Best starter Pokemon out of all of the starter Pokemon round four poll one

Feraligatr > Charizard

Well he had a second round bye and then was eliminated in the third round but saved due to TC's ridiculous rules

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

Depends on how you define "starter"

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

Totes is one of my favorite Pokemon.

Charmander's a bit overrated. A bunch of nostalgia goggles ITT.

Muffinz0rz posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

Depends on how you define "starter"

You were waiting for that, weren't you?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

Depends on how you define "starter"

You were waiting for that, weren't you?

I sure was.

If you define "starters" as the first form, then yeah you're right. Only Bulbasaur and Rowlet have two types.

But if you include their evos, then yeah far more of them have two types.

How do you define starters?

Muffinz0rz posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Zeus posted...

funkyfritter posted...

Totodile was a decent concept that was horribly butchered by the physical/special distribution prior to gen 4. By the time it became usable power creep had rendered it completely outclassed, I almost feel sorry for it.

Plus if it had been added to a later gen, it probably would have received a second type. Water is one of the most over-saturated mono-types (probably second only to normal), made worse by the countless dual-types.

Granted, the character design would still be kinda meh.

Isn't there only two starters that are duel types?

Depends on how you define "starter"

You were waiting for that, weren't you?

I sure was.

If you define "starters" as the first form, then yeah you're right. Only Bulbasaur and Rowlet have two types.

But if you include their evos, then yeah far more of them have two types.

How do you define starters?

Clearly Fritter was referring to more than its base form in his post because its base form is completely useless.

Mega Charizard-X >>>>>>> Feraligatr

Terrible.

I'll say it again, a starter Charmander is the same as a starter Charizard. The same doesn't apply to any random Growlithe and any random Arcanine. Those are general Pokemon, while starters are specific instances.

When Pikachu was in the poll I didn't factor in Pichu or Raichu, because the starter Pikachu could be neither of them. I didn't factor in Light Ball either, since it was introduced later. I wouldn't factor mega evolutions either, though I think they're available in ORAS for the Hoenn starters yeah?

Veedrock- posted...

Terrible.

I'll say it again, a starter Charmander is the same as a starter Charizard. The same doesn't apply to any random Growlithe and any random Arcanine. Those are general Pokemon, while starters are specific instances.

When Pikachu was in the poll I didn't factor in Pichu or Raichu, because the starter Pikachu could be neither of them. I didn't factor in Light Ball either, since it was introduced later. I wouldn't factor mega evolutions either, though I think they're available in ORAS for the Hoenn starters yeah?

It's not "terrible" it's just how I view things.

When your charmander evolves into charmeleon, you no longer have charmander. You used to, you don't anymore.

I know you guys were having a very heated argument, but that's just how I view things. If you want to view it differently, go ahead

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

MICHALECOLE posted...

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

This is an incorrect statement. When you say "starters" you're talking about the whole like. People don't pick charmander to have a charmander. They choose charmander to get charizard.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Terrible.

I'll say it again, a starter Charmander is the same as a starter Charizard. The same doesn't apply to any random Growlithe and any random Arcanine. Those are general Pokemon, while starters are specific instances.

When Pikachu was in the poll I didn't factor in Pichu or Raichu, because the starter Pikachu could be neither of them. I didn't factor in Light Ball either, since it was introduced later. I wouldn't factor mega evolutions either, though I think they're available in ORAS for the Hoenn starters yeah?

It's not "terrible" it's just how I view things.

When your charmander evolves into charmeleon, you no longer have charmander. You used to, you don't anymore.

I know you guys were having a very heated argument, but that's just how I view things. If you want to view it differently, go ahead

MICHALECOLE posted...

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

This is an incorrect statement. When you say "starters" you're talking about the whole like. People don't pick charmander to have a charmander. They choose charmander to get charizard.

BlackScythe0 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

This is an incorrect statement. When you say "starters" you're talking about the whole like. People don't pick charmander to have a charmander. They choose charmander to get charizard.

maybe when you say starter you mean all of it's forms. when i think starter i think of only the 1st form. the forms after that are evolved forms of your starter.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

This is an incorrect statement. When you say "starters" you're talking about the whole like. People don't pick charmander to have a charmander. They choose charmander to get charizard.

maybe when you say starter you mean all of it's forms. when i think starter i think of only the 1st form. the forms after that are evolved forms of your starter.

Right, but this isn't your poll series.

Muffinz0rz posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

I'll just go ahead and settle this

Starters refers to the starter Pokémon, not its evolution. When somebody says starter Pokemon, they're talking about charmander, not charizard.

For the purposes of this poll, or which one you think is best, considering or not considering evolutions is your choice. If you want to vote charmander because you love charizard, that's your choice. I personally see each Pokemon as it's own thing. I do not take evolution into account when somebody asks, "Do you like growlithe?" Except for to say, "Yes but aracanine is way cooler."

This is an incorrect statement. When you say "starters" you're talking about the whole like. People don't pick charmander to have a charmander. They choose charmander to get charizard.

maybe when you say starter you mean all of it's forms. when i think starter i think of only the 1st form. the forms after that are evolved forms of your starter.

Right, but this isn't your poll series.

i am agreeing with the tc's thoughts on starters, i don't see a problem here...

Zeus posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Veedrock- posted...

Terrible.

I'll say it again, a starter Charmander is the same as a starter Charizard. The same doesn't apply to any random Growlithe and any random Arcanine. Those are general Pokemon, while starters are specific instances.

When Pikachu was in the poll I didn't factor in Pichu or Raichu, because the starter Pikachu could be neither of them. I didn't factor in Light Ball either, since it was introduced later. I wouldn't factor mega evolutions either, though I think they're available in ORAS for the Hoenn starters yeah?

It's not "terrible" it's just how I view things.

When your charmander evolves into charmeleon, you no longer have charmander. You used to, you don't anymore.

I know you guys were having a very heated argument, but that's just how I view things. If you want to view it differently, go ahead

Not sure why you're posting a celebratory picture, TC's viewpoint is clearly consistent with mine.

Granted, he/she said considering or not considering is the voter's choice, but I maintain that the poll is corrupted when you're voting for Charizard and not Charmander.

If that was the intent it should have been specified because that is an incredibly bizarre intent.