Board 8 > Mafia Discussion part WHO GIVES A FUCK - The Mafia God has returned to save you.

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DRINK IT IN MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.

Drink it in.
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I would like to add Japanese History Mafia to the end of the queue

I'll also need a balance checker later on when it's done so if anyone is down for that let me know!
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So this is just a survey but which kind of setup interests you the most by size

Minimal (13 players)
Golden Age (17 players)
Large (23 players)
2007 (29 players)

I have one that I am leaning towards but I expect signups to be massive for my game given the flavor is Phoenix Wright. Maybe. Who knows
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I'm going to be on vacation for three weeks after tomorrow. Plenty of time for active mafia, aside from going to GP Vegas.

Good host, good flavor, good player list one time dealer?
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I do enjoy the fact that my reform is still referred to as the 'Golden Age'
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VeryInsane posted...

2007 (29 players)

needs more players
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Mid 2012 to around the middle of 2013 is honestly my favorite time of mafia
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Biggest game I've played in was 45 players and that was a mess.

23 is nice.
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The "Golden Age" was probably the perfect game sizes.
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Tag. I don't have nearly the time to even consider playing mafia, but I can still enjoy other people playing and discussing it.
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Leo3L posted...

I'm going to be on vacation for three weeks after tomorrow. Plenty of time for active mafia, aside from going to GP Vegas.

Good host, good flavor, good player list one time dealer?

How you doing?

I got GoT4 ready for 17 players, but I'm going to wait a couple days before jumping in and posting sign ups. There was definitely at least one person ahead of me on the queue.
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Persona Mafia is in 'the queue' and the current setup is for 21 players. I have a smaller game prepared too as I know getting people can be hard, but I'm quite happy with what I currently have.
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THE QUEUE:
1. Mystery person who I may or may not be imagining
2. Suprak - A Feast For Crows (GoT4) Mafia - 17 players
3. Sceptile - Persona Mafia - 21 Players
4. VI - Phoenix Wright Mafia - All the players
5. MZero - Japanese History Mafia - ? Players
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I am the mystery person, but I'll pass FOR NOW.
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is mystery person me?
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I am ready to host whenever
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THE QUEUE:
1. Suprak - A Feast For Crows (GoT4) Mafia - 17 players
2. Sir Chris - I'm BACK Bitches Mafia (name subject to change) - ? Players
3. Arti - Ready to host whenever Mafia (name NOT subject to change) - ? Players
4. Sceptile - Persona Mafia - 21 Players
5. VI - Phoenix Wright Mafia - All the players
6. MZero - Japanese History Mafia - ? Players
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

is mystery person me?

I 100% cannot remember who it was in the last discussion topic that said they wanted to host before me. It might've been Chris (who is taking a pass) but I really don't remember.
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I want to experiment with a slow paced mafia game at some point in the future
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It wouldn't work on Board 8 imo, but they are fun.
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It can be called Everybody is Lurker Mafia
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Well the reason why I am thinking about it is a lot of people don't play anymore due to bad work schedules so by loosening activity rules those players can get to play again if they so choose. Plus it's a format that isn't really tried on board 8. The other experimental format is actually speeding up the game to 24 hour days

(Granted there are other reasons why those players aren't playing but drama is well, drama)
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I hosted slow paced once, for that same reason.

People signed up for it just because it was there, even though they didn't actually want a slow paced game. So like half the players wanted slow-paced and half just signed up even though they were already playing in the current 48/24 game.

It went so slow that no one really cared, from what I remember.

That isn't to discourage you, just saying I'd avoid the pitfall of including players that don't actually want slow-paced. And this was years ago, so it may be different now.

A good middle ground might be to have the days shorten over the course of the game. Maybe D1 can start at 5 days and then take off 24 hrs on following days until back to 48 hrs.
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I want to say I have been on the winning side of all the got games

Suprak what's everyone's records for your series
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I think short day 1's are a good thing, infact I'd actually make them 24 hour affairs personally and then slow the game down afterwards, lengthy day 1s stagnate hard as town goes round in circles with no info to go on... and scum have to push their agenda against an unmoved group of molasses.
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Delseban posted...

That isn't to discourage you, just saying I'd avoid the pitfall of including players that don't actually want slow-paced. And this was years ago, so it may be different now.

