supply chain disruption in the US was historically severe during the pandemic. It might be even worse if the Trump administration goes forward with its proposed port fee plan targeting Chinese ships and non-Chinese operators of Chinese ships, according to feedback submitted to the USTR. https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1152844/US-could-face-trade-apocalypse-if-Trump-port-fee-plan-isnt-killed TARIFFS are bad enough just look at the US stock market but business leaders are warning of catastrophe if the Trump administrations port fee plan goes forward. The US Trade Representative announced on February 21 that it plans to levy exorbitant port fees in some cases over a million dollars for every US port call by Chinese transport operators, Chinese-built ships, all operators that have any ships on order at Chinese yards, and according to one interpretation of the proposal (based on a presidential draft order obtained by Lloyds List), all operators with any Chinese-built ships in their fleets. The USTR plan would also mandate that a portion of US exports be carried on US-flagged and, eventually, US-built vessels. Respondents had until Monday to submit comments to the USTR if they wanted to testify at the hearing on the proposal on March 24. They responded in droves, overwhelmingly negatively, with several predicting a disaster for importers, exporters and the US economy in general if the USTR did not kill the port fee plan. Some executives also bluntly asserted that if the plan was approved as written, their companies would go out of business or leave the US. Florida-based Seaboard Marine, the largest US-based, foreign-flag container shipping carrier, which serves the Caribbean and Central and South America, said the proposed rule would have the unintended consequence of putting US-owned carriers like Seaboard Marine out of business, while at the same time pushing more business into the hands of large foreign-owned carriers. Virginia-based Atlantic Container Line, which operates in the transatlantic trade, said it would be forced to terminate its US services, close its American offices, lay off its American staff and redeploy its ships to other trades. Dry bulk logistics provider Carver Companies, which employs over 500 people, said, The additional financial burden would likely force us out of business, leading to significant job losses and economic disruption in the regions we serve. Peeples Industries, which runs a private dry bulk terminal in Savannah, Georgia, said, The proposed action would put our company out of business. Bermuda Container Line, which operates the Chinese-built Oleander (IMO: 9827334) on weekly service to Bermuda from New York/New Jersey, said, There is almost a certainty that the added financial cost would threaten its survival, jeopardising one of Bermudas only dedicated services, leading to food shortages on the island. Somers Isles Shipping, a small operator transporting 150 teu per voyage or 4,000 teu per year on biweekly service from Port Fernandina, Florida to Bermuda, said, This fee would simply put us out of business in one voyage. Hans Laue, president of Florida-based brokerage Gisholt Shipping, warned that the USTR fees would, at the very least, cause the demise of dozens of American small- and medium-sized businesses, resulting in tens of thousands of jobs. The worst case, Laue said: Applying them as proposed could be Armageddon for American industries and American citizens across the board. Tanker shipping US President Donald Trump insists he will boost US oil and gas exports, but port taxes would be passed along via charter parties to energy cargo shippers, inflating the cost of US exports and reducing their competitiveness. The American Petroleum Institute, the US energy sectors top lobbyist, said the USTR plan could undermine President Trumps energy dominance agenda by making it more challenging to export oil, LNG and refined products, and would also hinder the USs ability to import crude oil. According to NYSE-listed Energy Products Partners, the US export tanker cargo preference requirements would inadvertently guarantee that there will be no drill baby drill. The liquid gold under our feet would stay in the ground. INEOS, a leading exporter of US ethane, said the proposed port fees risk rendering the export of US ethane gas uneconomical. Dry bulk shipping The responses were even more ominous from dry bulk shippers. The US National Mining Association said, Increased costs, supply chain disruptions and even the outright inability to import or export critical materials could bring the industry to a standstill. According to the West Virginia Coal Association, It may prove impossible for coal-exporting companies to secure an adequate number of appropriately designed and sized vessels to avoid the proposed port fees. Imposition of the port fees will simply price West Virginia coal out of the seaborne energy market. This rule is not only onerous, but unnecessary and impossible to manage and will serve to punish major export states like West Virginia. According to the American Soybean Association, The US does not have the domestic-flag capacity to handle our export market at the rate proposed by the USTR. We are extremely concerned that if this proposal goes into effect, US soybeans will be effectively shut out from our global export markets. Bulker charterer KOGA said that a typical US Gulf-Mediterranean voyage cost on a 10,000 dwt vessel would be $70 per tonne without the proposed port tax, and $170 per tonne with the tax. This increased cost would make such voyages financially unfeasible, it asserted. IMI, a logistics provider that handles gypsum and