Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 11- Winter needs to come faster

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red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

There's some major cognitive dissonance going on with Red right now that makes me certain he's just trying to sow confusion

Nanahara715 posted...

With all the bussing shenanigans that MI has claimed, I would be shocked if he was just a straight up roleblocker.

So my guess is that you are the roleblocker.

As such, I would rather lynch you than MI today, to allow Leo access to Death's scan, which may or may not help.

Furthermore, there's a risk that MI is actually a full time psychic, based on his claim, so scum may already know who Death scanned

This doesn't respond.
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You literally accused me of trying to spread confusion. I linked a post where you went off the deep end of confusion causing(Sorry I tried to think of a better way to state this I failed)
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red13n posted...

You literally accused me of trying to spread confusion. I linked a post where you went off the deep end of confusion causing(Sorry I tried to think of a better way to state this I failed)

And you can respectfully shove that up your ass.

For the THIRD FUCKING TIME IN THIS GAME:

"YOUR opinion on whether or not the role make sense sense means FUCKALL when a host has used that role similarly in a previous game."

Suprak has had games with full psychics who had additional abilities. Saying that postulating that is "whatever" means LITERALLY NKTHING when Suprak has used a Role like that before
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MI, I've asked you this before, but why were you upfront with your night actions?

1. Claiming the busdrive to no benefit
2. Claiming the track with no benefit on doomed scum


Now, the problem with the first two is that it does nothing to attract the scum blocker or night kill to yourself for #3, your psychic. Much like how BP town should make an effort to draw a night kill, you should have been turning yourself into even more of a neon spotlight than I have been this game.

If you get blocked, you're golden. If you're shot, you're eventually golden. Especially because I'm likely to recruit you to see what your third ability does.

Instead....you were completely ignored that night.

You can claim drunkeness, and you can claim the benefit of hindsight, but I just really, really want to know, if you're Town, what was going through your head all game. If you read the mason board, you'll see strategy planned days in advance. You're a great player and a smart guy. Show me your road map for this game.
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Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.
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red13n posted...

Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.

Literally Suprak has combined psychic with other roles before, this isn't even the first time this has been talked about this game.
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Hey Red, how would the ghost of Chris advise his team to psychologically neutralize you?
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Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.

Literally Suprak has combined psychic with other roles before, this isn't even the first time this has been talked about this game.

Did I argue against this? I'm basically saying we have no real reason to think this and you brought it up.
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red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.

Literally Suprak has combined psychic with other roles before, this isn't even the first time this has been talked about this game.

Did I argue against this? I'm basically saying we have no real reason to think this and you brought it up.

We have no real reason to consider a possibility that Scum Immy wasn't forthcoming with his abilities? Really? That's what you're saying?
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Hmm, thats a tough one leo. Give me just a moment and your question made me want to check something.
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I had to claim my abilities day 3 to hope to be targeted night 3. So despite not having any relevant info, claiming then was the right thing to do.

I didn't have a hard plan in place but when Stan claimed my N1 action was locked, bussing him to allow him to get off a scan.

I then came into D2 wanting to use my scan, so I sidnt claim the bus drive because I wouldn't have been psychic that night. Shad gave !even the perfect track target to verify his claim. You ask why I didn't track Nana but he was unclaimed at that point and with no flipped scum my chances with seeing him do the kill would've been slim. I will vehemently argue that tracking shad n2 was the correct play.

And claiming the bus wasn't pointless, people were questioning if there even was a bus or if it was a scum ploy. I wanted town to know.

Hell thinking about it I don't even know if in hindsight I would've picked my actions any different. I can't control the persistent modifier and I can't control that you could confirm with Stan that shad was lying and I can't control scum being more worried about you and death than me. My choices were solid.
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Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.

Literally Suprak has combined psychic with other roles before, this isn't even the first time this has been talked about this game.

Did I argue against this? I'm basically saying we have no real reason to think this and you brought it up.

We have no real reason to consider a possibility that Scum Immy wasn't forthcoming with his abilities? Really? That's what you're saying?

I'm saying at this point I think most of us have come to the conclusion that speculating on supraks game is dumb and we were idiots. But you decided to go with a very specific option for whatever reason.
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My Immortal posted...

I had to claim my abilities day 3 to hope to be targeted night 3. So despite not having any relevant info, claiming then was the right thing to do.

I didn't have a hard plan in place but when Stan claimed my N1 action was locked, bussing him to allow him to get off a scan.

I then came into D2 wanting to use my scan, so I sidnt claim the bus drive because I wouldn't have been psychic that night. Shad gave !even the perfect track target to verify his claim. You ask why I didn't track Nana but he was unclaimed at that point and with no flipped scum my chances with seeing him do the kill would've been slim. I will vehemently argue that tracking shad n2 was the correct play.

And claiming the bus wasn't pointless, people were questioning if there even was a bus or if it was a scum ploy. I wanted town to know.

Hell thinking about it I don't even know if in hindsight I would've picked my actions any different. I can't control the persistent modifier and I can't control that you could confirm with Stan that shad was lying and I can't control scum being more worried about you and death than me. My choices were solid.

My problem is that you were honest. You did nothing to make yourself seem like a threat that needed to be targeted.

