Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia Topic 7: Beware of the 4 finger discount

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Leafeon13N posted...

Why?

Because the odds of 1 person being gf is much lower than the chance of them NOT being specific gf? Why is this even a question?

A quick google finds this quote for Homer, if nothing else.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/937d5765.jpg

I think Red is an imposter. Not a member of the mafia team. But claiming power D1? Flavour meta-ing?!?! After his start to the game saying people who do flavour need to re easses how they play mafia?

...you know, I don't hate it

Forceful_Dragon posted...

YOU kept me from moving on by withholding information that we could all agree was harmless/pointless.

I was not about to limit the pool of characters out there.

You kept yourself from moving on when every bit of info on the board said my claim unlikely fit town.

Enchantress posted...

I think Red is an imposter. Not a member of the mafia team. But claiming power D1? Flavour meta-ing?!?! After his start to the game saying people who do flavour need to re easses how they play mafia?

...you know, I don't hate it

I flavor meta when i think it is relevant.

I dont flavor meta when the board is blank.

Leafeon13N posted...

I was not about to limit the pool of characters out there.

Because your answer was "no, my flavor is not from the last game" then all you are doing is removing 16 possible characters from a pool of HUNDREDS. Less than that actually because we had a handful of yesses so you'd only be removing the 10 or so possible flavors from that list that weren't already in use.

It literally would have cost you nothing to say no unless you were planning on fake claiming one of those 10 flavors.

Leafeon13N posted...

I flavor meta when i think it is relevant.

I dont flavor meta when the board is blank.

To be more clear. I meta when we have a clear picture of what we are looking for based on known information.

I will not make blind conjecture.

Like, we know scum is homer, bart.

We know scum has strongman, janitor.

This isn't just flavor metaing. This is simply playing with pieces on the board.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Because your answer was "no, my flavor is not from the last game" then all you are doing is removing 16 possible characters from a pool of HUNDREDS. Less than that actually because we had a handful of yesses so you'd only be removing the 10 or so possible flavors from that list that weren't already in use.

It literally would have cost you nothing to say no unless you were planning on fake claiming one of those 10 flavors.

I was doctor. I was hiding behind the other half of my role. My guess is maybe this worked except scum was sitting on a strongman.

Leafeon13N posted...

I dont flavor meta when the board is blank.

Except I wasn't trying to call people guilty or innocent based upon their answer. I was just asking everyone put themselves in a bucket of "from the list" or "not from the list" so later in the game they couldn't lie about it.

And then we learned AFTER that there was a flavor split.

If we're willing to assume that Bart is in the game then there is a good chance that one of the "No" responses is actually Bart who distanced themselves from the list by choosing a safelist claim NOT from the list, for example.

Also probably not relevant, but Lea, Lea, Mzero.

Just in case.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If we're willing to assume that Bart is in the game then there is a good chance that one of the "No" responses is actually Bart who distanced themselves from the list by choosing a safelist claim NOT from the list, for example.

No, actually this doesn't really follow.

Leafeon13N posted...

I was doctor. I was hiding behind the other half of my role. My guess is maybe this worked except scum was sitting on a strongman.

Please tell me how saying "no i'm not on the list" reveals you to be specifically a doctor, I'll wait. If your answer was "yes" and there was a doctor on the list you might have a point that you were limiting your flavor range to a smallish list that included a presumed doctor. But a "no" answer gives you nearly unlimited flavors to potentially be still.

But whatever, I don't know why we're arguing about this still, you're wrong for not just giving the answer day 1, but fuck it, we move on.

##Vote: SBell

I don't see any point from switching the choice today at this juncture so I'd rather have him be in the lead over Death when JC does his thing.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also probably not relevant, but Lea, Lea, Mzero.

Just in case.

Aw

the part red didn't mention is that one of those was a vig shot =P

Always the bridesmaid...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Please tell me how saying "no i'm not on the list" reveals you to be specifically a doctor, I'll wait. If your answer was "yes" and there was a doctor on the list you might have a point that you were limiting your flavor range to a smallish list that included a presumed doctor. But a "no" answer gives you nearly unlimited flavors to potentially be still.

Thats great i wasn't about to shoehorn myself into anything and there was never a point this would be relevant or useful info.

Is that your way of saying "no FD, there was no good reason not to tell you either then or now" then you did a bad job expressing yourself. But just the same I accept your apology.

Obellisk posted...

Always the bridesmaid...

I'm making this joke at my best friend's wedding next month. Does she like the Simpsons, no not at all.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/98893e28.jpg

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Is that your way of saying "no FD, there was no good reason not to tell you either then or now" then you did a bad job expressing yourself. But just the same I accept your apology.

I dont give information unless i feel there is something to be gained from it.

If sbell is scum Im going to stfu for about half a dozen games and only sheep actual good players that I trust in a given game. But I really think this is like the Isquen lynch and we could just do something different for once.

I'm here. I'm caught up. Obviously I like the Death direction, I've been leaning that way since the start of the day.

##Vote: Death

I agree with Lea's sentiments on Sbell - I don't like people giving up. There is a chance he is scum playing that aspect up. But Isquen wasn't. And there are things Sbell has said and done that are yelling in my ear "Sbell is town", exactly how Wallz feels. So on one hand he almost deserves to die, and we're so ahead it feels like he can be lynched for good measure now, but that isnt how games are won.

##unvote

##vote:death

I'm just not sure I was actually on him in those first page votals.

Carry on.

I've been extremely lazy toward this game even when I'm off work, prioritizing playing other games with friends, so I deserve not being fully trusted based on lack of effort. It would be nice if Death can just be Godfather and clear me.