cement imports to the US and exports of coal and petcoke from the US, said the broad USTR port-fee criteria would capture virtually every vessel IMI charters and would result in an annual cost burden of $180m-$630m, which will become a direct pass-through expense to IMIs US customers. Lightship Chartering pointed to the 10m tonnes of rock salt that is imported annually from overseas for road de-icing in the US northeast. The USTR plan would double the cost of imported salt from $20 per tonne to $40 per tonne, it said, adding that local US municipalities would not be able to cover the rise with tax increases. Peeples Industries president Frank Peeples Jr estimated that freight on dry bulk cargoes from Georgia to Europe on a handysize vessel would rise from $24 per tonne to $55.25 per tonne. Trading this cargo will no longer be viable. What I cant understand is a rule on bulk vessels that will require a fee greater than the typical bulk freight cost to Europe or even greater than the value of the product itself. This rule seems to assume that many of these commodities on targeted Chinese-built bulk vessels are captive and therefore will be forced to pay. That assumption is wrong. These products at the fee levels proposed will not trade. Full stop. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:984639546] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Deadline has been reached for submissions by potential testifiers at USTR hearing on port fee plan and responses are overwhelmingly negativeBusiness leaders warn of potentially catastrophic effects to US import costs, US export competitiveness, and the US economy overallMultiple shipping companies say they will cease US operations if the port fees go forwardThe supply chain disruption in the US was historically severe during the pandemic. It might be even worse if the Trump administration goes forward with its proposed port fee plan targeting Chinese ships and non-Chinese operators of Chinese ships, according to feedback submitted to the USTR.https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1152844/US-could-face-trade-apocalypse-if-Trump-port-fee-plan-isnt-killed<quote>TARIFFS are bad enough just look at the US stock market but business leaders are warning of catastrophe if the Trump administrations port fee plan goes forward.The US Trade Representative announced on February 21 that it plans to levy exorbitant port fees in some cases over a million dollars for every US port call by Chinese transport operators, Chinese-built ships, all operators that have any ships on order at Chinese yards, and according to one interpretation of the proposal (based on a presidential draft order obtained by Lloyds List), all operators with any Chinese-built ships in their fleets.The USTR plan would also mandate that a portion of US exports be carried on US-flagged and, eventually, US-built vessels.Respondents had until Monday to submit comments to the USTR if they wanted to testify at the hearing on the proposal on March 24. They responded in droves, overwhelmingly negatively, with several predicting a disaster for importers, exporters and the US economy in general if the USTR did not kill the port fee plan.Some executives also bluntly asserted that if the plan was approved as written, their companies would go out of business or leave the US.Florida-based Seaboard Marine, the largest US-based, foreign-flag container shipping carrier, which serves the Caribbean and Central and South America, said the proposed rule would have the unintended consequence of putting US-owned carriers like Seaboard Marine out of business, while at the same time pushing more business into the hands of large foreign-owned carriers.Virginia-based Atlantic Container Line, which operates in the transatlantic trade, said it would be forced to terminate its US services, close its American offices, lay off its American staff and redeploy its ships to other trades.Dry bulk logistics provider Carver Companies, which employs over 500 people, said, The additional financial burden would likely force us out of business, leading to significant job losses and economic disruption in the regions we serve.Peeples Industries, which runs a private dry bulk terminal in Savannah, Georgia, said, The proposed action would put our company out of business.Bermuda Container Line, which operates the Chinese-built Oleander (IMO: 9827334) on weekly service to Bermuda from New York/New Jersey, said, There is almost a certainty that the added financial cost would threaten its survival, jeopardising one of Bermudas only dedicated services, leading to food shortages on the island.Somers Isles Shipping, a small operator transporting 150 teu per voyage or 4,000 teu per year on biweekly service from Port Fernandina, Florida to Bermuda, said, This fee would simply put us out of business in one voyage.Hans Laue, president of Florida-based brokerage Gisholt Shipping, warned that the USTR fees would, at the very least, cause the demise of dozens of American small- and medium-sized businesses, resulting in tens of thousands of jobs. The worst case, Laue said: Applying them as proposed could be Armageddon for American industries and American citizens across the board.Tanker shippingUS President Donald Trump insists he will boost US oil and gas exports, but port taxes would be passed along via charter parties to energy cargo shippers, inflating the cost of US exports and reducing their competitiveness.The American Petroleum Institute, the US energy sectors top lobbyist, said the USTR plan could undermine President Trumps energy dominance agenda by making it more challenging to export oil, LNG and refined products, and would also