and if he would give them a generic cake and not care if they put that in the wedding,
darkphoenix181 posted...
and if he would give them a generic cake and not care if they put that in the wedding,
I "think" he did care. He just respected what he thought was the law.
Kinda like "I made this cake, what you do with it is up to you, but I will not make a cake FOR A gay wedding."
That level of intention and distinction means a lot to Christians and nothing to an atheist.
. Putting this baker and this cake in the spotlight just makes evangelicals and others defensive and helps create a narrative that they're under attack in some way.
Another thought, it seems like there is a healthy market for gay bakers.
I'm starting to feel like these gay couples just search out Christian bakeries at this point. I've literally never seen a Christian bakery in my life.
The Supreme Court is laying down equality.
--kresnik-- posted...
The Supreme Court is laying down equality.
And what does equality mean exactly?
UnfairRepresent posted...
--kresnik-- posted...
The Supreme Court is laying down equality.
And what does equality mean exactly?
That if one religion isn't forced to do things that violate their beliefs, that ALL religions should have the same protection.
You wouldn't demand a Muslim butcher to stock pork, would you? It's against their beliefs, and you could just buy the pork at one of the other dozens of stores.
iron jojo posted...
Another thought, it seems like there is a healthy market for gay bakers.
Well you say that but no really
This is one of the Christian arguments. There are no shortage of bakeries who serve gay couples. It's just the religious ones who refuse.
They also point out that said gay couples avoid bakeries that will serve them AND then also avoid muslim bakeries that won't. Almost like they're targeting what the courts will pay out for
UnfairRepresent posted...
iron jojo posted...
Another thought, it seems like there is a healthy market for gay bakers.
Well you say that but no really
This is one of the Christian arguments. There are no shortage of bakeries who serve gay couples. It's just the religious ones who refuse.
They also point out that said gay couples avoid bakeries that will serve them AND then also avoid muslim bakeries that won't. Almost like they're targeting what the courts will pay out for
What if that's their budget?
They'd go to a different one, but they can't.
DrizztLink posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
iron jojo posted...
Another thought, it seems like there is a healthy market for gay bakers.
Well you say that but no really
This is one of the Christian arguments. There are no shortage of bakeries who serve gay couples. It's just the religious ones who refuse.
They also point out that said gay couples avoid bakeries that will serve them AND then also avoid muslim bakeries that won't. Almost like they're targeting what the courts will pay out for
What if that's their budget?
They'd go to a different one, but they can't.
That's capitalism.
If you can't afford serivce then you can't force another company do to a service that you don't provide.
It's also nonsense, launching a court case against someone costs a fortune.
I may be wrong, my specialty is more in bird law, but doesn't this open up a can of worms with regard to precedent?
iron jojo posted...
I'm starting to feel like these gay couples just search out Christian bakeries at this point. I've literally never seen a Christian bakery in my life.
this. pos just looking for a payout
no one is discriminating. just some shits lookin for a pay day
oh so they were refused service?
cake shop sells cakes
pos were offered cakes
pos wanted payouts
ModLogic posted...
cake shop sells cakes
pos were offered cakes
pos wanted payouts
So if a big black British man called Wesley went to McDonalds and ordered a big mac and they said "We don't serve burgers to n*****s but you can have fries"
IYO that's not discrimination because they sell fries and were offered fries?
That's a poor analogy. The baker is not refusing to sell a particular good
Callixtus posted...
That's a poor analogy. The baker is not refusing to sell a particular good
So the baker is selling custom cakes to the couple? Like he does for everyone who is not gay?
Liberals were cheering over the summer when a baker refused to make a pro Trump cake for a customer. Funny how they're now upset over this.
IS the baker discriminating even though he did offer to sell them cakes?
Is it okay for the gay couple to take him to court?
He employs 10 people and has a successful businsess? Is it right to destroy this for the sake of debatable morality.
Obviously he was if he offered custom cakes to one group but not the other. Why is this even a serious question?
So if a gang of Nazis asked for a Nazi cake, he would be obligated by law to do so?
JE19426 posted...
Obviously he was if he offered custom cakes to one group but not the other. Why is this even a serious question?
So if a gang of Nazis asked for a Nazi cake, he would be obligated by law to do so?
UnfairRepresent posted...
So if a gang of Nazis asked for a Nazi cake, he would be obligated by law to do so?
Where on earth did I say that?
Obviously he was if he offered custom cakes to one group but not the other. Why is this even a serious question?
UnfairRepresent posted...
Obviously he was if he offered custom cakes to one group but not the other. Why is this even a serious question?
How is that saying:
"So if a gang of Nazis asked for a Nazi cake, he would be obligated by law to do so?"
Because in your own words he offered a custom cake for one group but not another.