Current Events > Trump Is Torpedoing the Dollar. You Don't Want to Know What Happens Next.

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 6:33:57 AM
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From soaring loans to higher prices to shifting global alliances, a faltering dollar could reshape the economic order.

https://slate.com/business/2025/04/trump-tariffs-trade-war-us-dollar-fall-stock-market.html

For decades, American consumers, global investors, and international traders could interact productively in a shared economic order thanks to their mutual trust in one powerful instrument: the United States dollar. In the aftermath of the Great Depression, when nations wisely stopped backing their currencies with gold and the U.S. cemented its position as the globes economic steward, the dollar became the worlds reserve currency, a sturdy venue for value storage, for trade, for the circulation of cash. Anyone could buy U.S. debt through long- and short-term bonds issued by the Treasury Department, with reasonable assurance that such investments were safe and guaranteed. In turn, the States benefited from this hegemony, which granted it economic power over other nations. In spite of diplomatic conflicts, in spite of whipsawing interest rates, in spite of U.S.-born economic crises that wracked the entire world, the stability of the dollar remained the core engine of commerce, the determinant of the New World Order. And, for the most part, it was good (for us).

Now, thanks to President Donald Trump, the dollars reliability and world-leading position are no longer sacrosanct. And the consequences of this possible shift are staggeringpotentially catastrophic.

When the stock market began plunging last week in response to Trumps eye-watering Liberation Day tariffs, economist Adam Tooze warned that the right charts to follow werent those trading indices, but the bond markets. Throughout the month, you could spot a grim indicator there: Tariff announcements usually boost the value of the dollar, because higher import taxes (priced in dollars) tend to weaken other countries currency valuations and spending power. But this time, it was the dollar that weakened in the aftermath of Liberation Day. Normally, traders would attempt to preserve their money by selling off their stocks at a good pricehence, the market crashand then put that revenue into safer, longer-term investments, like Treasury bonds (i.e., U.S. dollars). This time, however, traders were also selling off their Treasury holdings, a sign that they were nervous about the U.S. economy. Yields from 10-year bonds reached their highest level in years, something that only tends to happen in moments of economic crisis. At a time of already high interest rates, elevated yields make so many parts of the everyday economybank loans, mortgages, personal credit, insuranceso much more cost-prohibitive than theyd already been.

Peeking behind the trading desks, the Financial Times noted that international hedge funds and asset managers have been selling off their Treasury holdings in order to reduce their exposure to riskand, in some cases, pivoting to physical cash holdings instead. And, despite widespread speculation, countries like Japan have not been dumping their Treasury holdings en massewhich is a relief, since its one of the single biggest foreign holders of U.S. dollars. Had that been the case, panic would have been warranted.

Nevertheless, concerns remain. The overall selloff in both 10- and 30-year Treasurys has continued well into this week, persisting in its worst rout since the pandemic crash. (Although, to be very clear, it is not anywhere near as bad as that moment.) The 30-year Treasury yield reached levels it hadnt seen since the late-1980s stock market crash; the 10-year yield is at levels unseen since the Great Recession. Plus, Japan has been reducing some of its Treasury holdings throughout the year, albeit graduallynot with the type of sudden overnight dumps we saw this week. And China (the single largest foreign Treasurys holder) recently directed state-level banks to hold off on purchasing more dollars, according to Reuters. With the continued yield rise weve seen this Friday morning, theres no reason to believe basis traders are done offloading their Treasurys.

On a broader scale, theres investor skittishness over any U.S.-linked assets and securities. The dollar no longer commands the overwhelming share of global reserves that it did just two decades ago; the shift from public Treasury stashes toward more privatized holdings (like hedge funds) opens up the entire enterprise to more market volatility. Foreign currencies are faring better than U.S. Treasurys and may become more attractive investment options, as European, Chinese, Japanese, and Australian currencies earn bullish forecasts. Deutsche Bank warned in an investment note on Wednesday that various financial entities and banks are divesting from U.S. dollars, paving a path toward uncharted territory.

There have been hints at global dollar bearishness for a few years now. As I noted late last year, the economic shock of the COVID recession led various nations to stock up on gold reserves in their central banks as a hedge against the dollar. That international gold rush persisted in the aftermath of Donald Trumps reelection, as trading partners (very reasonably, it turns out!) looked to safe havens that were not the U.S. dollar. Considering the diplomatic chaos of Trumps last term, and the campaign-trail rhetoric that showed he clearly didnt understand anything about tariffs, there was no reason for anyone, anywhere, to believe that the U.S. would remain a stable area for long-term investment.

