Board 8 > Smash Ultimate Mafia Topic 6: Wavedashing is a hell of a drug

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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:04:40 PM
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@eaedwards6400

15 Player Smash!
1. Benjamin3740
2. Hombad (Corrik)
3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash
5. HanOfTheNekos
6. Hbthebattle
7. htaeD (Death)
8. Lolo_Guru
9. Pendragon71037
10. ScareChan
11. Forecful_Dragon
12. Pirate_Harris (Shad)
13. Shonen_Bat
14. Terra-enforcer
15. TheSultanOfSlam
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htaeD
11/30/18 4:06:13 PM
#2:


Oh right
Eaed did say he couldnt be around to makea topic6
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 4:06:45 PM
#3:


Whatever, lets just go for this one.
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htaeD
11/30/18 4:07:13 PM
#4:


Points for Han I coukent refined it but he did say yesterday that he was very sold on red and scare being scum together

You realize this is pointless when scare would obviously already be scum if Han isnt and vice versa

Also I realize I need to stop treating the redvoters as townish as long as I dont know what scare is.
Even if Scare and red are both scum, red was clearly more sacrificeable

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ScareChan
11/30/18 4:07:24 PM
#5:


Kill scum

Vote han
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 4:07:26 PM
#6:


Hopefully eaed wont complain
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:09:10 PM
#7:


Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum
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htaeD
11/30/18 4:10:03 PM
#8:


Thats the last thing one can accuse Han of now.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:10:35 PM
#9:


Ok, yeah. Lolo has killed all good will he has.

I'll be home in 20 minutes.
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ScareChan
11/30/18 4:10:49 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum


Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 4:12:48 PM
#11:


Han, I havent voted you yet because I still think you can convince us of your innocence. But you havent fully answered why you would choose to not act yesterday.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:13:33 PM
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ScareChan posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum


Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked


I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.
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geno4smash4
11/30/18 4:17:40 PM
#13:


Can we lynch Scare already?
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:18:41 PM
#14:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ScareChan posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum


Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked


I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.

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htaeD
11/30/18 4:19:19 PM
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geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?


why tho
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:19:29 PM
#16:


geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?
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htaeD
11/30/18 4:19:43 PM
#17:


Oh and

votals
[4] Scare - Terra, (Death), (Doop), Geno, Doop, Han, (Pirate)
[4] Han - Scare, (Ben), Pendragon, (Sultan), (HB), FD, lolo
[1] lolo - hombad
[0] Sultan - (lolo)
[0] Death - (Scare), (Ben), (Doop)
[0] Doop - (Han)
[0] Pendragon - (Han)
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:20:40 PM
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htaeD posted...
Oh and

votals
[4] Scare - Terra, (Death), (Doop), Geno, Doop, Han, (Pirate)
[4] Han - Scare, (Ben), Pendragon, (Sultan), (HB), FD, lolo
[1] lolo - hombad
[0] Sultan - (lolo)
[0] Death - (Scare), (Ben), (Doop)
[0] Doop - (Han)
[0] Pendragon - (Han)

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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:20:49 PM
#19:


Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?


I'll third this question
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:21:13 PM
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Hbthebattle posted...
Han, I havent voted you yet because I still think you can convince us of your innocence. But you havent fully answered why you would choose to not act yesterday.


I've answered it about five different ways, that I all agree with.

The ultimate true reason was I didnt was that I didn't want to. I have a bunch of logical explanations for why I wouldn't have anyway, even if I thought about in depth. But I didn't.

N1, the only player in B8 history I would guard is Chris and probably Dels. I honestly thought Chris was Scum, so I didn't consider it.

And once again, if I were Scum, it makes literally zero sense for me to make this claim. I will flip Town, and every town member voting me will pretend like it wasn't their fault, when Scum NEVER would answer a scan on them this way.

Bodyguard is also impossible to fake. If I were Scum, I'd be caught eventually. No way any thinking human ever claims bodyguard in this scenario.

To consider me as Scum, you have to have a logical reason I would behave in this fashion. If you don't, you are not thinking and blindly following a claimed scan that doesn't make sense.
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:26:05 PM
#21:


##vote:lolo
Meant to do this earlier. Think lolo is a very good alternative to the scare han thing. Lolo seems to be on a few people scum list an not just mine and hom. Hom has made some good points as well as me not really liking the points lolo has tried to present this game. So if people are willing let's put some pressure on lolo and maybe try and get lolo to talk more or claim or anything along those lines
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:29:52 PM
#22:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ScareChan posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum


Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked


I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.


Sultan - I did not ask him for his scan. I asked him if he had one.

He claimed to have a track day 1. I asked him if he had information to give.

Though I will admit, if Scare misread that and actually thinks im Scum based on that, he's a complete moron but that would lend credence to a possible Town Scare.