hinder the USs ability to import crude oil.According to NYSE-listed Energy Products Partners, the US export tanker cargo preference requirements would inadvertently guarantee that there will be no drill baby drill. The liquid gold under our feet would stay in the ground.INEOS, a leading exporter of US ethane, said the proposed port fees risk rendering the export of US ethane gas uneconomical.Dry bulk shippingThe responses were even more ominous from dry bulk shippers.The US National Mining Association said, Increased costs, supply chain disruptions and even the outright inability to import or export critical materials could bring the industry to a standstill.According to the West Virginia Coal Association, It may prove impossible for coal-exporting companies to secure an adequate number of appropriately designed and sized vessels to avoid the proposed port fees. Imposition of the port fees will simply price West Virginia coal out of the seaborne energy market. This rule is not only onerous, but unnecessary and impossible to manage and will serve to punish major export states like West Virginia.According to the American Soybean Association, The US does not have the domestic-flag capacity to handle our export market at the rate proposed by the USTR. We are extremely concerned that if this proposal goes into effect, US soybeans will be effectively shut out from our global export markets.Bulker charterer KOGA said that a typical US Gulf-Mediterranean voyage cost on a 10,000 dwt vessel would be $70 per tonne without the proposed port tax, and $170 per tonne with the tax. This increased cost would make such voyages financially unfeasible, it asserted.IMI, a logistics provider that handles gypsum and cement imports to the US and exports of coal and petcoke from the US, said the broad USTR port-fee criteria would capture virtually every vessel IMI charters and would result in an annual cost burden of $180m-$630m, which will become a direct pass-through expense to IMIs US customers.Lightship Chartering pointed to the 10m tonnes of rock salt that is imported annually from overseas for road de-icing in the US northeast. The USTR plan would double the cost of imported salt from $20 per tonne to $40 per tonne, it said, adding that local US municipalities would not be able to cover the rise with tax increases.Peeples Industries president Frank Peeples Jr estimated that freight on dry bulk cargoes from Georgia to Europe on a handysize vessel would rise from $24 per tonne to $55.25 per tonne.Trading this cargo will no longer be viable. What I cant understand is a rule on bulk vessels that will require a fee greater than the typical bulk freight cost to Europe or even greater than the value of the product itself. This rule seems to assume that many of these commodities on targeted Chinese-built bulk vessels are captive and therefore will be forced to pay. That assumption is wrong. These products at the fee levels proposed will not trade. Full stop.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 04/07/25 11:01:05 PM #2:	Container shipping If the USTR fee goes forward, the container liner industry would switch Chinese-built ships out of US trades. To the extent they cannot avoid port fees, liners would seek to pass along the added costs as a surcharge. Multiple cargo shipper respondents to the USTR proposals asked that shipping lines be denied the ability to pass along port fee costs. But that wont help freight rates, because if that happens, liners would pull ships from unprofitable US services, as they have every right to do. Freight rates would then increase, not due to surcharges, but due to lower capacity. According to Andrew Abbott, chief executive of ACL, This would cause a freight rate explosion that would dwarf the Covid-era rate increase and devastate the supply chains of American companies. The National Retail Federation said, The fees will result in costs increases of hundreds of dollars per container for cargo owners. Shifts in service by ocean carriers would cause significant disruption due to port congestion. According to the Chamber of Shipping of America, The imposition of the proposed port fees.would cause a significant disruption to the US maritime market with expected disruptions to the supply chain and/or significantly increased shipping costs, which would ultimately be borne by US producers and US consumers. Ocean carriers would also reduce the number of US port calls per service string to reduce exposure to charges, cutting calls to tertiary ports and only calling at the largest ones. The fees would generate congestion at larger ports, as operators of vessels subject to fees seek to minimise the number of US port calls those vessels make on each route, said the World Shipping Council. Economic impacts of congestion and reduced US port traffic [due to shifts to Mexico and Canada] would reverberate throughout the economy. US exporters of containerised goods would be even harder hit than importers, given their lower freight rates, which would be much more heavily impacted by port-fee fallout than US importers. The US Agriculture Transportation Coalition (AgTC), which represents US exporters of containerised agricultural and forest goods, said, Many components of our farm country and port network will suffer: marine terminals, longshore labour, freight forwarders, logistics companies, warehouse operators, and drayage and over-the-road trucking firms. The transport cost increase would quickly render US ag unaffordable and uncompetitive, and because there is ample substitute supply from other countries, it would end US ag sales to foreign markets. Summing up the worst-case scenario for US exports and imports, the Association of Ship Brokers & Agents wrote, One thing is certain: If the maximum fees are imposed, the resulting economic pain will reverberate through every sector of the US economy and in every household. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:984639548] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote><quote>Container shippingIf the USTR fee goes forward, the container liner industry would switch Chinese-built ships out of US trades. To the extent they cannot avoid port fees, liners would seek to pass along the added costs as a surcharge.Multiple cargo shipper respondents to the USTR proposals asked that shipping lines be denied the ability to pass along port fee costs. But that wont help freight rates, because if that happens, liners would pull ships from unprofitable US services, as they have every right to do. Freight rates would then increase, not due to surcharges, but due to lower capacity.According to Andrew Abbott, chief executive of ACL, This would cause a freight rate explosion that would dwarf the Covid-era rate increase and devastate the supply chains of American companies.The National Retail Federation said, The fees will result in costs increases of hundreds of dollars per container for cargo owners. Shifts in service by ocean carriers would cause significant disruption due to port congestion.According to the Chamber of Shipping of America, The imposition of the proposed port fees.would cause a significant disruption to the US maritime market with expected disruptions to the supply chain and/or significantly increased shipping costs, which would ultimately be borne by US producers and US consumers.Ocean carriers would also reduce the number of US port calls per service string to reduce exposure to charges, cutting calls to tertiary ports and only calling at the largest ones.The fees would generate congestion at larger ports, as operators of vessels subject to fees seek to minimise the number of US port calls those vessels make on each route, said the World Shipping Council. Economic impacts of congestion and reduced US port traffic [due to shifts to Mexico and Canada] would reverberate throughout the economy.US exporters of containerised goods would be even harder hit than importers, given their lower freight rates, which would be much more heavily impacted by port-fee fallout than US importers.The US Agriculture Transportation Coalition (AgTC), which represents US exporters of containerised agricultural and forest goods, said, Many components of our farm country and port network will suffer: marine terminals, longshore labour, freight forwarders, logistics companies, warehouse operators, and drayage and over-the-road trucking firms.The transport cost increase would quickly render US ag unaffordable and uncompetitive, and because there is ample substitute supply from other countries, it would end US ag sales to foreign markets.Summing up the worst-case scenario for US exports and imports, the Association of Ship Brokers & Agents wrote, One thing is certain: If the maximum fees are imposed, the resulting economic pain will reverberate through every sector of the US economy and in every household.</quote></quote> ... 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Tom_Joad 04/07/25 11:02:20 PM #3:	Basically, if this goes through, you can kiss ANY cargo shipments in or out of the US goodbye. (by sea) --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:984639555] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Basically, if this goes through, you can kiss ANY cargo shipments in or out of the US goodbye. (by sea)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/07/25 11:02:32 PM #4:	It's hardly the only Trumpy dumbassery that needs to be ended before the US is utterly fucked. It's too late to prevent us from being fucked for literal decades, we're pushing for a very low bar right now. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:984639556] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>It's hardly the only Trumpy dumbassery that needs to be ended before the US is utterly fucked.It's too late to prevent us from being fucked for literal decades, we're pushing for a very low bar right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 04/07/25 11:03:44 PM #5:	If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:984639566] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 04/07/25 11:04:29 PM #6:	We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:984639573] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kiwimyweewee 04/07/25 11:06:55 PM #7:	Rika_Furude posted... If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so. Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway. --- The low hanging fruit must be plucked. <cite>kiwimyweewee posted [p:984639595] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite><quote>If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line</quote>The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so.Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 04/07/25 11:10:54 PM #8:	A_Good_Boy posted... We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop? When every country decides maybe they'd be better off without us and join together. --- "I dreamt I was a moron." <cite>Strider102 posted [p:984639630] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite><quote>We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop?</quote>When every country decides maybe they'd be better off without us and join together.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 04/07/25 11:11:10 PM #9:	kiwimyweewee posted... The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so. Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway. They can shelter one or two storms (At a time). Throw all this chaos at them at once and the whole economy explodes violently. --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:984639635] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>kiwimyweewee posted... </cite><quote>The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so.Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway.</quote>They can shelter one or two storms (At a time). Throw all this chaos at them at once and the whole economy explodes violently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/07/25 11:12:07 PM #10:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:984639648] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkbuster 04/07/25 11:22:28 PM #11:	"Huh, neat." No, seriously, America just plain has to learn a painful lesson for Trump. The first time can be excused for ignorance, but the second needs to be met appropriately. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 <cite>darkbuster posted [p:984639733] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>"Huh, neat."No, seriously, America just plain has to learn a painful lesson for Trump. The first time can be excused for ignorance, but the second needs to be met appropriately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2001mark 04/07/25 11:25:48 PM #12:	Nintendo Switch $2 Thousand. <cite>2001mark posted [p:984639756] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Nintendo Switch $2 Thousand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom_Joad 04/07/25 11:27:37 PM #13:	2001mark posted... Nintendo Switch $2000 No Nintendo Switch 2, period. Because no container ship will make port into America with those rates. No nothing, to be frank. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult <cite>Tom_Joad posted [p:984639769] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>2001mark posted... </cite><quote>Nintendo Switch $2000</quote>No Nintendo Switch 2, period.Because no container ship will make port into America with those rates.No nothing, to be frank.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 04/07/25 11:28:14 PM #14:	Just think. All of this could have been avoided. --- "I dreamt I was a moron." <cite>Strider102 posted [p:984639775] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Just think. All of this could have been avoided.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kiwimyweewee 04/07/25 11:28:22 PM #15:	Tom_Joad posted... No Nintendo Switch 2, period. Because no container ship will make port into America with those rates. No nothing, to be frank. There's air freight. --- The low hanging fruit must be plucked. <cite>kiwimyweewee posted [p:984639777] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Tom_Joad posted... </cite><quote>No Nintendo Switch 2, period.Because no container ship will make port into America with those rates.No nothing, to be frank.</quote>There's air freight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Strider102 04/07/25 11:29:26 PM #16:	kiwimyweewee posted... There's air freight. Until he stops those. --- "I dreamt I was a moron." <cite>Strider102 posted [p:984639789] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>kiwimyweewee posted... </cite><quote>There's air freight.</quote>Until he stops those.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 04/07/25 11:34:47 PM #17:	There's just no aspect of the country he's not determined to fuck up --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:984639819] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>There's just no aspect of the country he's not determined to fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kiwimyweewee 04/07/25 11:35:39 PM #18:	Strider102 posted... Until he stops those. If he does, I'm fucked. --- The low hanging fruit must be plucked. <cite>kiwimyweewee posted [p:984639823] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite><quote>Until he stops those.</quote>If he does, I'm fucked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 04/07/25 11:50:54 PM #19:	A_Good_Boy posted... We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop? Brother we haven't even made it three months. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:984639902] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite><quote>We haven't even made it 6 months yet. When does the winning stop?</quote>Brother we haven't even made it three months.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Azn_Psycho 04/07/25 11:51:16 PM #20:	Topic title is 4 words too many... I'd say which words, but that's just asking for trouble --- Blah, blah, blah, and blah. <cite>Azn_Psycho posted [p:984639906] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Topic title is 4 words too many...I'd say which words, but that's just asking for trouble</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thompson 04/07/25 11:54:39 PM #21:	Tyranthraxus posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg Europe: "What are you doing?" China: "Hmm, this could be to my advantage..." USA: "Pay me what you owe me or else I won't stop stabbing myself!" --- Sigs are rather pointless, except if it's to showcase animation and images. <cite>Thompson posted [p:984639925] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg</quote>Europe: "What are you doing?"China: "Hmm, this could be to my advantage..."USA: "Pay me what you owe me or else I won't stop stabbing myself!