Why are so many "adult" animated shows ugly as fucking sin?

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Lot of it is creative choices and art design, others are a massive budget problem.
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Because it's more teenagers being obsessed with characters being horny. Adults are more about the writing.
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ellis123 posted...
Because it's more teenagers being obsessed with characters being horny. Adults are more about the writing.
Hard to believe when most adult cartoons feature such levels of gore, lewd or swearing that only a teenager would find funny
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Its also a problem that most adult animated shows are also comedys. Like you cant have any mature subject matter in animation anymore unless its not only goofy looking but comedic as well.
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xlr_big-coop posted...
Hard to believe when most adult cartoons feature such levels of gore, lewd or swearing that only a teenager would find funny
Shows that are "pushed as for adults but are actually just for teenagers" is a genre, yes. For instance, in this season of anime there is Re:Monster, which despite being marked as seinen literally has no plot beyond the MC eating random crap to get more utterly random powers like some sort of dragon with an "RPG power" hoard and the only reason it's seinen is because he keeps having sex with everyone. It's very much edgy teenager's view of what adulting is.
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I have to imagine it's cheaper, and the adults are more there for the jokes than the animation itself. Animation just gives a better way to tell jokes that can be hard in live-action.
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It's seinen because it's published in a seinen magazine tho. While you can usually get some kind of idea based on the target audience of the magazine It's published in what it would be like, it doesn't really hold all the time and there's plenty of series that are unlike a lot of the other stuff in the magazine all the time..
PiOverlord posted...
I have to imagine it's cheaper, and the adults are more there for the jokes than the animation itself. Animation just gives a better way to tell jokes that can be hard in live-action.

This.

Most adult animated shows tend to be comedies, and sitcom-ish in nature, where the characters don't actually move very much in any given scene. Thus, it's easier/cheaper to save money on animation, since the typical viewer isn't going to care.
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The only adult animation I can think of with actual good animation off the top of my head is Me!Me!Me!
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It's the Adult Swim style
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because they get churned out for cheap and the audience doesn't really care about bad visuals as much as you'd think
Have you seen Scavengers Reign? That's a recent cartoon for adults that has incredible animation. It's also a sci-fi drama, not a comedy. Shows like these do seem to be a rarity, though. Probably because cartoons are harder to market to adults, so they don't usually get the budgets they would need for higher quality animation.
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Lazy production.

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It's honestly not even "lazy" production as much as just being smart about where money is spent. If you spend less on animation, for example, you can afford to hire better/more known voice actors. And since most adult animated shows are comedies, the voice work matters a lot more.

And, like TheOnionKnight said, there are well animated adult animated shows out there. They're just more rare because the genre of show that would benefit from better animation is more rare in adult animated works.

Adult animated shows are a limited value commodity, so they typically can't afford to have a huge budget. Thus, they have to be smart about where they put said budget, and animation is one of the first things cut, since your average adult animated show doesn't need it.
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Because the most popular adult animated shows since the 2000s have almost universally been very cheaply animated stuff. Things like South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, Bojack Horseman etc. are what they are chasing for the demographic
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That part of the humor. It's the "ugly side of humanity."
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One thing I've noticed about modern animation is that it's overwhelmingly vector. Vector graphics can look good but they also have the problem of low effort stuff looking bleh instead of terrible, which means low effoet is "good enough" for the guy with the checkbook.
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CartmanMustDie posted...
That's completely different from the low effort adult swim stuff they're referring to that's filled with lowbrow fart and toilet humor and cartoon torture porn gore as a punchline. Sausage Party being one of the biggest exemplifiers.
In the context that we're talking about: no. The literal act of using different low-brow nonsense humor is the delimiting factor, not the actual dumb punchline. "It's funny because he wants to get drunk" is not actually different in any real respect to just flat out fart humor, both are childish humor with no actual thought put into the joke. Not exactly sure you even know what I'm talking about if you don't think Re:Monster doesn't have copious amounts of torture porn, though. Unless you're meaning that that's what's supposed to set it apart from what you're talking about, because I would disagree quite a bit there.

Quezovercoatl posted...
It's seinen because it's published in a seinen magazine tho. While you can usually get some kind of idea based on the target audience of the magazine It's published in what it would be like, it doesn't really hold all the time and there's plenty of series that are unlike a lot of the other stuff in the magazine all the time..
That's somewhat my point? It is put into a explicitly "this is for older guys" magazine despite being complete shlock seemingly only to push sales to edgy teens. Just because something is marketed as something for adults doesn't make it actually for them, and many things are just "for adults" because the author wants to be edgier than they are allowed at a lower rating. Inversely things that actually are for adults tend to be wildly different in every respect than what we're talking about. My point is largely that things for adults tends to focus far more on the writing than on the art (most of the time, there are definitely exceptions), and thus "for adult" shows will trend very much into the vein of being less visually busy.
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xlr_big-coop posted...
Hard to believe when most adult cartoons feature such levels of gore, lewd or swearing that only a teenager would find funny

Their target audience is college-aged folks, I believe. Many of whom do find that stuff to be hilarious.