That would mean somebody else got roleblocked. If Scare is telling the truth about his jack claim, then he's not that high a priority roleblock.

Since scum had to know I was power, they could have roleblocked me. And I can't confirm that because I did not take an action last night. But HB was the other person who was hinting power besides Chris, so...
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Hbthebattle
11/30/18 4:31:43 PM
#23:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ScareChan posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Well it might not mean alot other then han has been consistent about not likening scare and it wasnt just a om calling you scum beacuse you're calling me scum


Han started the day asking for my scan so I can prove myself town

Which I still say is him knowing I wasnt blocked


I literally didnt do that, Scare. I asked if you had one.


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Scare, let us know if you got a track off. And convince me you're not Scum.


Sultan - I did not ask him for his scan. I asked him if he had one.

He claimed to have a track day 1. I asked him if he had information to give.

Though I will admit, if Scare misread that and actually thinks im Scum based on that, he's a complete moron but that would lend credence to a possible Town Scare.

That would mean somebody else got roleblocked. If Scare is telling the truth about his jack claim, then he's not that high a priority roleblock.

Since scum had to know I was power, they could have roleblocked me. And I can't confirm that because I did not take an action last night. But HB was the other person who was hinting power besides Chris, so...

I didnt get roleblocked, assuming you get sent a message when you are.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:32:47 PM
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I know, you told me already :)
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:32:51 PM
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I literally qouted your post take it as you will
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Lolo_Guru
11/30/18 4:38:48 PM
#26:


Has your mind changed on Han, Sultan?
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:39:19 PM
#27:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I literally qouted your post take it as you will


I restated what I said and why what Scare is saying is flat-out wrong.
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geno4smash4
11/30/18 4:42:00 PM
#28:


Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?

I didn't like his lie originally, I don't care if he's scare or not scare or if he does this usually, I want him out.
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 4:42:29 PM
#29:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Has your mind changed on Han, Sultan?


I'm thinking all of this though because going back and reading the original stuff is making me think about it more.

Though I still think the best course of action is lynching someone else...

I'll humor you top 3 scum reads?

I know I'm 1of yours unless that changed who are the other 2 reads you got?
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:43:19 PM
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geno4smash4 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?

I didn't like his lie originally, I don't care if he's scare or not scare or if he does this usually, I want him out.

Ok then tell me why you personally want to lynch him, that's my argument on why I wanted scare to lynched geno...
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:44:17 PM
#31:


Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?

I didn't like his lie originally, I don't care if he's scare or not scare or if he does this usually, I want him out.

Ok then tell me why you personally want to lynch him, that's my argument on why I wanted scare to lynched geno...

To be lynched, fixed
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geno4smash4
11/30/18 4:47:39 PM
#32:


Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?

I didn't like his lie originally, I don't care if he's scare or not scare or if he does this usually, I want him out.

Ok then tell me why you personally want to lynch him, that's my argument on why I wanted scare to lynched geno...

I don't care what your argument was, I've been saying this since yesterday.
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ScareChan
11/30/18 4:49:44 PM
#33:


Geno do you realize han lied as well

And I am telling you han killed chris
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:54:59 PM
#34:


Thing is, even though I can see Scare making this dumb play as Town... he hasn't surrounded it with Townlike posts.

When I was writing up my "What Chris Would Say" post earlier, I remember one of his key lessons was "ask yourself - does it make any sense for Scum to do the thing?" Town players are weird, act weird, play weird, and are surrounded by weirdness. Scum are, by default, more calculated. Scum don't usually make big errors unless they're brainfarts or just new Scum.

So why does Scare do this as Scum, I have been asking myself?

It does make pretty much as little sense for him to do this as me making a Bodyguard claim that went nowhere if I was Scum. The only reason for him to push so hard is if he knows he's going down. So unless there is a SK who poisons and you find out you're poisoned the night it happens (or something equally creative and unlikely), I don't know why Scare would suicide into me. Unless he just wants to trade himself off (Scum bomb? That's a bastard role but idk)

So I've come around to some explanations for why Scare might do this as Town. I came up with some. Honestly, the "Scare is bluffing because he thinks he caught me as Scum, but hasn't realized his catch is a false positive" is attractive. It's really fucking shitty and is paramount to trolling, in my opinion, if he were to have done this in multiple games, but it's an explanation that makes sense.

But I can't get over how Scummy he's being. Scare is doing NOTHING. He hasn't tried all day. The only thing he did was go after Death then cower away as soon as Death said he had info. Then he plopped his fake scan on me and has just sat there, diddling himself while saying "no u".

The ONLY thing Scare has really responded to is when I said it makes sense for him to be suiciding to get out of the game early. I think he actually was insulted. Which means his motivation isn't to die... which means I think he's Scum, because this is a stupid needless risk to make as Town.

