$5k a month to NOT work, or $50K a month to work 12 hour days

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Dark_Koopatrol posted...
Option 1 Voters:
* Mostly aged 35 and above
* Single
* Holds a demanding job
* Current monthly income is below $5,000
* Resides in a low-cost area

Option 2 Voters:
* Mainly under 40 years old
* Married
* Has or wants children
* Lives in a high-cost area
* Ambitious and driven
* Envisions achieving significant financial freedom to support their family

looking at it this way I'm considering changing my answer to 2...but god, 12 hours a day means so much less time with my wife and daughter. Sure it'd be temporary but the kid's only 8 months old, I'd miss out on all the fun early development shit.
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Do taxes and insurance premiums and all that stuff that comes out before you get your paycheck still need to come out of that 5K? Because that would be less than I make now and make that a no go. I wouldnt do the other option either.
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bigblu89 posted...
What are your current expenses though?

I have about $800 left after all expenses, not counting food.
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bigblu89 posted...
All money is after taxes.
The money, no job.

what is that like the equivalent of a $90k salary?

my wife would work, and we would save $2000/month on daycare, and I would get to have a life outside work
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After taxes I was taking home 4k and some change at my last job. Which was 12.25 hours a day. I wasn't living a lavish lifestyle by any means. I'll take the 50k provided it's normal work hours cause I was doing 72 hours a week to earn that.

Plus I get depresses if I feel I'm being ueseless
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bigblu89 posted...
I want to know where everyone (presumably we're all 50 years or younger) are going to retire on $60k a year, knowing how volatile everything is re: inflation.
I live in California, so I'd retire here. $5,000 a month, untaxed, is roughly the same as having an $84,000 annual salary, before taxes. That's quite a bit of money. And I can throw what I don't spend into a savings account

The $50,000 a month is huge, but I wouldn't want to work a 60 hour week, every week. That's brutal.
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Either option would result in me giving up my current lifestyle, but with Option 1, I could have a very comfortable life in Vietnam or another low cost of living country. I wouldn't really be able to come back to the US with a high standard of living, but it still might be worth it.
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Jabraham posted...
Either option would result in me giving up my current lifestyle, but with Option 1, I could have a very comfortable life in Vietnam or another low cost of living country. I wouldn't really be able to come back to the US with a high standard of living, but it still might be worth it.

If you want to move to Vietnam you may want to look into the visa situation. If you dont have a legit job here, arent investing heavily into a business here and arent married to a local, you have to leave the country every 90 days and apply for a new visa.
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Option 1 easily.

There's some jobs where I would have taken option 2 easily, but a boring and repetitive desk job is definitely not one of those jobs.
$5k a month is exactly what I make now and the first 4 months of this year were the most miserable soul-sucking experience I have ever had because I was working 60 hours a week

Option 1, option 2 was not even fucking considered
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5k a month is about what I make now. I will absolutely take the ability to enjoy my life and do the things I want to do.
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assuming it's 5K tax free, easily that. I clear about 4K a month right now so that would be a bonus
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PraetorXyn posted...
Do taxes and insurance premiums and all that stuff that comes out before you get your paycheck still need to come out of that 5K? Because that would be less than I make now and make that a no go. I wouldnt do the other option either.
Its after taxes, but since you have no job, theres no I get health insurance through my employer option.
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bigblu89 posted...
Its after taxes, but since you have no job, theres no I get health insurance through my employer option.
What about I get health insurance through my wifes employer

thats fair game according to the rules of this topic right
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bigblu89 posted...
even a part time one or one that can be seen as a "hobby" (like selling stuff on eBay). the money stops.
In this scenario, would releasing games for free on itch.io count?

Because any free game can be paid for, but it's 100% optional if the person downloading would like to give money to the person who created it or just download it for free instead (like pay what you want, minimum of 0 dollars thing)
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60k after taxes isn't bad honestly. Though 600k a year after taxes is a fuck load too.
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TheGoldenEel posted...
What about I get health insurance through my wifes employer

thats fair game according to the rules of this topic right

Sure.

I just think a lot of people that chose Option 1 and currently get their employer fail to realize how expensive health insurance is, and will continue to be as they get older and have to go to more specialists.
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BucketCat posted...
In this scenario, would releasing games for free on itch.io count?

Because any free game can be paid for, but it's 100% optional if the person downloading would like to give money to the person who created it or just download it for free instead (like pay what you want, minimum of 0 dollars thing)

I'll allow it.
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mystic_belmont posted...
I have about $800 left after all expenses, not counting food.

So lets be conservative and say you food budget is $150 for the month.

You now have $650.

That's about $160 a week for savings and dicking around.

And then you blow a tire, and there goes a whole week-plus of dick around money.

And the following week you need a new pair of sneakers, cutting that $160 in half.

Etc. Etc.

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Only 5 days a week? Hell yeah.
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I'm almost 48, no house. Give me option 2. I work till I'm 53, retire with 3 million.