And it wasnt just tariffs that the world had to worry aboutit was a bit of everything. Economic relations with the U.S. have now grown increasingly unstable, unreliable, and unappealing, as Trumps diplomatic and financial policy leaves everyone uncertain of where they stand. It doesnt help that Trump prematurely canceled all that international aid, completely undermining any trust remaining in basic American contracts.

By February, asset managers were telling the Bank of America that they would much rather turn to internationally based companies and gold bars instead of American stocks. Continentwide stock bullishness made European stocks a good deal, and widespread hostility toward the U.S. inspired Goldman Sachs to compile a thorough report on how boycotts of American brands were spreading far beyond just Canada. One popular Dutch researcher even told European business owners to stop storing their virtual data in American cloud servers.

Whats even more terrifying is that the Trump administrations actions come across to Deutsche Bank and other analysts as a purposeful tanking of the dollar. The attacks on the Federal Reserves independence and threats to replace Jerome Powell are scary enoughthe prospect of the mad king let loose with the central bank. But in a report from last month, Bloomberg noted a maddening contradiction within Trumps campaign statements: Trump has said he wants to maintain the dollars central role globally, once threatening to retaliate against any country that tries to decouple its trade from the US currency. At the same time, during his campaign he indicated hed welcome a weaker dollar because it would make US products more competitive.

And then theres the infamous Mar-a-Lago Accord. Stephen Miran, a crypto-friendly asset manager who now heads Trumps Council of Economic Advisers, wrote a paper last November that advocated for purposefully weakening the dollar and using the threat of tariffs to get other countries to spend more on American factories and outputs, at a lower cost, over the long haul. (He recently doubled down on this.)

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 6:35:34 AM
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Thats not gonna work. Arm-twisting other nations into devaluing the dollar would completely destabilize the world economic order, throwing the entire system into chaos until international diplomacy settled on a new, trusted reserve-currency alternative. Also, the bullying wouldnt be effective. China has already been dealing with belligerent trade policy from Bidens term and Trumps first go-round, and the East Asian giant is now far better equipped to withstand an aggressive trade war with the U.S. than anyone in the Trump administration realizes.

Truly, there are no adults in the room now. Cabinet members are pretending everything is fine; the House of Representatives just passed a massive, ill-advised tax cut; the Project 2025 goons whove been guiding this administration have already written that they want to return to the ruinous gold standard.

Per various insider reports, it was the yippy bond-market freakouts that led Trump to back off on his higher reciprocal tariffs, even as he raised duties against China and kept other, lower universal tariffs in place. Still, Treasury holders are clearly not assuaged, and theyve been antsy for years at this point. Should the U.S. dollar lose its potency, this country would face an unprecedented financial crisis. If you thought recent inflation was bad, just wait until you have to deal with a system where no one wants to even touch the dollar because theres no global faith left, plunging it into near-worthlessness. No gold stashes or governmental cryptocurrency reserves would save us.

Were not there yet. Hopefully we never will get there. But Ill leave the last word to Adam Tooze: For life to continue anything like normally, this narrative must remain, to a degree, a fear rather than a reality.

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 6:37:13 AM
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Hello, hyperinflation... should this come to pass.

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Enclave
04/12/25 6:57:38 AM
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A lot of the stability you see in the USD is because it's the world's reserve currency, the States being as unstable as it is now? That could easily change.

I remember saying this could happen during Trump's first term and people would often blow it off as fear mongering. Well, look at what happens when the world can't trust the US government to honour its deals and can just fall to lunacy after an election.

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wackyteen
04/12/25 7:17:24 AM
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I already know what happens next.

What I don't know, is if the rich and mighty are willing to put up with this and step in to put the world order back in to place as was or if they're willing to gamble on trying to reform the world order.

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superbot400
04/12/25 8:13:31 AM
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screw the voters who rewarded this moron with power.

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CobraGT
04/12/25 8:21:48 AM
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The rich and mighty? Marxist economists claim that the rich and mighty have been frightened ever since 70% of American workers want a union.

When you are not of the rich and mighty, a flourishing ecomomy gives you confidence. This is a them vs us situation. They need control of the economy now and forever. A flourishing economy does not cut it for them.

