Current Events > Could you pass physical fitness test to be an ICE agent?

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"I did 100 pull ups in high school and everybody watched" is the kind of thing somebody who probably hasn't done pull ups would say, because it'd seem like a big number that isn't that wild.

HashtagSEP posted...

"I did 100 pull ups in high school and everybody watched" is the kind of thing somebody who probably hasn't done pull ups would say, because it'd seem like a big number that isn't that wild.

Lol, yeah, what a crock of shit. That's like elite level shit bordering on world record stuff. Nobody casually just rips out 100 pull ups especially because that'd probably be like a good 20+ minutes. Gym teacher is going to tell you to stop at some point.

I do like the mental image of people running through the halls and picking their heads in classes like "hey, you hear? Vyce is cranking out some pullups in the gym!" and people running to go watch.

Yes.

No, but knowing that the physical requirements immediately disqualify 80% of Americans is somewhat uplifting.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

No fucking way ICE Agents can do this

Half of them can barely run at all

Maybe its a new requirement after looking at their current lardasses lol

BigMeatyClaws posted...

This thread is laughable. 80% of people would fail 22 pushups in 1 minute(if these are even real statistics)

Yeah 22 push ups in sixty seconds is no joke.

22 push-ups really is not a lot and it's far easier to do fast push-ups than slow ones because of the stretch-reflex effect at the bottom.

If the average Joe busted out 22 push-ups in front of me, I'd be mildly impressed and compliment them but it wouldn't be anything close to unbelievable.

Genetics and the composition of slow twitch vs fast twitch muscle fibers also makes a huge difference. Some people are naturally slow but can do reps for days.

Yes easily. But I never would. Fuck ICE

Those numbers seem like a joke, but explain a lot.

Yes, I can pass.

I'm 47 and I can do that, but I'm not a fatass drug addict who defends pedophiles.

Nope.

I might be able to do the situps. I was pretty good at them not that long ago. Did 200 consecutively sometime last decade. Of course, I'm now older and out of practice, so that's a maybe.

But the rest, no, I cannot.

the "run" is more like a brisk walk but I'm very skeptical I'd manage the pushups
edit: nvm I'm dumb for some reason I was thinking km instead of miles it's more of an actual run than I thought

kirbymuncher posted...

the "run" is more like a brisk walk but I'm very skeptical I'd manage the pushups

You briskly walk at 6mph?

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

You briskly walk at 6mph?

I got tricked by american measurements <_<

kirbymuncher posted...

I got tricked by american measurements <_<

Ah, yeah 1.5 km in 15 minutes is about right for a brisk walk.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

You briskly walk at 6mph?

It's very brisk.

The run breaks down to 9:40 per mile. Thats not any kind of brisk walk.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

You briskly walk at 6mph?

https://youtu.be/JVBN7NAIrfg?si=Fis_mRnRo6NSvv46

I easily outdo this daily.

You know now that you mention it, 22 pushups in 1 minute is just going to promote terrible form. And they definitely arent going to be slow, in control, 3 seconds down, 3 seconds hold, 3 seconds up.

I could do the sprint and run requirements.

But Push-Ups and Sit-Ups are terrible. Can barely do the former as is (can't do pull-ups period) and my core burns after 10+ sit-ups. Heck, someone got mad at me once due to not being able to do 20-25 (exact number escapes me) sit-ups without a break as part of cross-country training. No idea why sit-ups were a part of it when it is supposed to be long-distance running mind you.

And I'm not overweight unlike a large % of the country.

Wouldn't join ICE anyway though even if I could meet the requirements.

VRX3000 posted...

You know now that you mention it, 22 pushups in 1 minute is just going to promote terrible form. And they definitely arent going to be slow, in control, 3 seconds down, 3 seconds hold, 3 seconds up.

You can easily do 22 pushups with military form in a minute, if you have mild/moderate upper body strength.

All the way down, break the plane, push back up til full extension, one. Rinse, repeat.

Woeful_Nienna posted...

No idea why sit-ups were a part of it when it is supposed to be long-distance running mind you.

Core strength is crucial for running, we did sit-ups every day when I ran cross country.

orangefire25 posted...

Yeah 22 push ups in sixty seconds is no joke.

Yes it is.
DrizztLink posted...

It's very brisk.

It's a brisk walk, plus some light jogging.

Probably not as I am now. I probably could with a fairly minimal amount of training though.

wackyteen posted...

You can easily do 22 pushups with military form in a minute, if you have mild/moderate upper body strength.

All the way down, break the plane, push back up til full extension, one. Rinse, repeat.

proper controlled form results in 1 push-up being 9 seconds long. That would be 3 minutes and 18 seconds, not counting any natural pauses someone could do

basically, none of these tests promote slow, controlled movements. None of it promotes time under tension. This is just promoting shortcuts in form.

Vengeance29 posted...

Probably not as I am now. I probably could with a fairly minimal amount of training though.

It isn't scary standards.

