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Not a bad thing in itself, it just means that every 2D Zelda game after it greatly improved upon it. They just did a lot cooler stuff.

Oracle of Seasons > Oracle of Ages > Link's Awakening > Minish Cap > A Link to the Past

I guess I'll try ALBW after finishing this playthough of ALTTP (already in ice palace)
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Accolon posted...
Literally suck my butt.
This is the only correct response
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I didn't bother finishing minish cap tbh
wait now we cant say that other 2D Zeldas were better?
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BlackOmnimon posted...
wait now we cant say that other 2D Zeldas were better?

aged impressively badly and other 2D Zeldas were better are wildly different statements, especially in tone. You know what you did.
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BlackOmnimon posted...
wait now we cant say that other 2D Zeldas were better?
I mean just look at this.
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Zonbei posted...
. You know what you did.

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Zonbei posted...
aged impressively badly and other 2D Zeldas were better are wildly different statements, especially in tone. You know what you did.

I would have made the title longer "...compared to other 2D Zeldas" but SBAllen never got around to adding that feature
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i grew up with the 3d zelda games and while lttp is not my favorite by any means, it doesn't feel "aged" (i hate that term) at all and I had a very good time playing it through for the first time as an adult
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Alttp is awesome and will always be.
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The only way I can play LTTP now is LTTP Randomizer with a better Link sprite. The vanilla Link sprite suuuuuuucks. (and the Randomizer makes LTTP so much more fun)
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LTTP is the most overrated Zelda game besides TOTK, but saying its aged is ridiculous. It doesn't really have any jank in it.
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YellowSUV posted...
LTTP is the most overrated Zelda game besides TOTK, but saying its aged is ridiculous. It doesn't really have any jank in it.

It kinda does. The movement feels floaty, the menu feels "aged", dugeon map screen is not very navigable, and the dungeon design itself feels very unstructured with rather bland puzzles (I forgive bc its the first time Nintendo did dungeons in a now recognizable form)
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What an incredibly stupid thing to say about the greatest game of all time
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I find it really hard to believe you think Minish Cap is better in good faith. I mean maybe you do, but that's quite the take.
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ssjevot posted...
I find it really hard to believe you think Minish Cap is better in good faith. I mean maybe you do, but that's quite the take.

to be fair i haven't played it in decades but i have fond memories of storming Dark Hyrule Castle
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Accolon posted...
Literally suck my butt.
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Accolon posted...
Literally suck my butt.

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The only "aged" part of lttp is no diagonal movement. Everything else about it is still top tier.
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I need to try that game again. I remember I played it for a bit like a decade ago now probably but I got to a boss in one of the dungeons (I wanna say it was Moth-something?) that made me rage quit hard and I never revisited it lmao.

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I do actually like Minish Cap more, but I can't say it's the better game.
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rexcrk posted...
I need to try that game again. I remember I played it for a bit like a decade ago now probably but I got to a boss in one of the dungeons (I wanna say it was Moth-something?) that made me rage quit hard and I never revisited it lmao.
Mothula yeah, kinda nasty boss if just for the room you fight it in.
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I actually agree with that ranking for the most part. Swap Links Awakening to the bottom though, so

Oracle of Seasons/Ages > most of the 3D Zeldas > Minish Cap > Link to the Past > Links Awakening

ssjevot posted...
I find it really hard to believe you think Minish Cap is better in good faith. I mean maybe you do, but that's quite the take

Capcom knows how to make a Zelda game. Well, knew I guess. No idea how it'd pan out today
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DeathVelvien posted...
Mothula yeah, kinda nasty boss if just for the room you fight it in.
I always skip that dungeon and knock out the fourth as that unlocks a lot of items then head back.
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There's a reason ALttP randomizers are so popular, and MUCH more popular than any other 2D Zelda randomizer. The game is so solidly built that the simple act of a randomizer makes it feel fresh and fun, no matter how many times you've beaten it.
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StealThisSheen posted...
There's a reason ALttP randomizers are so popular, and MUCH more popular than any other 2D Zelda randomizer. The game is so solidly built that the simple act of a randomizer makes it feel fresh and fun, no matter how many times you've beaten it.
Probably because alttp is the 2nd most popular/well liked/best selling 2D Zelda (edited, somehow missed links awakening dwarfing it lmao. I think that includes the remake though?)

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It doesn't really speak to the quality of the games, or how they're built inherently. The oracle games have very well designed randomizers, with one (seasons) getting multiworld support
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Gwynevere posted...
It doesn't really speak to the quality of the games, or how they're built inherently.

I think it does, because, when it comes to randomizers, they're all equally obtainable, yet a vast majority of people choose ALttP, when they could choose any of them just as easily. I feel like that says SOMETHING, atleast. Whether that's "People enjoy playing ALttP," or "People enjoy watching ALttP," whatever... It seems people favor ALttP, for one reason or another, that has nothing to do with sales or any other verifiable metric that specifically ISN'T quality.
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Why are people always so extreme about A Link to the Past? They either use it to shit on all later Zelda games or use all later Zelda games to shit on it. Why can't it just be a good Zelda game in its own right?
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Still an amazing game. Havent done randomizers but I heard they rock.
Yeah Link to the Past is overrated. Most 2D Zeldas after it are just better
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StealThisSheen posted...
I think it does, because, when it comes to randomizers, they're all equally obtainable, yet a vast majority of people choose ALttP, when they could choose any of them just as easily. I feel like that says SOMETHING, atleast. Whether that's "People enjoy playing ALttP," or "People enjoy watching ALttP," whatever... It seems people favor ALttP, for one reason or another, that has nothing to do with sales or any other verifiable metric that specifically ISN'T quality.
I mean I'd just chalk it up to LttP being the most popular, so it's what people know, so it's what people want to randomize/develop randomizers for. There's also a huge overlap between randomizer communities and speedrunning communities, and LttP is a popular speed game.

