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Muslim leaders announced on Saturday that they are going national with an effort to dissuade voters from reelecting President Joe Biden in 2024 due to his failure to call for a cease-fire in Gaza.

The #AbandonBiden campaign officially began earlier in December, led by Muslim leaders in swing states like Michigan, Minnesota and Arizona, who disapproved of Bidens support for Israels counterattacks against Hamas. The counterattacks have come at the cost of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian lives.

Now, the coalition intends to expand the pressure campaign to all 50 states.

We will save America from itself, by punishing Biden at the ballot box, said lead organizer Jaylani Hussein in a statement.

The coalition plans to endorse an independent presidential candidate, Hussein told CNBC. He added that the campaign does not support former President Donald Trump, the current Republican frontrunner, though it is aware of the risks of depleting Bidens voter base.

There is a likelihood that our votes may weaken the Democrats that the Republicans may win, Hussein said. Were not fools about that.

The #AbandonBiden campaign is willing to take that risk, he said: We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/30/ muslim-leaders-expand-campaign-to-abandon-biden-over-israel-hamas-war.html
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Muslims leaders announce they want Trump to win and travel ban them
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Irony posted...
Muslims leaders announce they want Trump to win and travel ban them
They are willing to risk it lol
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Admitting you'll risk another four years of Trump is the definition of cutting your nose to spite your face.

2024 is gonna be worse than 2020 easily
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I get where they are coming from, but if Biden doesn't win then they get Trump, who is far more likely to just tell Netanyahu to kill every last Palestinian. He will also re-institute his Muslim ban, so this seems short sighted.
Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed
ScazarMeltex posted...
I get where they are coming from, but if Biden doesn't win then they get Trump, who is far more likely to just tell Netanyahu to kill every last Palestinian. He will also re-institute his Muslim ban, so this seems short sighted.

Isn't it extra shitty, though, that these people's choices boil down to "candidate complicit in genocide" and "candidate who will actively encourage and engage in the same genocide?"

How are they supposed to respond to something like this in their community?
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If they really want to get rid of Biden, they better get people to actually go out and vote in the Presidential primaries. But knowing how ignorant the average American is, they probably think not voting in the general election will somehow prove a point, rather than give Republicans an easy path to fascism.
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The #AbandonBiden campaign is willing to take that risk, he said: We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.

*holds breath*
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DnDer posted...
Isn't it extra shitty, though, that these people's choices boil down to "candidate complicit in genocide" and "candidate who will actively encourage and engage in the same genocide?"

How are they supposed to respond to something like this in their community?
Push for better policies from Biden rather than discourage people from voting for him knowing the alternative is 100x worse anyways.
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How is it an unknown 4 years of trump? He was already president, you already know exactly what you will get, he won't magically change his stance.
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DnDer posted...
Isn't it extra shitty, though, that these people's choices boil down to "candidate complicit in genocide" and "candidate who will actively encourage and engage in the same genocide?"

How are they supposed to respond to something like this in their community?
Oh absolutely. They are in a no win situation here. Only a "how bad do we get fucked". But if you boil it down to numbers it's a pretty simple equation. Either "a bunch of us get killed" or "all of us get killed while Trump jerks off to it". I absolutely loathe that that's where it's at.
Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed
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DnDer posted...
Isn't it extra shitty, though, that these people's choices boil down to "candidate complicit in genocide" and "candidate who will actively encourage and engage in the same genocide?"

How are they supposed to respond to something like this in their community?

Like this:

A Democrat was in the White House when my family was sent to the internment camps in 1941. His name was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He had done many great things for American workers, and we believed in him.

But his Executive Order 9066 was an egregious violation of our human and civil rights. Within my community, over 120,000 of us were sent to the camps, simply because we happened to look like the people who bombed Pearl Harbor.

It would have been understandable if, in light of our internment, people like me said theyd never vote for Roosevelt, or for any Democrat ever again, given what had been done to us. It would have been understandable if we gave up on America because it had betrayed us, and betrayed its values.

But being a liberal, being a progressive, means being able to look past my own grievances and concerns and think of the greater good. It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has failed so utterly.

I went on to campaign for Adlai Stevenson when I became an adult. I marched for civil rights and had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

My faith would be tested again in the 1990s when Bill Clinton broke my heart. After claiming he was a friend to the gay community, he signed DOMA, the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, into law. It was a slap in the face to us. And I knew that we still had much work to do.

But I voted for him again in 1996 despite my misgivings, because the alternative was far worse. And my obligation as a citizen was to help choose the best leader for it. It was not to check out, or to refuse to vote out of anger or protest.