I will keep this in mind, it's just a format that I think has some potential now that most of us are older and don't have time for standard 48 hour days
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Day 1 only get lengthy because of people whining about day 1 and not doing anything.

I love day 1.
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My Immortal posted...

Day 1 only get lengthy because of people whining about day 1 and not doing anything.

I love day 1.

Same but many people don't and if we want to improve overall games, playing to the communities strengths is part of that I think. Besides give someone an inch and they'll take a mile, the longer you make day 1 the more bluster there is.
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My Immortal posted...

Day 1 only get lengthy because of people whining about day 1 and not doing anything.

I love day 1.

Yeah, same. It's the beginning and takes the place of the game. It's not impossible to find scum so easily

Which reminds me: Night 0 is awful
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N0 kills is obviously the territory of garbage-tier games, but even having people come into D1 with info like in eaed's game wasn't great. So I agree that N0 is not the sign of a good game.
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Day 1 is p. alright because at the very least it provides information for the following days based on voting and argument patterns and the like.
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smaller games are so much better
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Suprak the Stud posted...

THE QUEUE:
1. Suprak - A Feast For Crows (GoT4) Mafia - 17 players
2. Sir Chris - I'm BACK Bitches Mafia (name subject to change) - ? Players
3. Arti - Ready to host whenever Mafia (name NOT subject to change) - ? Players
4. Sceptile - Persona Mafia - 21 Players
5. VI - Phoenix Wright Mafia - All the players
6. MZero - Japanese History Mafia - ? Players
7. Suprak/MI/IGCD's - Illuminati Mafia (as long as you guys think it looks good) - 17 players

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neonreaper posted...

smaller games are so much better

^

I think 13 is the ideal game size for mafia in a lot of ways tbh
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I like larger games more as I feel more invested in the outcome. Though a small, low-power game is certainly a better test of skill.
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The primary advantage to larger games (imo) is that the host has a lot more freedom in setup design, especially with respect to using power roles. Smaller numbers are better for achieving objective balance, but they're also restrictive because if you try to do something abnormal you're probably not going to be able to effectively compensate with fewer roles.

Of course, as a player, my experience is that smaller games are more focused and easier to get into while bigger games are completely full of noise, things get lost in the shuffle, and players seem encouraged to skate by on minimum effort until the game thins out
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@Nanahara715 was the mystery person wanting to host an RPG mafia

@pjbasis also mentioned having a game ready
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I'm all for 24 hour day 1.

Also want to do something to really discourage players ending the day without a vote since that's essentially just existing in the game without actually playing. Not sure what a good answer is for that though.
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bng_mmmk posted...

I'm all for 24 hour day 1.

Also want to do something to really discourage players ending the day without a vote since that's essentially just existing in the game without actually playing. Not sure what a good answer is for that though.

What if when you ended the day without a vote down, you got to save it for the next day and became a double voter.
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Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

I'm all for 24 hour day 1.

Also want to do something to really discourage players ending the day without a vote since that's essentially just existing in the game without actually playing. Not sure what a good answer is for that though.

What if when you ended the day without a vote down, you got to save it for the next day and became a double voter.

Scum would abuse that too heavily.
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That sounds like the exact opposite of what he wanted.
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Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

I'm all for 24 hour day 1.

Also want to do something to really discourage players ending the day without a vote since that's essentially just existing in the game without actually playing. Not sure what a good answer is for that though.

What if when you ended the day without a vote down, you got to save it for the next day and became a double voter.

In addition to what Chris said, this rewards that play, instead of punishing it. Silly on every level.
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also literally unbalanceable


hi guys
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Traveling the next week so no game from me!
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@Terra-enforcer I'm going downtown tonight for an art show - you around?
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I'm not going to play again until after I move
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I'm not going to play again ever
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I was thinking, you could use PW Mafia as an opportunity to get really crazy. What I was thinking was, it's not really in flavor for PW to say 'well my opponent was making a good case, so I shanked him before the trial'. I'd be interested in a very different setup. I was thinking something like No Nightkills, or even No Nights. You could have all days where people can talk freely. Alternate between Investigation and Trial, where investigation is no voting but still discussion + certain day powers, and then voting during Trial. Maybe even mechanics like Objection which is a brief (30 mins?) duel between two players where people can vote on the winner to have them gain some kind of advantage. Maybe vote thiefing the loser.

Just a bunch of odd ideas for the flavor.
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