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kami_no_Kami 04/08/25 12:02:33 AM #22:	Azn_Psycho posted... Topic title is 4 words too many... I'd say which words, but that's just asking for trouble <cite>Kami_no_Kami posted [p:984639964] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Azn_Psycho posted... </cite><quote>Topic title is 4 words too many...I'd say which words, but that's just asking for trouble</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/08/25 12:05:38 AM #23:	Thompson posted... Europe: "What are you doing?" China: "Hmm, this could be to my advantage..." USA: "Pay me what you owe me or else I won't stop stabbing myself!" The rp dialogue I had in my head was more like Europe: what the fuck are you doin China: holy fuck what the hell is wrong USA: HHHHEEEUUUUUUGGGHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSGGGGHHHHHHJAAAEEERRRR --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:984639982] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Thompson posted... </cite><quote>Europe: "What are you doing?"China: "Hmm, this could be to my advantage..."USA: "Pay me what you owe me or else I won't stop stabbing myself!"</quote>The rp dialogue I had in my head was more like Europe: what the fuck are you doin China: holy fuck what the hell is wrong USA: HHHHEEEUUUUUUGGGHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSGGGGHHHHHHJAAAEEERRRR</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/08/25 12:10:15 AM #24:	Tyranthraxus posted... USA: Personally I'm picturing a sound somewhere between an elephant trumpet and full-on Dumb & Dumber bathroom scene. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:984640015] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>USA:</quote>Personally I'm picturing a sound somewhere between an elephant trumpet and full-on Dumb & Dumber bathroom scene.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 04/08/25 12:11:05 AM #25:	kiwimyweewee posted... Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway. With what economy is Trump gonna bail them out? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:984640021] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>kiwimyweewee posted... </cite><quote>Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway.</quote>With what economy is Trump gonna bail them out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 04/08/25 12:12:57 AM #26:	Strider102 posted... Just think. All of this could have been avoided. But Strider, what did she do to earn my vote? --- The republican party cheered nazi salutes on stage. The American experiment is over. We failed. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:984640031] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite><quote>Just think. All of this could have been avoided.</quote>But Strider, what did she do to earn my vote?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 04/08/25 12:16:38 AM #27:	I knew they hated the US I didn't know how much they hated the US And so-called "patriots" eat this shit up. And that terrifies the fuck out of me. --- RS3: UltimaSuende - CE Thread Zone https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:984640052] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>I knew they hated the USI didn't know how much they hated the USAnd so-called "patriots" eat this shit up. And that terrifies the fuck out of me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CobraGT 04/08/25 12:45:44 AM #28:	TC, I wish you had not told me. There is no way I will be getting a Switch 2. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 <cite>CobraGT posted [p:984640219] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>TC, I wish you had not told me. There is no way I will be getting a Switch 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 04/08/25 1:00:40 AM #29:	I half expect Trump to just ban all trade with China at this rate --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:984640306] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>I half expect Trump to just ban all trade with China at this rate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 04/08/25 1:32:08 AM #30:	Tyranthraxus posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg America be like - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abbli2PD2NU --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:984640436] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c9a9f9c.jpg</quote>America be like - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abbli2PD2NU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/08/25 1:44:01 AM #31:	wanderingshade posted... America be like - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abbli2PD2NU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZyDugPd8s --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:984640498] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>America be like - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abbli2PD2NU</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZyDugPd8s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HojoojoH_2 04/08/25 2:09:39 AM #32:	Strider102 posted... Just think. All of this could have been avoided. Epic post, my brother. Protip: you can just keep copy and pasting this everyday, for every administration, until the site goes dark. --- United front will see us through <cite>HojoojoH_2 posted [p:984640619] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite><quote>Just think. All of this could have been avoided.</quote>Epic post, my brother.Protip: you can just keep copy and pasting this everyday, for every administration, until the site goes dark. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC 04/08/25 2:37:43 AM #33:	Rika_Furude posted... If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line This. I actually kinda hope he stays the course with this and everyone else calls his bluff. Because he'd never back down (that would make him look weak), and his corporate backers will get pissed. --- I am the infinite stairwell between integers. <cite>DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted [p:984640727] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite><quote>If anything is capable of getting trump out of office, its pissing off the mega corps and hurting their bottom line</quote>This. I actually kinda hope he stays the course with this and everyone else calls his bluff. Because he'd never back down (that would make him look weak), and his corporate backers will get pissed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 04/08/25 6:57:53 AM #34:	" The USTR plan would also mandate that a portion of US exports be carried on US-flagged and, eventually, US-built vessels." Just this would fuck us up and it isn't anywhere near the worst thing mentioned. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:984641600] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>"The USTR plan would also mandate that a portion of US exports be carried on US-flagged and, eventually, US-built vessels." Just this would fuck us up and it isn't anywhere near the worst thing mentioned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 04/08/25 7:08:55 AM #35:	chaos_knight posted... I half expect Trump to just ban all trade with China at this rate Except for his hats. Those would be the exception to the policy. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:984641645] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>I half expect Trump to just ban all trade with China at this rate</quote>Except for his hats. Those would be the exception to the policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 04/08/25 8:15:17 AM #36:	kiwimyweewee posted... The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so. Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway. They cant survive a bad quarter, the whole corporation system is based on it. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:984641951] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>kiwimyweewee posted... </cite><quote>The thing is is that they can definitely shelter these losses if they think they can ultimately win in the end. They certainly have the resources to do so.Also if they break enough they'll probably get a bailout anyway.</quote>They cant survive a bad quarter, the whole corporation system is based on it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 04/08/25 9:01:44 AM #37:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... They cant survive a bad quarter, the whole corporation system is based on it. Yeah, I don't see the massive corporate structure of America taking multiple quarters of unmitigated disaster lightly. --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:984642260] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite><quote>They cant survive a bad quarter, the whole corporation system is based on it.</quote>Yeah, I don't see the massive corporate structure of America taking multiple quarters of unmitigated disaster lightly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 04/08/25 9:06:14 AM #38:	man wants a great depression <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:984642286] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>man wants a great depression</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St0rmFury 04/08/25 9:07:21 AM #39:	WingsOfGood posted... man wants a great depression The most beautiful depression. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) <cite>St0rmFury posted [p:984642297] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>man wants a great depression</quote>The most beautiful depression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kiwimyweewee 04/08/25 9:14:35 AM #40:	...were some of you not alive during 2007-2009? --- The low hanging fruit must be plucked. <cite>kiwimyweewee posted [p:984642353] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>...were some of you not alive during 2007-2009?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 04/08/25 9:18:08 AM #41:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/87365b36.jpg --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:984642378] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/87365b36.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 04/08/25 9:22:39 AM #42:	kiwimyweewee posted... ...were some of you not alive during 2007-2009? I mean, I was but politics wasn't exactly at the forefront of my interests also I was still in high school --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:984642420] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>kiwimyweewee posted... </cite><quote>...were some of you not alive during 2007-2009?</quote>I mean, I was but politics wasn't exactly at the forefront of my interests also I was still in high school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 04/08/25 3:17:57 PM #43:	HojoojoH_2 posted... Epic post, my brother. Protip: you can just keep copy and pasting this everyday, *for every administration*, until the site goes dark. "Both sides!" --- The republican party cheered nazi salutes on stage. The American experiment is over. We failed. <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:984646368] in US could f... [t:80963576]...</cite> <quote>HojoojoH_2 posted... </cite><quote>Epic post, my brother.Protip: you can just keep copy and pasting this everyday, for every administration, until the site goes dark.</quote>"Both sides!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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