Today, many young people are disappointed and even angry at Joe Biden and the Democrats. A brutal war rages in Gaza, and there are millions of innocent lives at continued dire risk. I have spoken out against the idea of collective punishment, having been through my own harrowing childhood as a victim of it. And I know that many feel that the policy decisions of the White House are unforgivable.

But there is no leader who will make the decision you want her or him to make one-hundred percent of the time. Some, like FDR was to my family, are at their low points the very opposite of your hopes for a leader. Their decisions can ruin lives and bring disaster, even if they think they are making the right decision for the greater good.

I want everyone to remember this: Your vote is a tool of hope for a better world. Use it wisely, for it is precious. Use it for others, for they are in need of your support, too. A protest vote for a third-party candidate, or a refusal to vote at all, could bring about even greater suffering for the very people you wish to help.

I have stayed with the Democratic Party and the Democratic candidate after internment, after DOMA, and yes, through todays turmoil because I know that, while it is far from perfect, I want to see it do better. I want to see it thrive and fulfill its best potential. And I dont want to see our democracy die.

That is what is at stake in the next election. Protest, yes. Demand change, yes. But dont help out the authoritarians and fascists, who are hoping your anger will turn to cynicism and your passion to indifference. It is all on the line in 2024, especially for those people most in need of our help and compassion.

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While Biden't position is not the greatest, actively trying to get the guy that would put you into camps seems really fucking dumb.
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The very first thing Trump did when he took office was try to ban Muslims.

Trump literally said he didn't just want to kill Muslim Terrorist he would to kill their families.

What Muslims could remotely want Trump over Biden
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Say what you want about Biden's response to Gaza, but he cares about American Muslims. This obvious astroturfing will do nothing but bad things for Muslims both domestically and internationally if it succeeds.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
So do they want the orange idiot to win and potentially if this is still going on, send US soldiers to assist Israel? The orange idiot already literally said he would be a dictator if he wins.
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Irony posted...
Muslims leaders announce they want Trump to win and travel ban them
Remember all the "lions ate my face" memes directed at Trump-voting Republicans upon them dealing w/ the consequences of their voting decision (the January 6 terrorists that really thought Trump would pardon them; the woman whose illegal immigrant husband got deported; the entire Herman Cain award subreddit; etc...)
They were pretty funny.

I just hope the mods are as tolerant of those same memes in 2025 directed in the other direction...
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Cool, enjoy Muslim Ban 2.0 and an even more hawish stance from the government in Israel

fucking idiots.
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St0rmFury posted...
The #AbandonBiden campaign is willing to take that risk, he said: We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.
Unknown?! We know exactly what four more years of Trump will do. They literally have a website on it. Project 2025. What the fuck.
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St0rmFury posted...
We will save America
lol

St0rmFury posted...
We will risk an unknown four years of Trump
LMAO.

The result of 4 years of Trump is not unknown. We got 4 years of him. And it was a huge mistake that at minimum cost women in many places their rights. Fucking Christ
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St0rmFury posted...
We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.
Unknown my ass
So who exactly is funding this movement?
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Unknown?! We know exactly what four more years of Trump will do. They literally have a website on it. Project 2025. What the fuck.
Exactly what I was going to post! Bitch, we know exactly what four years of Trump will be. We already had it, and he's already promising to be even worse this time.
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St0rmFury posted...
We will save America from itself, by punishing Biden at the ballot box,
And this is a goofy ass statement. Regardless of how they feel about his handling of Israel-Palestine (which I'm of the opinion should have fuck-all to do with US politics anyway); this has nothing to do with America internally. Him changing his stance on the conflict wouldn't change anything within our country.
Humble_Novice posted...
So who exactly is funding this movement?

Prob some [ redacted ] grifter.
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I'm not sure if it's the same person, but here's something I found regarding Jaylani Hussein: https://islamism.news/opinion_and_interview/opinion/cair-leader-in-minnesota-stomps-on-a-landmine-at-hamline-university/

Jaylani Hussein, the executive director of the Minnesota Chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), has good reason to feel jittery. After coming to the defense of Fayneese Miller, the president of Hamline University, who was subsequently asked to resign for bungling a controversy over academic freedom at the school, Hussein is finding himself at odds with officials at CAIRs headquarters in Washington, D.C.

Hussein accused a local professor of Islamophobia and hate speech for having shown Muslim-drawn pictures of Mohammad from the Middle Ages to her students in an art history class in October 2022, but CAIR national officials say the professor is guilty of no such thing. To make matters worse for Hussein, his name appears several times in a lawsuit filed against the school by the accused professor and not in a good way.