I'm talking about your actions during the day phase, here. I'm not saying you have to go full Corrik and claim a fake track on someone (though that would be good), but you could have easily just said something to make scum worry about your third power.
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red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Your literally pulling shit out of your ass and claiming its a suprak game so its ok. You did it to KBM so I guess i'll do it for you. Needed one of your teammates to give you that argument, didnt you?

Because you could have responded to that like that a long time ago and didnt until now.

Literally Suprak has combined psychic with other roles before, this isn't even the first time this has been talked about this game.

Did I argue against this? I'm basically saying we have no real reason to think this and you brought it up.

We have no real reason to consider a possibility that Scum Immy wasn't forthcoming with his abilities? Really? That's what you're saying?

I'm saying at this point I think most of us have come to the conclusion that speculating on supraks game is dumb and we were idiots. But you decided to go with a very specific option for whatever reason.

That conclusion was certainly not reached, so maybe you're referencing something that y'all discussed on the scum board?

Immy is claiming actions. We can verify, through Leo via Boko, that a bus happened. Unless Immy is claiming YOUR action as his own and Immy is secret roleblocker, then you are roleblocker.

Obvious it would be disadvantageous to scum if Immy claimed a scummates action- if that scummate were lynched, it would make him look bad.

Thus, it's likely Immy executed the bus, leaving you to be the roleblocker.

Not sure why that's difficult.
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Leo3L posted...

Hey Red, how would the ghost of Chris advise his team to psychologically neutralize you?

I think he'd be telling them to let me go off to the point town doesn't believe me. He knows I can get rambly sometimes and that my own pushiness can turn people off of me. He almost certainly has wrangled nana in at this point(A "Stay the course" type of speech, well, text, was probably given somewhere at some point).

I'm sure hes got some more advice that I'm not thinking of.

If your wondering, I was checking if chris was actually online and capable of paying attention. Needed to login to bnet to check.

He most certainly is(Hes in karazhan in WoW, so I assuming hes doing mindless mythic+s)
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I've never been good at bluffing power unless I have something to back it up. I caught scum puns once with a bluff but got scared and backed off too easily and I bluffed town untargetable in a game where I was 1 time untargetable and scum knew that so they became too afraid to shoot me. I honestly cannot think of any other instances.

Bluffing as town has never been a strength of mine.
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I mean, "you can't control scum being more worried about me than Death and you" ?

That seems pretty damn achievable!

'Oh I have a track, a watch and a bus drive"

"I can stop Death from being roleblocked tonight so we'll get off one scan guaranteed teehee"

you get the idea. That's the one thing in your scenario you can control.
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Nanahara715 posted...

That conclusion was certainly not reached, so maybe you're referencing something that y'all discussed on the scum board?

Not specifically, but if you didn't get that from the wall of posts that I think VI posted of game setups then I don't know what to say(That was you that posted the old setups right VI? I don't mean to miscredit but I think it was you)
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red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

That conclusion was certainly not reached, so maybe you're referencing something that y'all discussed on the scum board?

Not specifically, but if you didn't get that from the wall of posts that I think VI posted of game setups then I don't know what to say(That was you that posted the old setups right VI? I don't mean to miscredit but I think it was you)

Way to casually ignore the rest of the post where I talk about why what I said made sense
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Leo3L posted...

I mean, "you can't control scum being more worried about me than Death and you" ?

That seems pretty damn achievable!

'Oh I have a track, a watch and a bus drive"

"I can stop Death from being roleblocked tonight so we'll get off one scan guaranteed teehee"

you get the idea. That's the one thing in your scenario you can control.

In my mind that would be transparent - why claim the watch if that's what I have.

It's a skill I openly admit I need to develop.

Oh I guess I just thought of another bluff, when I was a jack in Hamilton and only claimed gambler then you claimed Jack and I countered you.
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Nanahara715 posted...

red13n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

That conclusion was certainly not reached, so maybe you're referencing something that y'all discussed on the scum board?

Not specifically, but if you didn't get that from the wall of posts that I think VI posted of game setups then I don't know what to say(That was you that posted the old setups right VI? I don't mean to miscredit but I think it was you)

Way to casually ignore the rest of the post where I talk about why what I said made sense

just because you can justify something doesn't necessarily mean you werent trying to sow confusion. I can justify a lot of things in this game that would be completely untrue. I can make a good argument for just about anyone in this game being scum if I wanted to(Including a scenario where leo is scum, just for shits and giggles). It doesn't mean its something relevant to discussion.
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Move here:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75501551

Current votals:
Red[1]: Nana
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I don't mean good in the traditional sense mind you. I mean it in the "all of this logic actually follows even if its totally preposterous" type of way.
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

I mean, "you can't control scum being more worried about me than Death and you" ?

That seems pretty damn achievable!

'Oh I have a track, a watch and a bus drive"

"I can stop Death from being roleblocked tonight so we'll get off one scan guaranteed teehee"

you get the idea. That's the one thing in your scenario you can control.

In my mind that would be transparent - why claim the watch if that's what I have.

It's a skill I openly admit I need to develop.

Oh I guess I just thought of another bluff, when I was a jack in Hamilton and only claimed gambler then you claimed Jack and I countered you.

That's just one example.

You could have gone full super saiyan just to make scum want to shoot you. Instead, you just...slunk around.

I want to know why you didn't do more to draw a kill, even if you say you have no bluffing skills and no ideas to draw a roleblock.
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