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chaos_knight
04/12/25 8:27:27 AM
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If the dollar does get ditched and the economy is forever destroyed, I can see the Mad King just flinging nukes to the countries he blames did this.

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Funkydog
04/12/25 8:36:26 AM
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Alright, I won't read the topic in that case.

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NeonPhoenix
04/12/25 8:38:06 AM
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Why Is The Topic Title Written In All Caps?

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Tanthalas
04/12/25 8:42:52 AM
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NeonPhoenix posted...
Why Is The Topic Title Written In All Caps?
THAT'S NOT ALL CAPS.

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 8:46:06 AM
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NeonPhoenix posted...
Why Is The Topic Title Written In All Caps?

That's how a title is written in English. Only prepositions are not capitalized.

Have you never written any sort of paper before in your life?!?

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NeonPhoenix
04/12/25 8:46:37 AM
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Tanthalas posted...
THAT'S NOT ALL CAPS.
lT'S CLOSE ENOUGH!

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NeonPhoenix
04/12/25 8:47:08 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
That's how a title is written in English. Only prepositions are not capitalized.

Have you never written any sort of paper before in your life?!?
Bro, this isnt a paper. It's a topic on a videogame message board. No need to be fancy

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
04/12/25 2:11:38 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
That's how a title is written in English. Only prepositions are not capitalized.

Have you never written any sort of paper before in your life?!?
Isn't "is" a preposition?

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 2:12:55 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Isn't "is" a preposition?

No, it IS a verb.

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WingsOfGood
04/12/25 2:14:59 PM
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guys Trump has a plan!

HAVE faith

like faith in the messiah
Trump is the saviour!
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Dungeater
04/12/25 2:15:53 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Have you never written any sort of paper before in your life?!?
why are you asking this with such emphatic shock

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mybbqrules
04/12/25 2:24:12 PM
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Boy, if only she had earned our votes.

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Tyranthraxus
04/12/25 2:40:30 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
If the dollar does get ditched and the economy is forever destroyed, I can see the Mad King just flinging nukes to the countries he blames did this.
IMF will switch to Euro


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GrandConjuraton
04/12/25 2:41:31 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
guys Trump has a plan!

HAVE faith

like faith in the messiah
Trump is the saviour!
I want the real messiah, not an orange counterfeit, :/

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CobraGT
04/12/25 2:55:09 PM
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Dungeater posted...
why are you asking this with such emphatic shock

Knowledge is power. It is disturbing to see parts of CE missing out.

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Dungeater
04/12/25 3:44:02 PM
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CobraGT posted...
Knowledge is power. It is disturbing to see parts of CE missing out.
no but i mean like, the tone doesnt match. it comes off like freaking out

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Euripides
04/12/25 3:52:42 PM
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Only way he's going to get his face on currency is to tank the dollar to the point that we need 1 trillion dollar bills

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 4:52:19 PM
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Dungeater posted...
why are you asking this with such emphatic shock

Because everyone had to go through public schools?

And in public schools, from middle school onwards to high school, English class required students to write papers?

So if they don't recognize this, it may be that the person never went to school...

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DrizztLink
04/12/25 4:58:39 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Because everyone had to go through public schools?

And in public schools, from middle school onwards to high school, English class required students to write papers?

So if they don't recognize this, it may be that the person never went to school...
Or they were schooled in a language other than English.

Or they were wondering why you capitalized "is," which is unpredictably capitalized under many style guides.

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Dungeater
04/12/25 5:52:31 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Because everyone had to go through public schools?

And in public schools, from middle school onwards to high school, English class required students to write papers?

So if they don't recognize this, it may be that the person never went to school...
so upon reaching the thought someone may not have been schooled, u freak out?

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Tom_Joad
04/12/25 9:26:44 PM
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Dungeater posted...
so upon reaching the thought someone may not have been schooled, u freak out?

You don't want to talk about the article? If CaPiTaLiZaTiOn is your bag, make a topic about it.

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tripleh213
04/12/25 9:55:43 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1377fdb2.jpg

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Dungeater
04/12/25 10:09:03 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
You don't want to talk about the article? If CaPiTaLiZaTiOn is your bag, make a topic about it.
im not talking about capitalization...

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divot1338
04/12/25 10:20:13 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Isn't "is" a preposition?
Its a passive verb. That would be capitalized in a headline if this were one but they typically discourage them.

Its considered a sign of bad writing and would be reworded. The writer would be obviously also be fired.

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