The brief portrays Hussein as bullying Hamline professors by obliquely suggesting at a campus meeting on Dec. 8, 2022 (which was recorded on video) that if they dont submit to the Islamophobia Regime he was trying to enforce, the school could be the scene of violence similar to what was endured by staffers at Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris in 2015 who were murdered by jihadists angry over the publication of insulting pictures of Muhammad. Raising the specter of jihadist violence against a Methodist-affiliated liberal arts school in Minnesota is not a good look for a so-called civil rights organization in the United States. (Nice school you got here; it would be a shame if anything were to happen to it.) No wonder CAIRs leaders in Washington, D.C. distanced themselves from Husseins messaging.

The controversy began late last October when Aram Wedatalla, president of the Muslim Student Association (MSA) at Hamline University, complained of the trauma she endured when adjunct professor Erika Lpez Prater displayed reverential pictures of Muhammad over Zoom to her students. Prater had informed her students at the beginning of the semester in the syllabus that she would be displaying the images and that students who might be offended by their display did not have to view them. She offered the same warning the day the images were shown in class, to no avail.

Wedatalla complained to the schools administration which subsequently withdrew an offer of a contract for Prater Lpez to teach at the school the next semester. Moreover, one Hamline administrator declared that Praters actions were undeniably inconsiderate, disrespectful and Islamophobic. The Hamline Oracle, the schools newspaper, published and then removed an article defending Prater from its website because of the harm it caused to Muslims at Hamline.

Wedatallas complaint, so redolent of the accusations of witchcraft that cost numerous innocents their lives in Salem in the 1600s, initiated a process by which a well-respected professor was rendered a pariah. According to the legal brief filed on her behalf, faculty members in Hamlines art history department stopped reaching out to her and seemed to be avoiding her after administrators told them to stop talking about the controversy.

It took a while, but eventually, the pushback came in full force as numerous organizations including the Foundation for Individual Rights and Freedom (FIRE), the writers group, PEN America, and the American Association of University Professors (AAUP) excoriated Hamline administrators for their failure to protect the principles of academic freedom at the school. The mainstream press, even the New York Times, piled on as well. It helped that Lpez Prater was no counter-Islamist culture warrior, having established her obeisance to the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) regime governing higher education by offering numerous trigger warnings before showing the images to her students.

As it turns out, both Hussein and Wedatalla used Lpez Praters trigger warning as proof of her bad faith at a January 11 press conference arguing that by issuing the warning, Prater Lpez demonstrated that she knew she was doing something wrong. The fact that the students knew they were going to be shown the images, Hussein said, doesnt matter, because the reality is that the trigger warning is actually an indication that youre going to cause harm. True to form, Hussein obliquely invoked the threat of protests at the conference, stating displaying pictures of Muhammad its hateful to Muslims and incites a reaction.

Muslims all over the world will protest, he said. Another speaker at the press conference, local imam Jama Hassan, lent added force to Husseins warning of protests, declaring We will never accept [depictions of Muhammad] whether you call [it] academic freedom of speech, we will never accept that as a Muslim.

Two days after these histrionics, CAIR National declared we see no evidence that former Hamline University Adjunct Professor Erika Lpez Prater acted with Islamophobic intent or engaged in conduct that meets our definition of Islamophobia. Then on Jan. 17, Lpez Praters attorneys filed a lawsuit against the Hamline apparently prompting the school to declare that its usage of the usage of the term Islamophobic was flawed.

Neither CAIR Minnesota nor CAIR National responded to queries about the controversy at Hamline, but theres reason to conclude that at least a few people in CAIR, especially the folks at the organizations national headquarters, are taking to heart criticism leveled at their organization by former jihadist Ismail Royer. Over the years, Royer, who now works at the Religious Freedom Institute in Washington, D.C., has warned against the victim mentality promoted by groups like CAIR. CAIR officials in Washington, D.C. seemed to have gotten the memo, Hussein missed it.

It may be too much to ask, but maybe, just maybe, theres reason to hope that in the aftermath of the Hamline controversy, responsible Muslim leaders in the West and elsewhere will abandon the ongoing effort to portray Muslims in the 21st century as potential or real victims of what Jews endured in the 20th.
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Ya.. totally a legit grassroots movement with no outside influence at all I'm sure

But also, What the hell are they going to expect if the GQP win.. its not an unknown four years if they win, we 100% know what they will do if they win, they will dump even more money into Israel and probably straight out offer American troops to help, With Democrats U.S voters need to vote left.. and keep PUSHING left, keep screaming at them for change, keep voting in progressive candidates and primary out the corporate candidates, there is a better chance at meaningful change if you vote for a party that isn't sprinting at full speed to see if they can push the U.S into becoming a fascist Christian ethnostate like the GQP is
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The very first thing Trump did when he took office was try to ban Muslims.