I'm over 50, and that's easily achievable stuff (I quite understand that others have picked up injuries or conditions, got more than a few issues and twinges myself, just not enough that these minimal conditions would present much of an obstacle).

Of course, the youngsters ought to do much, much better. It's a not unreasonable base fitness level tbh.

Still wouldn't want to join the organisation obviously.

VRX3000 posted...

proper controlled form results in 1 push-up being 9 seconds long. That would be 3 minutes and 18 seconds, not counting any natural pauses someone could do

basically, none of these tests promote slow, controlled movements. None of it promotes time under tension. This is just promoting shortcuts in form.

Well what constitutes a full pushup is always up for debate.

But since the adjudication is generally the opinion of the PTI staff, I'd suggest not pissing them off.

Otherwise your count may be, 1, not low enough, 1, still not there, 1,1,1 etc

VRX3000 posted...

proper controlled form results in 1 push-up being 9 seconds long. That would be 3 minutes and 18 seconds, not counting any natural pauses someone could do

basically, none of these tests promote slow, controlled movements. None of it promotes time under tension. This is just promoting shortcuts in form.

Idk what world you come from where a push up is supposed to take 3 seconds down, 3 seconds of a hold and then 3 seconds up.

The idea is to keep pushing.

I could do pushups for like 10 minutes if i got a 3 second break every 6 seconds, lol

VRX3000 posted...

proper controlled form results in 1 push-up being 9 seconds long. That would be 3 minutes and 18 seconds, not counting any natural pauses someone could do

basically, none of these tests promote slow, controlled movements. None of it promotes time under tension. This is just promoting shortcuts in form.

...I don't think I've ever heard a push-up should take 9 seconds long. That sounds like you're holding for way too long.

EDIT: I did a Google search to see if there was some popular workout plan that had 9 second pushups that I was unaware of, and I can't find anything at all even close to that. Where did you hear this?

I could do the 1.5 mile one if were running downhill!

Okay so the first thing I found that wasnt AI generated was from a place called gymshark. Never heard of the website before, but its reiterating what Ive already known from wrestling training.

copy and paste below:

• Slower is better: This isnt a race: Perform your push ups in a slow and controlled manner to maximise muscle activation. Taking things slower will mean you fatigue less quickly, so you can perform more reps and make greater strength gains. If you find regular push ups too easy, then try one of our push up progressions.

end copy and paste.

it appears the slow pushups are more prevalent in body building and weight lifting just from a cursory glance of google.

same thing applies to pull ups. No flopping. No kicking your legs. None of that stuff because then your using other muscles instead of the ones youre supposed to be using for the exercise. Hang still, pull straight up. Hold. Slowly go back down.

VRX3000 posted...

it appears the slow pushups are more prevalent in body building and weight lifting just from a cursory glance of google.

Which makes sense in the context of building (bigger) muscle, but in the purview of a test of strength/general athleticism (which all (pseudo-)military fitness tests are), it wouldn't make sense, logistical or otherwise, to have slow, muscle building pushups as the standard.

Combat, or the physical altercations/engagements that ICE gets up to, is adrenaline filled and can require quick movement or repetitive physical exertion that won't be slow/methodical. That doesn't mean the tests should be without any sort of pre-set form or standard or involve motion that would inflict injury, but the general idea is to put you through your paces to exhaust you and test your resolve and physical strength through that exhaustion.

The running requirements are brisk walking interspersed with jogging. Source: I used to regularly walk 10 miles and have done 15 before at a pace well below 20 minutes per mile, which is what I timed myself at. I have asthma and can't run effectively but even I could pass this.

I can't run. If they subbed those requirements with more strenuous swimming requirements I could do it.

I feel like the only remotely "maybe" for me in that test is the 1.5 mile run, but if I really wanted to I would be able to eke it out.

VRX3000 posted...

Okay so the first thing I found that wasnt AI generated was from a place called gymshark. Never heard of the website before, but its reiterating what Ive already known from wrestling training.

copy and paste below:

* Slower is better: This isnt a race: Perform your push ups in a slow and controlled manner to maximise muscle activation. Taking things slower will mean you fatigue less quickly, so you can perform more reps and make greater strength gains. If you find regular push ups too easy, then try one of our push up progressions.
end copy and paste.

it appears the slow pushups are more prevalent in body building and weight lifting just from a cursory glance of google.

same thing applies to pull ups. No flopping. No kicking your legs. None of that stuff because then your using other muscles instead of the ones youre supposed to be using for the exercise. Hang still, pull straight up. Hold. Slowly go back down.

Now that'd make sense, because the point of body building is to build muscle, period, no matter what it means for cardio or anything else, so holding pushups longer makes sense, there.

But that doesn't really apply outside of body building.

HashtagSEP posted...

Now that'd make sense, because the point of body building is to build muscle, period, no matter what it means for cardio or anything else, so holding pushups longer makes sense, there.

But that doesn't really apply outside of body building.

It makes sense to hold for a second just to keep form, but I agree a full three seconds seems excessive.