Politically speaking. Are Yakuza games left or right wing?

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Kiryu's probably leftish or gets there by the end. most other characters are probably rightish/full on right
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I've only played 0, but I'd say based on that and stuff I have heard about the other games, Kiryu is very progressive
on one hand, the main characters seem to either be progressive or have a "live and let be" kind of philosophy, as long as it's not hurting anyone.

on the other, Kiryu has some old school macho stuff going on, where he's not willing to hit women, even if they're trying to kill him.
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both sides frankly. one of the motifs that shows up over and over in the Yakuza games is that while we're all unique and different we can all relate to each other regardless of our differences through our experience of being. Its both sidsing if i ever seen it, literally tries to make criminals sympathetic figures
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I saw people insisting that Yakuza 7 was conservative because the political party is named liberal, yeah supporting illegal immigrants and sex workers is such a conservative view

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ironman2009 posted...
Kiryu's probably leftish or gets there by the end. most other characters are probably rightish/full on righ t

What?
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epik_fail1 posted...
I saw people insisting that Yakuza 7 was conservative because the political party is named liberal, yeah supporting illegal immigrants and sex workers is such a conservative view

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uhhhh did you play the game?
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ironman2009 posted...
uhhhh did you play the game?

Yes. Ichiban supported sex workers and illegal immigrants.

What makes you believe this is a conservative view?
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epik_fail1 posted...
Yes. Ichiban supported sex workers and illegal immigrants.

the party you are talking about did not.
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i wouldnt really classify yakuza like this and i don't really think its helpful or useful to do so
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epik_fail1 posted...
What?

most antagonists in the game are center or right. most protags are center or slightly left. the only true lefty would probably be ichiban.
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epik_fail1 posted...
I saw people insisting that Yakuza 7 was conservative because the political party is named liberal, yeah supporting illegal immigrants and sex workers is such a conservative view

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You know, i saw someone try to make that point then laughed as it shows that they know nothing about politics outside their country, The actual Liberal Democratic Party of Japan is a conservative right wing nationalist party, Though to be fair.. its actual Proper right wing conservative views.. Not the American ULTRA FAR RIGHT that the U.S Republicans have devolved into

Also yes, All the protagonists would be left wing
ironman2009 posted...
the party you are talking about did not.

They're saying people were calling Ichiban conservative because he's against the "liberal" political party.
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StealThisSheen posted...
They're saying people were calling Ichiban conservative because he's against the "liberal" political party.

oh i see.
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Does Kiryu ever learn that he is not indebted to shambling institutions? I was really annoyed by the premise of Kiwami 2 and never finished it
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Doe posted...
Does Kiryu ever learn that he is not indebted to shambling institutions? I was really annoyed by the premise of Kiwami 2 and never finished it

not really. he learns some other lessons though, while being shot or stabbed or otherwise maimed multiple times.
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The Yakuza are linked with some shadowy ultranationalists groups though, driving around loudspeaker vans broadcasting anti-immigrant shit.
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Raiden2909 posted...
You know, i saw someone try to make that point then laughed as it shows that they know nothing about politics outside their country, The actual Liberal Democratic Party of Japan is a conservative right wing nationalist party, Though to be fair.. its actual Proper right wing conservative views.. Not the American ULTRA FAR RIGHT that the U.S Republicans have devolved into

Also yes, All the protagonists would be left wing

This is basically correct. I would just add that the LDP is more like a mix of center to far right. It's a really big tent party, but that tent is for the benefit of the right and the end result is that the least popular faction (the far right) gets disproportionate power.
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Ichiban is left wing as hell.
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Fenriswolf posted...
The Yakuza are linked with some shadowy ultranationalists groups though, driving around loudspeaker vans broadcasting anti-immigrant shit.

That's in real life. This is talking about the video game series.
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looks like we'll have to consult The Chart
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FL81 posted...
looks like we'll have to consult The Chart
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ironman2009 posted...
the party you are talking about did not.

And they are the villains....
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This is actually a tricky discussion. From moment to moment, going through the motivations of the protagonist, one would think it's pretty politically left. Personal freedoms, living true to oneself, helping the weak or minorities, not bowing to authority.

That said, the series as a whole does have a few right-wing elements. The most clear one is that Kiryu continues to believe in the yakuza as a system, which is very authoritarian. Furthermore, plenty of times in the series the police or government will be established as a good system in a modern society for maintaining order. Also some games have a scary amount of anti-foreigner themes baked into their plots.

Really it's a case of who's holding the pen at any given moment, but it does trend left.
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FL81 posted...
looks like we'll have to consult The Chart
Lol is that FFVII Remake on the Left Wing side and original PS1 FFVII on the Right Wing side?
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pkmnlord posted...
Lol is that FFVII Remake on the Left Wing side and original PS1 FFVII on the Right Wing side?
I suppose in fairness, Remake does have an obviously queer man say trans rights whereas the original one has Cloud get molested by gay men.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I suppose in fairness, Remake does have an obviously queer man say trans rights whereas the original one has Cloud get molested by gay men.

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CyricZ posted...
This is actually a tricky discussion. From moment to moment, going through the motivations of the protagonist, one would think it's pretty politically left. Personal freedoms, living true to oneself, helping the weak or minorities, not bowing to authority.

That said, the series as a whole does have a few right-wing elements. The most clear one is that Kiryu continues to believe in the yakuza as a system, which is very authoritarian. Furthermore, plenty of times in the series the police or government will be established as a good system in a modern society for maintaining order. Also some games have a scary amount of anti-foreigner themes baked into their plots.

Really it's a case of who's holding the pen at any given moment, but it does trend left.
I think it just trends in a moderate way. There are things that are left, and things that are right for the entire series, more like how reality is in general. I like it. It makes the world they've built far more believable.
Yakuza is the kind of game where a substory would be about a Trump supporter and the message would be to humanize him and make him a sympathetic figure. Both sides
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David1988 posted...
Yakuza is the kind of game where a substory would be about a Trump supporter and the message would be to humanize him and make him a sympathetic figure. Both sides
Beating up a right winger is absolutely not both sides.
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pazzy posted...
I think it just trends in a moderate way. There are things that are left, and things that are right for the entire series, more like how reality is in general. I like it. It makes the world they've built far more believable.
Trust me on this one given my knowledge of the series. More often than not, the politics are left-leaning, particularly in the context of being set in Japan, a relatively socially conservative country compared to the US.

Also this is getting nitpicky, but "trending moderate" doesn't really make sense to me.

David1988 posted...
Yakuza is the kind of game where a substory would be about a Trump supporter and the message would be to humanize him and make him a sympathetic figure. Both sides
Understanding your antagonist is still human is not "both sides".
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CyricZ posted...
Trust me on this one given my knowledge of the series. More often than not, the politics are left-leaning, particularly in the context of being set in Japan, a relatively socially conservative country compared to the US.

Also this is getting nitpicky, but "trending moderate" doesn't really make sense to me.
Oh, I get that. I do remember some parts particularly sticking out for Kiryu in some of the quests.

"trending moderate" would mean it drifts away from a conservative stance but hasn't become completely progressive, or trends less progressive over time.

epik_fail1 posted...
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I'm not speaking literally, but it does happen. Spoilers, I guess. At 11:45 since the timestamp doesn't want to work.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I'm not speaking literally, but it does happen. Spoilers, I guess. At 11:45 since the timestamp doesn't want to work.
https://youtu.be/l_jYnCzOuBE?si=-VaS4KzI8mbetp0o&t=705

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