Trump literally said he didn't just want to kill Muslim Terrorist he would to kill their families.

What Muslims could remotely want Trump over Biden

Trump will thank them by nuking most of the middle east into oblivion...saying they will let Trump win all but says they just want America to burn, and will increase the hatred for Muslims in the nation even more.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Like this:

I don't think I would have faulted Takei for specifically not voting for FDR. Not voting for e.g. Carter because FDR did that is a different story.

A_Good_Boy posted...
Push for better policies from Biden rather than discourage people from voting for him knowing the alternative is 100x worse anyways.

What power do they have to push for better policies from Biden if he gets their vote no matter what?
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Like this:

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Anteaterking posted...
What power do they have to push for better policies from Biden if he gets their vote no matter what?
They should be more concerned about what's going to happen to American Muslims if the GOP wins.
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The #AbandonBiden campaign is willing to take that risk, he said: We will risk an unknown four years of Trump.

Yeah, its not an unknown in the least.
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Trump will be more supportive of Israel and their war on Muslims, as well as his own personal war on Muslims in America. As bad as Biden is, and yes he sucks in this case the only other option will be far far worse.

There should be a third option but there isn't.

Abandon Biden and then find your situation much worse then it is now. That is a sad reality.
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It is not an unknown. We know what Trump will do.
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Ah, I see the Putin Brigade of sycophants and false flagging trolls is so desperately trying to save their masters favorite Annoying Orange. Orange boy would love to nuke Ukraine, the rest of Europe, the Middle East, and hurricanes if he gets his way.
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St0rmFury posted...
They are willing to risk it lol

They think maybe he won't? The guy who recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel? The guy who loves deporting people?
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shockthemonkey posted...
The idea that our only power politically is a presidential vote needs to change

It's not the only power, but I think on this particular issue it's their only resource available in the short term.

nocturnal_traveler posted...
They should be more concerned about what's going to happen to American Muslims if the GOP wins.

Maybe. Maybe Biden should be more concerned about what's going to happen to this country if he loses by taking a stronger pro-Israel stance than he "needs" to take.

I'm still voting for Biden (though it's basically worthless in my state), but at some point you have to understand that "My opponent is Trump so I get a blank check to do whatever I want" isn't the best way to motivate voters especially those that find themselves impacted by Biden's decisions.

At some point we need to accept that there are lots of voters who aren't making their voting decisions purely rationally. People vote for and against candidates for far stupider reasons than this. If margins are so thin that Biden can't lose these votes...then he should do something about it.
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Humble_Novice posted...
I'm not sure if it's the same person, but here's something I found regarding Jaylani Hussein: https://islamism.news/opinion_and_interview/opinion/cair-leader-in-minnesota-stomps-on-a-landmine-at-hamline-university/
This is some horseshoe theory bullshit, at least read your own article dude.
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Here's something I found regarding Hassan Shibly, one of the other leaders of the movement: https://www.wmfe.org/2021-02-05/cair-floridas-executive-director-resigns-after-wife-sues-for-domestic-violence-injunction

The head of a prominent Muslim civil rights advocacy organization has resigned after allegations of domestic violence surfaced.

Hassan Shibly resigned January 12th as executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations - Florida. According to a statement from CAIRs board of directors, Shibly resigned to focus on his family.

"For the last several months as Shibly's tenth year of service with CAIR-FL was approaching, he and the board have been involved in succession planning to welcome fresh energy into the organization," the board wrote. "The search for his successor has been underway, and we have several highly qualified candidates we are now vetting."

But the resignation came after Shiblys wife publicly accused him of domestic violence. Imane Sadrati posted a GoFundMe video in late December.

For years I have been in an abusive relationship and the situation at home has become unbearable, Sadrati said in the video. Sadrati has raised more than $28,000 on GoFundMe.

Sadrati asked the court for a domestic violence injunction December 28. On January 8th, Sibli sued for divorce in Duval County, and on January 13th, Sadrati sued for divorce in Hillsborough county. A hearing has not been set in those cases.

Sadrati's attorney declined interview requests.

Shibly has denied the accusations on Facebook,. both after they were made and in a post announcing his resignation from CAIR-Florida.

"I am grateful that in the past week two independent third-party assessments have found the smear campaign I have faced to be false," Shibly wrote on Facebook. "However, I do need time and freedom to stand up for the interests of my children and family without having to consider the needs of such an important organization or worry about my personal situation being used as a distraction for the important work of the organization or vice versa."

The NY Post recently released an article about him: https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/news/faces-of-muslim-abandon-biden-movement-accused-of-wife-beating-hamas-links/
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
They should be more concerned about what's going to happen to American Muslims if the GOP wins.

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