Anyway, I'm home, it's still light, I have tea - I'm going to go back and reread some of day 1, come up with my reads, compare them with the current game state, then go from there.

My biggest worry right now is I have too many question marks surrounding people who are siding with me, and that worries me that this is Town Town. But if enough people are in the middle/siding against me that I think are Scum, then I'll be pretty convinced Scare is Scum.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 4:56:39 PM
#35:


ScareChan posted...
Geno do you realize han lied as well

And I am telling you han killed chris


I never lied. When I said I was vanilla, I meant I was white ;)
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:58:03 PM
#36:


geno4smash4 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Pirate_Harris posted...
geno4smash4 posted...
Can we lynch Scare already?

What is your reasoning for lynching scare geno?

I didn't like his lie originally, I don't care if he's scare or not scare or if he does this usually, I want him out.

Ok then tell me why you personally want to lynch him, that's my argument on why I wanted scare to lynched geno...

I don't care what your argument was, I've been saying this since yesterday.

Yet this is the exact same argument I used against scare... it tells me that you can't provide a decent reason for providing a vote... geno you've been avoiding the game for the most part and now you Come in here, demanding that scare be lynched... what's going on geno?
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htaeD
11/30/18 4:58:22 PM
#37:


Thats a strange whiplash from serious fury to winky jokes
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 4:59:22 PM
#38:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ScareChan posted...
Geno do you realize han lied as well

And I am telling you han killed chris


I never lied. When I said I was vanilla, I meant I was white ;)

Now your throwing jokes around han... come on bud... get serious
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 5:00:06 PM
#39:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ScareChan posted...
Geno do you realize han lied as well

And I am telling you han killed chris


I never lied. When I said I was vanilla, I meant I was white ;)


Megaman is BLUE ! So you're Mewtwo?
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Lolo_Guru
11/30/18 5:03:33 PM
#40:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Has your mind changed on Han, Sultan?


I'm thinking all of this though because going back and reading the original stuff is making me think about it more.

Though I still think the best course of action is lynching someone else...

I'll humor you top 3 scum reads?

I know I'm 1of yours unless that changed who are the other 2 reads you got?

Don't really have much more than you that felt tied directly to red d1.
Knowing whether it's Han/red or Scare/red is what matters to me now. My vote is either moving, once, to Scare, or staying on Han the rest of the day.
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htaeD
11/30/18 5:04:19 PM
#41:


and here I am at the end of my ISO, not much wiser
especially since only FD went back to red near deadline and red never voted anyone at all day1
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 5:05:49 PM
#42:


I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...
and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game


Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 5:06:46 PM
#43:


Or was that Ben, do I remember incorrectly?
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 5:08:08 PM
#44:


Hbthebattle posted...
Yeah, I've been wondering why a guy would claim and then immediately disappear, especially someone who was implied in the sign-up topic to be an experienced player (though I'm just guessing with that one). It's definitely pretty suspicious.


Hb, have you gone back and examined this thought process? If an experienced player claims right out of the gate and then disappears... why is that Scummy? It's weird, for sure, but what makes it Scummy?
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Pirate_Harris
11/30/18 5:09:15 PM
#45:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...
and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game


Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.

Han I can buy the anger, but I can't buy this sudden overconfidence... this doesn't feel like a town vs town lynch more than a scum vs scum lynch
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 5:13:49 PM
#46:


If it was scum vs scum pirate I dont think this would be an all day affair
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TheSultanOfSlam
11/30/18 5:15:49 PM
#47:


Though that would be an interesting strategy
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ScareChan
11/30/18 5:16:25 PM
#48:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...
and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game


Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.


Right which should tell town that I'm town and this is not a gambit
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HanOfTheNekos
11/30/18 5:16:46 PM
#49:


Pirate_Harris posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
I think my frustration in Scare has passed enough to the point where he can't make me any more angry, so responding in jest makes me enjoy the game more.

While I'm rereading...

ScareChan posted...
and for what its worth

mason play didnt cost town that game, it was just not pulling the trigger on lynching chris when we had the option too. Cold feet lost town that game


Just to be clear Scare, YOU cost Town that game. YOUR cold feet. I hopped on Chris with you guys! And YOU backed off.

Han I can buy the anger, but I can't buy this sudden overconfidence... this doesn't feel like a town vs town lynch more than a scum vs scum lynch


What overconfidence?

I am being less confident than I was last night.

Having time to process the day and having said everything I have already, I'm a lot calmer. And I'll admit, that dig on Scare there was to push him into doing literally anything.
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ScareChan
11/30/18 5:16:57 PM
#50:


Also han is now literally arguing scum bomb

Or at very least planting the seeds for fear

Like come on dude you're better than this
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