That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
If Trump is soooo concerned about costs and burdens, maybe he should stop vacationing to his clubs to play golf.
Metro2 posted...
If Trump is soooo concerned about costs and burdens, maybe he should stop vacationing to his clubs to play golf.
Zeus posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
XlaxJynx007 posted...
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
These posts win.
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
How can you guys even argue against this? If they can't do the very thing they are paid to do, why the fuck would we allow them to keep getting paid?
green dragon posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
That has applied forever
He has the most stressful job in the country. Let the man have some private time to take his mind off of the many problems this country is faced with.
You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.
PK_Spam posted...
You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.
Race has nothing to do with it, and the right already criticize him plenty. Establishment republicans hate him.
wyansas posted...
PK_Spam posted...
You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.
Race has nothing to do with it, and the right already criticize him plenty. Establishment republicans hate him.
Remember that time they called Obama and his family monkies?
Yeah. Race has NOTHING to do with it
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a f***ing break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...
What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?
I'm also curious on what would make a Transgender without the physical transition not suitable for combat.
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
So what's the difference here?
XlaxJynx007 posted...
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
This post would be relevant if there weren't actually more positions in the military that aren't front line infantry than otherwise at this point
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
What a bullshit post hoc rationalization from transphobes. How were there 15,000 transgender soldiers already if they couldn't serve in any capacity?
XlaxJynx007 posted...
Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.
The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
Don't be stupid, if there were 15,000 transgendered soldiers already, then removing them is the social experiment, and an expensive one.
Not all of them seek treatment but those that have had treatment would render them non-deployable.
If you're Erik, you can fuck right off and leave
From what I've seen, the military doesn't support this change in policy. So why is it happening?
XlaxJynx007 posted...
If you're Erik, you can fuck right off and leave
Great retort. Next time, just admit I'm right and save yourself the trouble.
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
green dragon posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
Yep, should apply to cis service people as well.
XlaxJynx007 posted...
green dragon posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
That has applied forever
Then what is the point of this stupid ban
Zeus posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
Seems fair.
It would, if that actually applied here. There are already tests in place for those things that don't directly have anything to do with whether or not somebody's trans. The trans people in question had to pass such tests to get in in the first place, so if being trans means they're unfit to serve (which it certainly could, given how disruptive the treatment is), that's already taken care of. This is nothing more than a half-baked idea for earning brownie points among the gay-hating redneck part of Trump's fanbase (and it's working beautifully for that).
TheCyborgNinja posted...
I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a f***ing break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...
Untreated, gender dysphoria has a 37% suicide rate. That's a much higher mortality rate than a torn rotator cuff. Mental health treatment is no less legitimate than physical health treatment, despite what many would like to believe, and that includes treating gender dysphoria.
spooky96 posted...
What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?
All other things being equal, $30 worth of hormones a month for the rest of their lives, plus the potential costs of actually transitioning (though I would expect them to be taken off of active duty during that process, because it's pretty debilitating). Estimates put the annual costs associated specifically with transgender service members at 2.4-4.4 million, which isn't nothing, but it's hard to be seriously concerned about that when the military spent $80 million treating erectile dysfunction in 2014, and their total health budget that year was 45,000 million.
Mead posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
green dragon posted...
Full Throttle posted...
That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.
That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well
That has applied forever
Then what is the point of this stupid ban
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-real-cost-of-trumps-trans-military-ban_us_59925e1ce4b063e2ae05828a