Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 11- Winter needs to come faster

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Hey this one isn't a quote
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its true that Nana and Han were neck and neck for a while
but the Han disike was growing stronger over the course of the day
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htaeD posted...

its true that Nana and Han were neck and neck for a while
but the Han disike was growing stronger over the course of the day

I felt like han had been the set lynch for awhile. My vote was held as long as it was more to prevent an early hammer than anything.

I like to think I worked Han over pretty thoroughly but it's a good point. Is scum so demoralized that they let the day be scum/scum so easily? I mean they're only a mislynch or two from winning
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Han clearly felt it was in his best interest to not push hard.

The most fight he had was anger over leos role.

If the scum team was Red/Nana, it could have been town KBM mislynched over Han pretty easily.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?

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Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Leo3L posted...

If the scum team was Red/Nana, it could have been town KBM mislynched over Han pretty easily.

I mean, you just gun this, right? It's pretty defensible, who's going to be that mad KBM got mislynched?

3 vs 5, MYLO today, try to win on power paranoia?
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Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?

Scum should have had massive tracker/watcher fear going with ninja on their own team.

Leafeon13N posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.

Sure, but Ninja doesn't bypass protection.

We know (or are at least fairly confident) that Chris shot Stan directly. His first post about the bus driver was less than one minute after day was posted, which means he only had 14 minutes to fully formulate a fake vig claim on Puns. Speculation, but what's he going to do if there wasn't a bus drive?

Furthermore, Stan was the OBVIOUS watcher target. Is Chris so bold to straight up shoot claimed cop with a potential watcher on town?

Scum should have had massive tracker/watcher fear going with ninja on their own team.

Yes. Exactly. I have only played three games with Chris - are his balls big enough to straight up shoot the cop on night 1 with no other town power claimed?
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Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

That said, and we are back to where we were day 2 on this... Bus driver becomes super fucking convenient for scum.

Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Definitely. You have to take the shot there. Assuming they have a rber of course. You knock out a cop and if other power claims they are now rbd forever.

And you just eat a watcher claim and sac Chris?

Actually, if Immy is scum, there's no reason SHAd couldn't have killed Stan and Chris used his shot on Scare.

You've got a watcher all locked up now. Its the right trade as that is likely all of towns scanning power.

(watcher is an incredibly strong role. If you have watcher and cop in this game, that is basically the limit of towns full scanning power)

Also is MI gone? He shouldn't be letting us sit here feeding the fire like this.

And is KBM gone too? I dont like these convos with so few people and my time is dwindling

I'm charging up for a SPECIAL ATTACK
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I'm wondering, for those saying Nana is scum, who is his scum buddy
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You make me trust you less with statements like that VI.

Leo3L posted...

I'm charging up for a SPECIAL ATTACK

Damn it leo.

SPECIAL ATTACK:

I've finished re-reading the first three topics. I ended up focusing on the interactions between Han and KBM, or the lack thereof.

Definitely don't like VI for throwing extra non-committal wood on me.


Going to look at KBM again.


But really at this moment I am a little dumbfounded that Stan is continuing to skate by. He's been on enough people's lists and yet the only thing he's doing is asking me questions that I've already explained. That's not even a defense, that's a lazy "look I'm here"

- Han, topic 2, post 330

I like the theory that Scare was Scared.


Let's talk about KBM. Why do you all think KBM is Town. I don't see it.

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I'm big on first impressions and the first thing KBM did was say "I know everything thinks Nana is town, but I"m not seeing it.". I don't think scum-KBM would be contrary like that. It bought her a lot of points imo.

MI, 396

"Vengeful_KBM posted...
I reread Han's analysis of Stan's first topic posts and though it didn't totally convince me Stan is scum,

Han posted...
Like this, come on, total Scumbuddies."

Han, t3p278

TLDR:

Han calls KBM scum in the weakest possible way, doesn't pursue it, KBM never responds or acknowledges it, and most damningly they don't talk to each other at all.
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Leafeon13N posted...

And is KBM gone too? I dont like these convos with so few people and my time is dwindling

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Be back in full force in a couple hours, still need to cool off a bit before the end of the day (though I'll probably keep making posts here and there).

Did I seriously not respond to that? I seem to remember saying something about it.

Maybe it's in topic 4, but so far you and Han don't actually talk at each other directly
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Definitely don't like VI for throwing extra non-committal wood on me.

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VeryInsane posted...

I'm wondering, for those saying Nana is scum, who is his scum buddy

Red, MI, Death, or you, with an outside chance of Leo.

Basically Nana is the only sure bet for today. He's just spouting so many outright lies and not bothering to respond when I point them out. It's convinced Leo, apparently, so it's working.

VeryInsane posted...

Definitely don't like VI for throwing extra non-committal wood on me.

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That should be the first quoted line of Han's post from d1
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I'm wondering, for those saying Nana is scum, who is his scum buddy

Red, MI, Death, or you, with an outside chance of Leo.

Basically Nana is the only sure bet for today. He's just spouting so many outright lies and not bothering to respond when I point them out. It's convinced Leo, apparently, so it's working.