Because the most popular adult animated shows since the 2000s have almost universally been very cheaply animated stuff. Things like South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, Bojack Horseman etc. are what they are chasing for the demographic

I wouldn't exactly call Family Guy cheaply animated. Also, this isn't anything new by a longshot. Before Family Guy, you had The Critic, and before The Critic, you had, of course, The Simpsons, which is basically the template from which most adult comedy derives.
The Simpsons was created by a guy who was originally a comic book/funnies artist. Many of the Funnies have always involved a lot of "ugly" or stylized art (e.g. Marmaduke, The Farside, Dilbert) On the high quality end, you had the likes of Calvin, The Peanuts, and Dennis The Menace.
ImAMarvel posted...
Counterpoint: this show was funny as fuck

It's success also eventually helped bring us shows like Bob's Burgers and Archer.
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
I wouldn't exactly call Family Guy cheaply animated.

https://sites.psu.edu/ayfunthingsarefun/2018/02/07/cutting-costs/

While the Family Guy episodes were insanely expensive per-episode, its costs were heavily tied up in the voice talent.
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Surprised no one mentioned the fact its way faster to animate. As the main reason.

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this is one of the reasons I like Archer. it has really good animation and artwork
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ellis123 posted...
Because it's more teenagers being obsessed with characters being horny. Adults are more about the writing.
Have you seen shows like Family Guy, American Dad and Dick and Morty?

Those shows are filled with horny jokes. I wouldn't call those shows quality writing.
CartmanMustDie posted...
You're completely off-base. The context is referring to you acting as if ugly adult animations have mature writing to compensate for the ugliness and pointing out how a good proportion of them don't, and they're the ones TC is likely referring to.
You're clearly just trying to showcase your usual insecure weeb signaling again. Bringing up random niche anime in topics unrelated to anime so you can go "see, I watch anime and I'm aware it's just as bad if not worse than cartoons!"
Yes, because weebs absolutely are the ones saying that anime is worse than western cartoons. Ignoring the fact that that was never the point of what I said, of course.

I'm definitely the one that's off base.

LightningThief posted...
Have you seen shows like Family Guy, American Dad and Dick and Morty?

Those shows are filled with horny jokes. I wouldn't call those shows quality writing.
Yes? Now extrapolate what I said and say the conclusion.
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ellis123 posted...
Shows that are "pushed as for adults but are actually just for teenagers" is a genre, yes.
What's ironic is that the current generation of thirty-somethings is actually going back to their childhoods on a trip down nostalgia lane while the stuff being marketed to them is being watched by their kids.
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electricbugs2 posted...
Yall need to check out Smiling Friends. Adult cartoon with some actual good animation.
Yeah seriously this thread is garbage and it seems like people are posting about adult animation like it's still 2007
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synth_real posted...
What's ironic is that the current generation of thirty-somethings is actually going back to their childhoods on a trip down nostalgia lane while the stuff being marketed to them is being watched by their kids.
Moving off of cartoons, the one that I think of in that line is the "classic rock" proliferation on the radio.

CartmanMustDie posted...
I said insecure weeb. Consume a lot of Japanese media but are insecure about it so you need others to know at every thread at how flawed you think it is and how you're not like other Japanese media consumers.

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Yes, and I was merely coming up with something off the top of my head. Hence why your entire line of reasoning was off-base in its entirely.
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CartmanMustDie posted...
You clearly came into this topic with a weird chip on your shoulder trying to make this a cartoon vs anime thing when it wasn't. You do this all the time. There are some other users who also do this but you're definitely #1 here.
Fine. Then lets do it with South Park. Hopefully that's not too Japanese for you.

As a show heavily based on fart joke tier humor it is completely a "show for younger people who want to feel like they are older" in every way that Re:Monster is. Just pretend that I didn't say the latter and said the former.
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CartmanMustDie posted...
You think you're clever huh?
No, just more so than someone who couldn't get that the act of bringing up something recent that came to mind wasn't some sort of "anti-anime weeb" psy-op, whatever the heck you meant with that nonsense, and was just the act of a benign + topical example.

And then made some sort of weird "you keep on bringing up anime!!!" lore about me. Being generous you merely have me confused for someone else, because that is a pretty wildly off base recollection of what I post.
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MarcyWarcy posted...
Because the most popular adult animated shows since the 2000s have almost universally been very cheaply animated stuff. Things like South Park, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, Bojack Horseman etc. are what they are chasing for the demographic
Tbh Rick and Morty is really well animated. The main characters are a design choice but there is some fantastic sci Fi animation in there as well

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the only particularly ugly ones off the top of my head are home movies and big mouth. what did u have in mind?
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I dont mind it for older adult cartoons like South Park, ATHF, Squidbillies, Home Movies, Beavis and Butthead, etc.

But in modern day animation I see it as cost cutting laziness and studios banking on the hope that since older adult cartoons could get away with bad animation that maybe their new ones will too
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