Death flipping town would make me want to kill Sbell more and suspect he scans as peter Griffin and that's the reason he was confident in claiming it. But like i said before I dont think Sbell and Death are scum together, because of Death guessing Sbell is Peter Griffin. No way scum death sticks his neck out like that to make it look like he knows more than he should, as he is on a scum team with Sbell.

So if Death flips scum I think it will clear Sbell

does red not being vig make chang more or less likely to be perma-BP

Chaeix posted...

does red not being vig make chang more or less likely to be perma-BP

I'm still vigi.

I'm praying that Death flips scum. I accept that I need to eat a bullet if Death flips town, I guess. But I would hope Red would place that bullet in a different two lettered vanilla because it just makes more sense.

Leafeon13N posted...

To be more clear. I meta when we have a clear picture of what we are looking for based on known information.

I will not make blind conjecture.

Like, we know scum is homer, bart.

We know scum has strongman, janitor.

This isn't just flavor metaing. This is simply playing with pieces on the board.

peter griffin would make sense as a substitute for homer, but would that be too obvious

I trust Red's shot approach so I really don't think any of this matters. Maybe if JC doesn't show up we can end D5 in an hour, really extra prove that Sultan hasn't gone insane and given scum control cover the day.

I'm going to ask my Lenny photo for forgiveness.

Leafeon13N posted...

I'm still vigi.

oh

okay

i'll be honest i still find it somewhat sus that death claimed lenny and carl immediately after lea mentioned she would bank any lenny in her town books

is that too good to be true

and was able to pinpoint my claim

Red, I know you said that you dont think FD and Death are scum, based on their staging of the vanilla claim. Can you give me the play-by-play on why that read makes sense? Where it makes more sense than the Sbell and Death not being on a team reasoning? Because its hard for me right now to comprehend a world where only one of Death, Sbell, and FD are scum, but it is possible. If both of these outlooks are true then they confirm a scum is outside of just that pool.

Lea if I promise to be more involved next day assuming I don't get a night death, can you flip your vote?

PunishedBen posted...

Red, I know you said that you dont think FD and Death are scum, based on their staging of the vanilla claim. Can you give me the play-by-play on why that read makes sense? Where it makes more sense than the Sbell and Death not being on a team reasoning? Because its hard for me right now to comprehend a world where only one of Death, Sbell, and FD are scum, but it is possible. If both of these outlooks are true then they confirm a scum is outside of just that pool.

i'm entertaining a wallz + sbell/death side angle

wallz i don't recall you ever answering my question about why you didn't disclose your extra info about your role after the mzero claim/scan was revealed, because at that point you knew you could trust Ulti.

Obellisk posted...

Lea if I promise to be more involved next day assuming I don't get a night death, can you flip your vote?

I flipped my vote like an hour ago

right, I remember that...

thanks. I feel the love.

Hey JC. stoner to stoner, come on bud.

I think there's some logic to Death playing up his "my hands are tied I don't vote for unclaimed players" aspect to land on Ulti D1, but I don't really recall enough Death games to remember how strong that compunction is. Did he even suspect Ulti that day, I dunno.

I'm looking back at Death's claim and personally I dont see anything that makes FD and Death look assuredly un-aligned.

But that can wait for analyzing after Death flips, because regardless if there is only one scum in the pool of Sbell, Death, and FD, it is far and away Death who I choose.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Even today I'm not sure what you've done except say "pretty please not me first"

Like honestly if you are town and it works, great. I would love nothing more than for scum to be lynched today regardless of it means I was right or wrong. I was already apparently wrong about Ben and I'm more concerned with town winning than being right. But legitimately what has changed from 24 hours ago another than 2 full helpings of "really guys, I want to live now please don't lynch me"? Because if there's something there I'm not seeing it.

Chaeix posted...

i'm entertaining a wallz + sbell/death side angle

wallz i don't recall you ever answering my question about why you didn't disclose your extra info about your role after the mzero claim/scan was revealed, because at that point you knew you could trust Ulti.

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But the thing is I still have FD as town for that interaction, regardless of Death's alignment. Either I re-evaluate that, or re-evalutate Death and Sbell not being scum together. Or its just Death + a claimed power, which is almost where I'm leaning, but have no idea where to start.

wallmasterz posted...

Ive only played here a year mind you but every time the little voice in my head says oops theyre actually town

theyre actually town

I do think this is a very genuine post from Wallz and get town vibes from it. Definitely remember for if in the future Sbell slips town, or Death flips scum - then Wallz really had no reason to change direction like this as scum.

(4) Sbell- (Enchantress), Ulti, Chang, Death, FD
(4) Death - Sbell, Wallz, Enchantress, Ben
(0) FD - (Changmas), (JC)
(0) JC - (FD)
(0) Wallz (Enchantress)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/934069f0.jpg

Wow so red and jc are the only ones left to vote?

granted someone could change course right now but

Did Chang claim bp before or after red claimed vig?

Way after

Tier list

SUPER MEGA TOWN All angles deny them being scum, and if they are then they will be outed with time. These arent even ordered because they're confirmed town tier.

Lea
Red
JC

Only way he's scum is if he's ninja or doesn't move, but then why claim a role that is forced to move each night? Doesn't make sense as scum, tier

Ulti

Assured town if Sbell flips town or Death flips scum, tier

Wallz

Will be the first I re-evaluate based on play, but I am pretty sure track record is golden and I called this guy confirmed town once before. Will look back at that after this, lol, tier

Chang

If there's two scum I guess one has to be here huh, tier

FD
Sbell

Nothing going for them. I'm sorry, tier

Death

Cmon FD or Ulti, lynch death

Another thing in Ultis defense.

i was paranoid of him for suggesting we claim masons. But I feel like ulti would never suggest that for selfish reasons if he was godfather.

wallmasterz posted...

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thank u