So basically I could be partnered with anyone except Puns.

The idea that I'm not responding to you is outrageous, I've responded to most if not all of your posts today.
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Well and Puns. Puns feels like such a sure thing that I forgot about him and thought I'd listed everybody else in the game.

Speaking of Puns, I'd love to see some up-to-date thoughts from him. Been radio silence there for an awful long time.

Leafeon13N posted...

Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I'm wondering, for those saying Nana is scum, who is his scum buddy

Red, MI, Death, or you, with an outside chance of Leo.

Basically Nana is the only sure bet for today. He's just spouting so many outright lies and not bothering to respond when I point them out. It's convinced Leo, apparently, so it's working.

Red, fine

For MI - you think he and Nana are determined to bus each other into the ground here?

For Death - You think scum has no roleblocker here?

For me - You think I'm recruiting an army of dead townies and then murdering my entire team and that's more likely than VI or Puns?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Well and Puns. Puns feels like such a sure thing that I forgot about him and thought I'd listed everybody else in the game.

Speaking of Puns, I'd love to see some up-to-date thoughts from him. Been radio silence there for an awful long time.

So. Basically, "Nana is scum and anyone could be his partner"?
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Leafeon13N posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Do you want the rest of my raw notes? That took three hours straight of work. No one fucking wrote it for me.

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Well and Puns. Puns feels like such a sure thing that I forgot about him and thought I'd listed everybody else in the game.

Speaking of Puns, I'd love to see some up-to-date thoughts from him. Been radio silence there for an awful long time.

So. Basically, "Nana is scum and anyone could be his partner"?

This might be the first time you've interpreted a statement I've made correctly all day.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

All these CAPITAL LETTERS also seem rather DISINGENUOUS SOMEHOW.

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I mean, they did.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Do you want the rest of my raw notes? That took three hours straight of work. No one fucking wrote it for me.

Yes, would love raw notes, but do they even say anything, from an actual content perspective, that your first posts don't say? If not, why bother?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Now, i cant find the exact post but... Kbm got really mad when nana insinuated that another scum was typing her words for her.

I can't help but feel there may have been some slip there.

Not rehash old wounds but im bringing this up again.

Do you want the rest of my raw notes? That took three hours straight of work. No one fucking wrote it for me.

Im not saying someone wrote it for you. I'm saying the idea that someone wrote it for you should be absurd because if you are town there is no one to write it for you. But the angle of your anger somewhat implies differently.

I mean I snipped a few observations out for time - something you could already ascertain if you actually compared my notes for the first day to my original post. Obviously you didn't because you claimed they were "literally identical" (another lie, for those keeping track).

But no as I said at the beginning of the day when I made those posts, I touched it up for grammar and put it into paragraphs, and that's mostly it.

Btw I'm slightly with kbm in that i dont necessarily like these inherent couplings of people. I'm definitely taking this as more of a one person at a time thing.

I do remember stating Day 3 that I hated KBM's defense of me looking back

Seemed to put a lot of emphasis on my lynch being due to dowolf
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Leafeon13N posted...

Im not saying someone wrote it for you. I'm saying the idea that someone wrote it for you should be absurd because if you are town there is no one to write it for you. But the angle of your anger somewhat implies differently.

Chris touched a nerve when he accused me of not reading the topic for personal reasons I really don't want to have to explain any further.

Accusing me of having someone else write my shit for me touches the same fucking nerve.

I would never do that. REGARDLESS of fucking alignment.

just made it home. I'm gonna employ my failproof strategy of "read backwards" because that seems fun.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Im not saying someone wrote it for you. I'm saying the idea that someone wrote it for you should be absurd because if you are town there is no one to write it for you. But the angle of your anger somewhat implies differently.

Chris touched a nerve when he accused me of not reading the topic for personal reasons I really don't want to have to explain any further.

Accusing me of having someone else write my shit for me touches the same fucking nerve.

I would never do that. REGARDLESS of fucking alignment.

I have no doubt. My only question is does it touch a stronger nerve because there actually is another out there to write it?

Like I don't care if it's "absurd" or not, it's just insulting, first and foremost.

Leafeon13N posted...

I have no doubt. My only question is does it touch a stronger nerve because there actually is another out there to write it?

There is no "stronger nerve" to touch here. There is obviously no one else who could have written it for me anyway. But I REALLY don't appreciate the implication of "I've seen nothing to make me believe KBM is capable of writing a post like that" or whatever shit Nana said.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I mean I snipped a few observations out for time - something you could already ascertain if you actually compared my notes for the first day to my original post. Obviously you didn't because you claimed they were "literally identical" (another lie, for those keeping track).

But no as I said at the beginning of the day when I made those posts, I touched it up for grammar and put it into paragraphs, and that's mostly it.

Uh, if you didn't have some asinine perspective where I'm "not responding to you", you would know that T10P295 literally quoted and responded to this accusation.

Big mondo chunks of your "notes" are directly transposed into your post. Grammar is slightly different, but if I ran those through a plagiarism detector they wouldn't pass.
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