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I can retire with $5k a month easily rent with all bills including phones, insurance is less than $2k for me
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5k is not a lot. Can I make money in other ways? Like pursuing a passion project like theatre, gaming, becoming an ig model.
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I traded my youth for even less when I was younger. I'm happy with my trade, but the $5k for nothing fits me better. I already have enough saved for retirement
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DrPrimemaster posted...
5k is not a lot. Can I make money in other ways? Like pursuing a passion project like theatre, gaming, becoming an ig model.
I think per the rules of the topic you could pursue a passion project; its when you try to monetize the passion project that the money stops

so for me Id take the money, be a stay at home dad with the family on my wifes insurance, meanwhile work on a video game and once Im ready to sell the game we could switch to that being a source of income instead of the $5k
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The only issue I have with the $5K a month to not work option is that I would want to continue streaming on Twitch, and while I'd be okay with not making money from that, the only way to ensure that would be to stop being an affiliate which also means I wouldn't have my emotes anymore, and I really like my emotes. Maybe if I could set it up so that the money was paid out to a charity or something, instead of to me.

Otherwise that $5k a month would be a great deal. A heck of a lot more than I'm currently making, to just be able to live my life on my terms.
5k a month, no job easily
Does the money adjust for inflation? And hpw strict is it? Like if I upload gameplay videos to youtube and I hit the threshold to make money but don't change my behavior at all does that count? Click button and make my 10$ a month passively. Does accepting a neighbors offer to mow their lawn one time for 20$ stop the money? What about if you inherit something that brings passive income without you doing anything? Does normal Ebay selling count like selling off some old trading cards you found in the attic or just doing so regularly or effectively as a job? I assume basic investing like buying and sitting on a fee stocks, 401K, buying a bit og gold and the like don't count but something like Day Trading would?

Regardless the no job money. Its more then I make now and I live fairly cheap
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Can I go halfsies? 25k a month for 6 hour days?
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I do option 2 now for less money.
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5k a month is more than twice what I make currently so let's go
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Does the money adjust for inflation? No. And how strict is it? Like if I upload gameplay videos to youtube and I hit the threshold to make money but don't change my behavior at all does that count? Yes. Click button and make my 10$ a month passively. Does accepting a neighbors offer to mow their lawn one time for 20$ stop the money? Yes. What about if you inherit something that brings passive income without you doing anything? Need an example. Does normal Ebay selling count like selling off some old trading cards you found in the attic or just doing so regularly or effectively as a job? Yes. I assume basic investing like buying and sitting on a fee stocks, 401K, buying a bit of gold and the like don't count but something like Day Trading would? Profit made from non-physical investments is ok. Including stock trading.

Regardless the no job money. Its more then I make now and I live fairly cheap

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Option 2 for sure. I already work 11 hour weekdays at my current desk job by choice. Another hour is nothing.
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I feel like a lot of people underestimated how little buying power $5k a month is going to get you 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Considering you would need about $8500 now to buy what you could have bought for $5000 in 2004.

With an average inflation rate of 3%, $5000 no will be worth about $3700 in buying power in 2034. $2800 in 2044.

Y'all gonna be broke AF.
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I've never made a consistent $5k/month. This is a ridiculously easy choice to me.
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bigblu89 posted...
I feel like a lot of people underestimated how little buying power $5k a month is going to get you 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Considering you would need about $8500 now to buy what you could have bought for $5000 in 2004.

With an average inflation rate of 3%, $5000 no will be worth about $3700 in buying power in 2034. $2800 in 2044.

Y'all gonna be broke AF.

No, you are just drastically underestimating how broke most of us already are.
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How many days per week do i have to work? 3 or 4 12 hour days would do it for me
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I currently live on , $1500 a month which is a lot less ti got in 2004
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bigblu89 posted...
I feel like a lot of people underestimated how little buying power $5k a month is going to get you 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Considering you would need about $8500 now to buy what you could have bought for $5000 in 2004.

With an average inflation rate of 3%, $5000 no will be worth about $3700 in buying power in 2034. $2800 in 2044.

Y'all gonna be broke AF.
No, I didn't. I am just under absolutely zero circumstances willing to work 60 hours a week for years with no break.
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leonkr41138 posted...
How many days per week do i have to work? 3 or 4 12 hour days would do it for me


but you have to work 12 hours a day. 5 days a week.

So you're basically working a 7-7 instead of a 9-5.

Everything else is the same as a "regular" full time job. Benefits, 401k, hour lunch break.

Lets go with 10 vacation days, 5 sick days, 2 floating holidays. 10 vacation days go to 15 if you decide to stay after year 5.
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I make less than 2 grand a month currently. An additional 3k AND not having to work is too good to pass up.
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50k a month seems like a pointless amount of money to have while 5k a month is more than most people will ever make

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bigblu89 posted...
I feel like a lot of people underestimated how little buying power $5k a month is going to get you 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Considering you would need about $8500 now to buy what you could have bought for $5000 in 2004.

With an average inflation rate of 3%, $5000 no will be worth about $3700 in buying power in 2034. $2800 in 2044.

Y'all gonna be broke AF.

$2800 a month is still more than double what I currently make.
rick_alverado posted...
$2800 a month is still more than double what I currently make.

But do you think your living situation, whatever it may be, will be the same? As far as expenses.

I feel like a lot of people that are saying $5k have jobs that pay their insurance, may live with their parents still and pay a reduced/no rent, and have no kids. They either don't own a car, or it's paid off, etc.
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