It's the same deal with Super Metroid. Super and Prime sit at the top of the Metroid totem pole in terms of popularity, and they also have the most extensive randomizer communities. But I wouldn't use that as evidence to say that Super and Prime are technically superior to Dread and Prime 2.

The games people played the most will always get the most attention. It's not any deeper than that
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I love alttp, but I never got to play any 2d zeldas after to judge if they were better.
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Gwynevere posted...
I mean I'd just chalk it up to LttP being the most popular, so it's what people know, so it's what people want to randomize/develop randomizers for. There's also a huge overlap between randomizer communities and speedrunning communities, and LttP is a popular speed game.

It's the same deal with Super Metroid. Super and Prime sit at the top of the Metroid totem pole in terms of popularity, and they also have the most extensive randomizer communities. But I wouldn't use that as evidence to say that Super and Prime are technically superior to Dread and Prime 2.

The games people played the most will always get the most attention. It's not any deeper than that

...You think there's a reason why they're the most popular, maybe?

Nobody is arguing they're literally "technically superior," you appear to be the one who brought that argument up. People are just refuting TC, who is trying to argue ALttP "aged poorly," for example.
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StealThisSheen posted...
Nobody is arguing they're literally "technically superior," you appear to be the one who brought that argument up.

StealThisSheen posted...
The game is so solidly built that the simple act of a randomizer makes it feel fresh and fun, no matter how many times you've beaten it.
Maybe I just misunderstood this then? To me that's saying there's an inherent higher quality to LttP, which draws more people to want to randomize it. Like the other 2D Zelda games aren't built as well, which just...isnt inherently true. Rather than the fact that LttP just sold more, so more people played it
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The only "aged" part of lttp is no diagonal movement. Everything else about it is still top tier.
I watched a let's play of this game once, I think it has diagonal movement.
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You could make a case for LA, OoA, OoS, and maybe even ALBW, but no other 2D Zelda games come close to ALttP.
Gwynevere posted...
Maybe I just misunderstood this then? To me that's saying there's an inherent higher quality to LttP, which draws more people to want to randomize it. Like the other 2D Zelda games aren't built as well, which just...isnt inherently true. Rather than the fact that LttP just sold more, so more people played it

I'm not saying there's an inherent higher quality, just that LttP obviously has a consistent "good" quality, and that's why so many people love it, even countless years later. I was trying to refute TC, who is attempting to say LttP "aged poorly." I wasn't trying to insult other 2D Zeldas. I apologize if that was unclear. I may have worded it wrong, that's on me.
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Gameplay wise I find LA, its sequel, a lot better.
It's fun for a first playthrough, but replays show the seams. There's 3 or 4 parts of the game where the pace just hits a brick wall. LoZ and LA don't have that problem, IMO. Especially towards the start, both games just put you in the action and keep on giving.

I like the Capcom games, but I'd put them even-ish with LttP. Same issue, bumps in pacing. They have a different feel, so it's reasonable to put them on the top or bottom depending on preference.

There's a reason LttP mods that cut out all the story are so popular >_>
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BlackOmnimon posted...
It kinda does. The movement feels floaty, the menu feels "aged", dugeon map screen is not very navigable, and the dungeon design itself feels very unstructured with rather bland puzzles (I forgive bc its the first time Nintendo did dungeons in a now recognizable form)

I prefer the "floatier" feeling/movement. The other 2D Zeldas definitely have a weightier feel I guess you could say, and I'm not as fond of it. The menu sucks for all 2D Zeldas in my opinion. The randomizer gives you item quick swap and also makes the menu open and close faster, which helps a ton. I think the dungeon map screen is fine.

I'll give you the dungeons though, but the thing is they're still pretty good. It's just that they obviously got way better and more creative later on in the series.

LttP > Oracle of Ages > Seasons > Link's Awakening > ALBW > Minish Cap for me.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...
There's a reason LttP mods that cut out all the story are so popular >_>

...How much story do you think is actually in LttP? The mods cut it out for convenience/speedrun sake, not because it's particularly prevalent and bad.
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I loved LttP until you got the mirror. It got really boring from there especially when people told me that was the best part of the game
StealThisSheen posted...
I'm not saying there's an inherent higher quality, just that LttP obviously has a consistent "good" quality, and that's why so many people love it, even countless years later. I was trying to refute TC, who is attempting to say LttP "aged poorly." I wasn't trying to insult other 2D Zeldas. I apologize if that was unclear. I may have worded it wrong, that's on me.
Oh you're all good, I get what you're saying now, and I agree. Zelda 3 is still hella popular today because it's good. I may like most of the other 2D games more, but none of them are any less than 8/10 games imo
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spriga posted...
I watched a let's play of this game once, I think it has diagonal movement.
You can walk diagonally but link only faces/can swing sword in 4 directions.
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???? A Link to the Past is a fun game...

Aging badly isn't what you think it is. I feel like you don't know what you're saying O.o Its like using a word you just learned and trying to fit it into your every day life.

The controls are smooth and the graphics are solid. The puzzles are still fun and complex and there's a huge world to explore with lots of secrets.

Games that aged badly would be Tomb Raider or the original Resident Evil. Great games for its time but hard to play now.
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